2AR-FE
 

Can anybody point me in the right direction with my idea for a 2AR-FE DD?

Aside from more torque, what do you find more appealing about the 2AR?

Because OP wants a Camry in a 86 body.

So no Camry can never pull on a FT86 ever again. :popcorn:
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Cause the 2ar-fe is basically a 2jz with two less cylinders.

Ever seen Fredric Aasbo's 2AR from Papadakis Racing?

There are two engines worth swapping: 2JZ and LS?. Everything else is inferior and/or too expensive.

Can't blame a guy for wanting to be different.

Personally, I would do a rocket engine.

Those are some of the best engines but I'd like to have 800hp come from an 51lbs 4 cylinder (empty of course), and still have room under the hood for more.

You might have the 3S-GTE and the 2AR-FE confused ;)

Good luck spending 2 years of your life developing this.

http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticl...ta-Engine.aspx

That's the link my inspiration came from. Lol

Too be honest didn't know that engine existed, but it seems intereating and research worthy.

3S-GTE is known as the 4-cylinder 2JZ.

The 2AR is the first I4 I've actually liked, never took any other 4 cylinders into consideration, so I didnt do too much research into other 4 cylinders. Always liked the body of the MR2's, just haven't taken a look under the hood of one.

I've always loved the 4G63 and SR20 when it came to 4 bangers.

You want to daily drive your 2AR-FE based on a race engine built for drifting?

I strongly suggest you to look up what is done to that engine, and whether or not you have around $20-50k lying around to rebuild your engine when it goes bad.

-alex

Isn't like I'm getting upto 800 right off the back, I just wanna have a great weekend drift car that I can still drive to work on Monday.

so how much horsepower do you think you'll need to accomplish this?

About 500 just for fun, but now just thinking about keeping the the FA and going the Crawford Performance route.

What part of the engine? The head? Over 300lbs with fluids, and the fluids aren't THAT heavy. The turbo setup to hit 800lbs would add a significant amount of weight. Then you'd need a transmission that could handle the torque.

Have you even swapped before, bro?

2 Things.

1. Fuck Mike Kojimas well researched opinions.

2. If you think you need power to drift you are doing it wrong.

OK I'm done taking this conversation as a serious one.

Enjoy finding your "500hp just for fun" with your 2AR-FE or whatever else engine you want to dream of.

If 500hp is your goal and you're willing to swap in an engine, you start by looking at engines that are making as close to 500hp as possible to begin with. That way you have one task i.e. swapping the engine and not two i.e. build an engine and swapping it

The 3S is very similar in design to the 2J and they both featured work by Yamaha. They are also from the same time period.

Also, I have a Celica All-Trac with a 3S, a lot of people forgot about those cars...much better than MR2

On display in Japan right now:

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That 800HP engine is as stock as something that is not stock at all.

http://i.imgur.com/n1s4af0.png

Toyota and I have different views on what an engine bay should look like.

The 2AR is actually a really good engine. The guy who pioneered the 2GR swap kits for MR2s (Gouky) put one in his AW11 and is now putting one in a ZZW30.

They are a little on the heavy side at 320lbs with all accessories, but IIRC the FA20 is even heavier than that. With a balance shaft delete you are looking at close to 300, which is not bad.

They are underrated and make around 170whp stock, and if you switch the header out they get to nearly 200whp. They are extremely insensitive to oil temp and have the excellent 3 stage oil pump which avoids bypassing as much oil. Gouky said he ran his with the factory Rav4 oil to water heat exchanger and the engine was totally fine with the oil at 300F during thousands of miles of racing. You can stroke it with the 1AR crank to 2.7L with basically no weight penalty.

What I would do on the FRS is probably stroke it with the 1AR crank, drop some stiffer valve springs in so it can rev higher, then add forged pistons to increase the compression ratio. You would shed a little bit of weight, gain a huge amount of torque, and end up with probably around 260bhp, while keeping the car NA and very reliable. Of course, this would be quite expensive to do, but it would be fun.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7MErUOXQqM"]Fredric Asbo's Scion TC | Tech Tour with builder Stephan Papadakis - YouTube[/ame]

check that vid out.

I love the 2AR and Papadakis's TC2 is my favorite car in FD. I don't know about your target hp for daily driving but hey it's your car!

I have to agree on Alex on this -- It's hard to take things seriously when you are looking to make 500hp from anything less than an LS seem 'easy' and 'for fun'. Additionally -- Crawford Performance is the last place you want to go for reliable/cheap/big power.

Mustang seems more like the car for you

#1: i enjoy outside the box ideas and whatever you want to spend your time and money on is your business.

#2: that being said I can personally tell you that trying using the idea of Aasbo's engine is a bad one. I can personally tell you how many issues Steph and the crew had keeping that engine in one piece and how many times they had to swap it at an event. it's NOT a practical engine and there is a reason they ran it with the Tc and why they continue to run it today (because Toyota is providing support to the program = $$$$).

#3: 500hp is a huge engine build for a DD and is still a big number for any weekend drifter. there is a reason why the vast majority of weekend drifters just go the LS route. cheap and easy power and even they rarely get to 500hp.
I don't know what your experience level is as a drifter but unless it's well above amateur level, 500hp in an frs/brz is going to be a fun burnout/donut machine but getting it to drift is just going to be a handful.

I hope my post doesn't come off as too critical and again you are free to spend your time and money however you want but I encourage you to give it a 2nd thought coming from someone who has a pretty good handle on the drifting world.

cheers!

Sorry about reviving an old thread but I have grown an interest in this engine and I might have swapped it in my 86 instead of the 3UR if I heard about it before. Both engines have a lot if similarities, I see the 2AR as 1/2 of a 3UR if that makes sense. You can actually use the 2AR valve train in a 3UR.


Anyway it's "too late" to go back now but I'm planning to swap a 2AR in my 1977 Celica with a GT3076R for 300whp. And if or when it goes, I can just get another one from a junk yard for less than $1000. IMO this engine should have came in the twins from factory. Light, reliable, and a very good base to build on. If I ever get my hands on another 86/BRZ chassis I'll swap this in in a heart beat.