Toyota GT86 Nurburgring Lap Time
 

Time: 9:09 - Partially Damp Track

They reckon with BS Potenza S001 on a good day they would set a time of 8:50 :thumbup:

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10+ years old VW Lupo with 123hp has the same ring time at 9:09. Even at 8:50, it's still 22 second slower than an automatic Hyundai Genesis 3.8. Am I missing something? What's there to brag or be happy about?

I don't really care about bragging rights. I just want a car that is well balanced and makes me happy when I drive it. I've owned and driven all sorts of neat cars, so I don't feel like I have to prove anything to anybody.

That's exactly my point. As the ft86 is solely designed as a "feel good" car. Lap time is meaningless. Just don't understand what's the article or the OP trying to say the car did 9:09, and on a good day it could do 8:50.

Wet laps are so frustrating. They come up on top gear far too often as well.

Dude chill out, it's just a lap time not sure why so serious :iono: :happy0180:

Sad part is the 3.8Track GC had a overheating automatic that became less productive after halfway through the ring. The manual would've been a different story.

Ring suits power and there are relatively few slower curves.

Agreed. Any track that favors power the FRS/BRZ won't produce good times. I think at ViR it will also not produce the best results either as the slowest car in LL is a MX-5.

But I think for an average driver the 86 would be a great car to do a Ring lap in.

Light, planted and manageable power.

Have to say; on a tight, short circuit, I think the 86 would be pretty handy.

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This is like a disease on every sporty vehicle forum.

Cheers OP for sharing article.... I destroy that time on GT5 totally stock... Lol...

I've driven a Scirocco Cup on the Nurburgring. It was intense. It could be dry in one area, and slippery wet in another. The insurance deductable on the car was about $14k US, so you could imagine how I felt when sliding the car around turns in the wet.

what do you mean laptime is meaningless

this isn't a drag strip, this is the ring! 170 turns.

also the problem with lightweight cars is that it's harder to drive them at max speed on highspeed courses because it's just so damn scary to go into corners without much braking :/

video link?

Nope, nothing to brag about... and?

If I really do care about numbers, I would of chosen used M3, GC, WRX, EVO, Mustang, S2k, Supra, MR2, 350Z & all other number oriented cars.

The Ring is a power track. Wanna post a fast time bring your 427 Vette.

stock tires + damp and a laptime of 9.09 is just as expected, or maybe a couple small seconds slower. But I dont know how damp it was..
They reckon 8.50 with good tires. Just as predicted in my opinion.

I tought the 86 would be somewhere between 8.43-8.50 depending on tire compond. (down to 8.43 on Z1 star specs, and up to 8.50 on good high performance summer tires)
My estimates were based on GT5 times and looking at times from other cars.

Lets be real.
NSX 8:38
S2000 8.39

There was no chance of the 86 beating those cars. Or being very close.
8.43 or faster would not be achievable even if the 86 had very sticky road tires.
Cars like Civic Type R, and Mini Cooper S are around 8.50

There are several factors when it comes to Nordschleife laptimes. Not just weather, but there is also different drivers. Even good drivers can easily have 5 sec +/- compared to each other..

Hah, I voted >9:10 way back when since I didn't really care if it was fast.

BTW, here's the old prediction thread.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showpost.php?p=48722

But don't forget 86 won VLN race this yr both stock & lightly modded

They had a better race team. They didn't have close the fastest laps in either group. They just executed better over the course of 24hrs.

Yupp.. I remember that thread.. I voted 8.40-8.49 (with some of the best road tires). But I never tough the bone stock 86 with Primacy HP tires would do 8.49 or faster.
I have no idea what people were smoking when guessing 8.29 or faster... :bonk:

They were guessing 86 will get special made tires just like S2k

Maybe they were guesstimating with the real car having.. ...one those special PINK paints you know! ;)

( Pink, Pink 2)

Damn right! Pink paint gives you more POWER~~

That's why BRZ won the gymkhana event! They had a pink in their design lol

I think a lap time around Suzuka or Tsukuba would be more meaningful.

Not bad for a 200 hp car in a high speed track.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3PZE-L_jNQ"]Toyota GT 86 Nürburgring Nordschleife Onboard 2012 - YouTube[/ame]

regardless of the the lap time that video looked way quick enough for me.

Nice wobble at 6.30...:bow:

I had a long reply and realized I was getting too wordy. To put it simply:

This car is not holy or sacred, neither is the tire choice. The stock tires are perfect for what the car was sold as, but inappropriate for any sort of performance driving. Tires, in general, are the easiest and most important way to tune your car; even the most un-handy owner can swap on a set of track tires. So saying a car will do better with better tires in a performance environment is perfectly appropriate. It's not fanboy-ism, it's step #1.

Subtact the straigtaways and you have a car that beats many many others. Add the straightaways and you get beaten by high powered SUVs among others.

Also, drifting around corners doesnt necessarily get you the fastest lap times. It is fun as hell and it does allow you to approach corners a lot more agressively. I watched a bunch of Initial D anime last night so now I get the "drift".

I think to sum up this car, it allows you to have fun without fear of what happens when you reach the friction limit. Many other cars might have higher limits (tires can change that), but few cars are so predictable and stable beyond.

Nordschleife is irrelevant unless you set the car up specifically for that course. The claim to fame is that it's used for benchmark times on super cars with super power. I am sure the chassis itself could preform very well numbers wise with some modification to the friction devices at all 4 corners and more agressive springs/dampers. For the straightaway, either remove them or you need more power to compare times to the big boys.

My only concern with adding more power is that it has to be in a form that can be modulated similarly to stock to maintain the drift control. Makes me think more about adding in a S/C.

I destroy these times in gt5 and the times are pretty much spot on with other cars.. i think this car can do 8:40 bone stock if the driver has the guts to push it

Im guessing you meant 8:40?

Looks like ill have to blow the dust off my PS3 and logitech steering wheel today and see what I can do :burnrubber:

My personal record is 8:32.. stock car with oil change and that s it

Having read the article (thank you, German upbringing), the laptime is less interesting than the rest of the piece.

Essentially (for those who aren't German speaking), the piece talks about the different corners, the stability and the fun on the Nürburgring more than the laptime. The Laptime is disregarded as "Not representative, thanks to mixed conditions" and concluded with a tone along the lines of "Well, we don't care, let's go again"...


That's kinda what this car was built for. Anyone expecting a GT racer's speed should rather buy hot-hatch... :P

you got that backwards. Cars with more power are scarier to drive. Light weight cars are very easy, especially this car being so noob friendly.

Why the convertible??? I'd say a Gran Sport is fast on any track, not just the Ring. ;)