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thorlius 07-13-2012 02:51 PM

Tap Turn
 
Hi folks... I've searched around on these forums and haven't found anything, and so I figured I'd post. After test driving an FR-S last weekend and immediately signing papers to buy one, I came on here looking for solutions to two ridiculously minor gripes I had with it. I'll worry about the second gripe later on since it's even less of a thing than this one.

What I want: http://legacygt.com/forums/showthrea...light=tap+turn

I don't know really if there's an official name for that feature, but it's the thing where the signal light goes 3 times automatically when you tap the bar. The two cars I'm currently driving (trading one in, selling the other) both do this, and I'm so used to it that I'd pay a bit to get it back. I wouldn't mind forking out ~$100 for something like this, but figuring this out myself is way over my head.

Has anyone tried doing anything like this with their car?

tl;dr - I want to make my car signal light go 3 times automatically with a tap. Help!

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UPDATE (July 21).
http://www.autowindow.com/orderTAP.html $80 plus shipping.

Paragon 07-13-2012 05:51 PM

Definitely interested in this also, so used to it in my other cars

cobrabyte 07-13-2012 06:03 PM

Yeah, had this on my Ford Transit Connect. It doesn't seem like a big feature but, once you get used to it, it becomes second nature.

BMWDavid 07-13-2012 06:36 PM

Wished Subaru had included it on these cars. I have it on my GTI and as stated above...it becomes second nature to use it.

Now I'm making lane changes and such looking as if I'm a dufus with my signal...giving one blink at that.

thorlius 07-13-2012 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWDavid (Post 313982)
Wished Subaru had included it on these cars. I have it on my GTI and as stated above...it becomes second nature to use it.

Now I'm making lane changes and such looking as if I'm a dufus with my signal...giving one blink at that.

That's what kept happening when I test drove the thing. I felt like an idiot, making quarter-length signal ticks that other drivers probably couldn't even see. I couldn't get used to it. I mean, I'm sure I could after a bit, but it's so intuitive once you have it, I just want to add it back in.

Sounds like there is some interest here so I'll definitely keep on top of this and keep the thread updated.

Thefuzz 07-13-2012 08:35 PM

Ugh I miss that part of my GTI horribly!

thorlius 07-17-2012 04:59 PM

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If the BRZ / FRS uses the 8 pin denso style flasher module, add it to the list of cars that can use this new version of tap turn.
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The installation instructions are dead simple: find the ticking noise of your existing flasher, unplug it, plug this one in place of it.
Can anybody check this? If not, we'll wait til I get my FR-S, whenever that will be.

michaelahess 07-17-2012 05:03 PM

Three flashes? Wow, that's far too short in my opinion. I have the signal on until the lane change is done. You folks must be trusting of other drives, assuming they actually pay attention! :)

cobrabyte 07-17-2012 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by thorlius (Post 321068)
Can anybody check this? If not, we'll wait til I get my FR-S, whenever that will be.

It does appear to be an 8-pin flasher unit (D61 in the Electronics manual).

shiud 07-17-2012 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by michaelahess (Post 321072)
Three flashes? Wow, that's far too short in my opinion. I have the signal on until the lane change is done. You folks must be trusting of other drives, assuming they actually pay attention! :)

+1. I specifically remember getting docked points for disengaging my turn signal too early while changing lanes.

thorlius 07-17-2012 05:52 PM

With this guy's thing you can set 0 (off), 3, 4, or 5 flashes, and it'll have cancelling.

Personally, I find 3 flashes is the perfect length to pace your lane change to be smooth but not annoyingly slow.

I never trust anyone else or assume anyone else is paying attention on the road, but that's a whole different story. The only time this should be an issue is on a 3+ lane road.

FRSPirate 07-17-2012 08:15 PM

Yeah, i need this. Still stuck on how my S4 did it so it's just habit now and i only get half a blink if i don't remember to click it all the way.

thorlius 07-21-2012 02:23 PM

Update: Guy has confirmed it should work based on the electrical diagram cobrabyte posted above. He's also started selling it as of today.

http://www.autowindow.com/orderTAP.html

I'll edit the first post as well.

notFRS 07-22-2012 12:28 AM

Any info on the install? Is it just a new relay you remove the stock one and add in the modified one?

Sportsguy83 07-22-2012 03:13 AM

It seems he also sells other hardware to remotely lower the windows. A lot of people are interested in that too. Good find OP.

sterile stork 07-22-2012 11:46 AM

I have his Tap Turn I system, I used it in my STi, beautiful system and excellently put together. Nothing but positive remarks for his products.

thorlius 07-22-2012 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by notFRS (Post 330894)
Any info on the install? Is it just a new relay you remove the stock one and add in the modified one?

I ordered it, but don't have it yet. Or the car, either. :happy0180:

He confirmed it should work based on the electrical diagrams, and yeah, apparently you just find the source of the tick sound, and replace the stock Denso module with his.

BMWDavid 07-23-2012 08:35 AM

Just placed an order for one. It will be nice to have the three blink tap feature on my BRZ. Since my GTI came with it I've grown to appreciate this feature.

Can't tell you how many times I've done a half blink lane change with my BRZ the past few weeks.

KRAZYK 07-23-2012 09:09 AM

This should work for the FR-S also right?

DIE1000DEATHS 07-23-2012 11:42 AM

Never had this on a vehicle, but am definitely GOING TO!. As far as his window modules, they look to integrate to the German cars only. Otherwise he utilizes DEI (known for owning Viper, Python, etc...) 530T window automation modules. This would require a bit more work than most people are probably comfortable with... I have installed these on all my vehicles to remotely roll up or down the windows, as well as using Field Disturbance, or Mass Sensors, to be able to arm the car with the windows down and roll them up when someone gets too close.

Lee358 07-23-2012 12:12 PM

If it works on our cars i want!

thorlius 07-23-2012 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KRAZYK (Post 332827)
This should work for the FR-S also right?

It should - the part should be the same one as that used by Subaru. Looks like the two companies use the same Denso flasher on most if not all of their lineups.

cobrabyte 07-23-2012 09:52 PM

Ordered. Thanks again for the heads-up!

lordtakuban 07-24-2012 07:39 AM

Purchased as well. Thanks for the link.

Paragon 07-24-2012 08:47 AM

can someone post a DIY when you get this just to show how hard/easy the install is?

Kimsey47 07-24-2012 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by michaelahess (Post 321072)
Three flashes? Wow, that's far too short in my opinion. I have the signal on until the lane change is done. You folks must be trusting of other drives, assuming they actually pay attention! :)

:thanks:I agree... The signal needs to indicate WHAT you're going to do in advance... Not what you are DOING!

KRAZYK 07-24-2012 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kimsey47 (Post 334941)
:thanks:I agree... The signal needs to indicate WHAT you're going to do in advance... Not what you are DOING!


Says you can program it for more than 3 flashes if you want..

The 3 flash thing is just a common tap-flash configuration equiped in some cars and trucks. I had it in my last truck and loved it.. obviously there are times for it - and other times 3 isnt enough so you have to do it manually.

Dadhawk 07-24-2012 10:07 AM

Here's a thought I had. If other production vehicles have this, and its driven by the flasher, could you possible just purchase the flasher from one of those cars and plug it in, assuming it is plug compatible?

Kimsey47 07-24-2012 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KRAZYK (Post 334949)
Says you can program it for more than 3 flashes if you want..

The 3 flash thing is just a common tap-flash configuration equiped in some cars and trucks. I had it in my last truck and loved it.. obviously there are times for it - and other times 3 isnt enough so you have to do it manually.

I have an SUV that has it and have never found that 3 to be nearly enough so I still do it manually... Then again, I'm probably the only person on the road that actually uses my indicators religiously...

Dadhawk 07-24-2012 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimsey47 (Post 335183)
I have an SUV that has it and have never found that 3 to be nearly enough so I still do it manually... Then again, I'm probably the only person on the road that actually uses my indicators religiously...

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Originally Posted by KRAZYK (Post 335220)
Yeah I understand. I still find it usefull at times, but not all the time.. I guess this is good news for you anyway - you dont have the urge to spend $80 to add it on!

The one for sale above says you can adjust it up to 6. I did some unscientific polling on my commute this morning. 6 was more than adequate in any situation I saw.

F-Bomb 07-24-2012 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimsey47 (Post 335183)
I have an SUV that has it and have never found that 3 to be nearly enough so I still do it manually... Then again, I'm probably the only person on the road that actually uses my indicators religiously...

Nope you're not the only one. The truck I use for work has that feature and all it does is annoy me cuz I'm not a lazy tool who flicks my signal for a second and thinks that's good enough. The only time I ever tap my turn signal is if I'm about to turn and realize I'm turning at the next one or whatever.

thorlius 07-24-2012 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by F-Bomb (Post 335492)
Nope you're not the only one. The truck I use for work has that feature and all it does is annoy me cuz I'm not a lazy tool who flicks my signal for a second and thinks that's good enough. The only time I ever tap my turn signal is if I'm about to turn and realize I'm turning at the next one or whatever.

This thing actually allows you to cancel in these situations, too, by intuitively just tapping again. The other OEMs stock signals don't, as far as I'm aware.

BMWDavid 08-06-2012 09:37 PM

OK, just received my tap turn relay module. Now were the heck is the flasher relay on a BRZ?

cobrabyte 08-06-2012 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMWDavid (Post 363333)
OK, just received my tap turn relay module. Now were the heck is the flasher relay on a BRZ?

Fuse box? :shrug:

eriktherod 08-07-2012 12:09 AM

Will be checking this out! I do like the additional features of the hazard lights too!

Was raining down hard today, was wishing I had the F1 style rear-fog going! :D

sesmls 08-07-2012 12:49 AM

With your head under the steering wheel, the flasher sits just below the steering column, just to the left. It's an 8-pin Toyota-style flasher, and the wire harness faces the firewall.

I know this because I can no longer hear factory turn signals, so had to replace mine with a louder one...:)

BMWDavid 08-07-2012 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sesmls (Post 363661)
With your head under the steering wheel, the flasher sits just below the steering column, just to the left. It's an 8-pin Toyota-style flasher, and the wire harness faces the firewall.

I know this because I can no longer hear factory turn signals, so had to replace mine with a louder one...:)

So, can you get at it without removing any panels?

Paragon 08-07-2012 07:59 AM

A DIY and review of this would be great once someone installs it

sesmls 08-07-2012 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BMWDavid (Post 363956)
So, can you get at it without removing any panels?

Yes, it doesn't sit very high up or too forward, so it's easy to unplug it...it's visible and accessible from underneath without removing the plastic panel under the steering wheel. And BTW, I just left the original flasher in place after unplugging it, and used some 3m interior adhesive trim tape to secure the new flasher to a nearby flat surface. Probably if you remove the lower plastic panel you can get easy access to the screw/bracket that holds the flasher in place, but I decided it was easier to just leave the old one where it was -- one less thing to track down if I decide to reverse my installation in the future.

KRAZYK 08-07-2012 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sesmls (Post 364148)
Yes, it doesn't sit very high up or too forward, so it's easy to unplug it...it's visible and accessible from underneath without removing the plastic panel under the steering wheel. And BTW, I just left the original flasher in place after unplugging it, and used some 3m interior adhesive trim tape to secure the new flasher to a nearby flat surface. Probably if you remove the lower plastic panel you can get easy access to the screw/bracket that holds the flasher in place, but I decided it was easier to just leave the old one where it was -- one less thing to track down if I decide to reverse my installation in the future.


Sounds pretty much plug and play right?

Does this device also remotely control the windows or is this just for the tap turn feature?


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