Keiichi Tsuchiya compares his AE86 to the GT86
 

Not sure if this has been posted yet.
Pretty good video that I hadn't seen before, of Keiichi Tsuchiya comparing his AE86 and the GT86.

Pretty fascinating to hear him talk about his philosophy on tuning his car, and how he turned a USD2,200 car into a USD40k+ one.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It5-mb32spo"]Drift King Keiichi Tsuchiya with his AE86 and a new GT86 [Introduction] - YouTube[/ame]

Whoa this is awesome! Will watch it right now buddy :)

I knew about this comparison that he did, but never found the video :wub:

Pretty much explains the whole rationale behind our cars - it definitely isn't about winning races...

Yeah....that's what people forget about. I just picked up a 2007 Honda Fit. 100hp....i bet the 86 will feel so fast in the summer when i bring it out haha. The funny thing is though....the Fit feels very quick and I have no problems overtaking and driving it in the city and highway.

Anyways, just watched the video! I loved it :)
Crazy to think his owned the car for over 30 years now. That's my dream with my 86 :)

Also, I must say...I love how he was rocking the Fujitsubo exhuast...though since he changes his exhaust every year I wonder what he has now in 2017.

Damn his hachi sounds so nice :drool:

Brings back memories of the 80's....Great video!
I had a '83 Corolla SR5 Liftback in the 80's. ;)

its so cleannnn

Love it, thanks for posting !

I Aug 85 I purchased a new 85 GTI. A friend had purchased anew 84 Corolla SR5 and then traded it for an 86 Corolla GTS. Silver and black with a trunk. I drove it a few times and almost lost it on Jarvis leaving Keg Mansion in the winter with a downshift. It didn't occur to me at the time that RWD made this car unique. However FWD was taking over the market slowly and surely. The 86, with its playfulness was like riding a little bronco. I knew I liked it better than my GTI but it also cost a bit more at the time.

Performance is period related. As a kid I loved bikes and cars that were peaky and needed rpm. Today people want to select "d" and have 400 horsepower at their disposal. I don't necessarily blame them. The fa20s numbers would be exotic 25 yrs ago. Imo by today's standards that inexplicable torque curve holds it back. 1200 bucks transforms it though.

I don't understand why people want that kind of power though. Maybe if you live in a area with no people and empty roads and 0 police presence.

Even on the Subaru forum I'm on...people complain that the STI is "only" 300hp.

In the populated areas, there is just way too many cars on the road all the time to ever be able to use that power.

It's also annoying when people have cars with 300hp+ and still manage to only reach 70km/h when merging on the highway when your supposed to be merging with the flow of traffic. (100km/h)

I think it just has to do with "look at me...I have more horsepower....I have money....I have a big house with 6 bedrooms but only me and my wife live in it"

I agree with you. Where I live u couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting a stop light and speeding on secondary roads will get u a ticket.

Yup. My last speeding ticket I was in my sti. Iwasn't even me trying to drive fast. I just needed to pass someone who wasnt letting me over on the freeway so I could exit and I ended up clocked at 85 just from a quick accel to get in front of them. That attitude is one of the main reasons I left the Subaru world. I loved the car but hated the people for the most part.

Over in this community there are always gonna be people complaining that the car is underpowered, but they usually don't stick around too long. I really enjoy this car with a full exhaust and tune for spirited driving. I do miss turbo and a bit more TQ sometimes when driving in the hills and dont feel like dropping gears to not lose speed but nowhere near enough to leave the twins

Where the part Tanigushi drive both and give a review on both cars?

I agree. Horsepower is the measuring stick for many with cars. If you want the best, you need the most.
Manufacturers know many buyers want a car that gets respect and admiration for having the most impressive performance numbers.
Lots of horsepower junkie car buyers! Being able to actually use that horsepower has nothing to do with it.:respekt:

I don't understand why it appears you aren't a fan of high horsepower when the guy in the video literally has a car with the same horsepower to weight ratio as a 300hp FR-S? Yes, that is a question I am asking.


When I am on the highway going the speed limit in the slow lane and I see someone trying to merge on the highway, I try to change lanes to the left for the guy or girl.

Drift King is 86 King

I still don't understand why people don't do this.
Worse yet are the people who try to overtake traffic in the far-right lane when there's an on-ramp with people attempting to merge as well.
I find it's usually a premium German sport sedan of some sort...

Tsuchiya is a great man.

http://oi66.tinypic.com/uvx43.jpg

That there is the product of some fine, objective scientific quantitative research.

of course this thread would get derailed into a horsepower conversation

It's like Saturday night while on the 401 I saw 3 European sedans trying to fight it out on the collector lanes pedal to the metal; a C300, a B7 A4 and a B5 A4. I was thinking to myself, so that's what people find fun to drive? :iono:

don't forget drag racing civic farters at 3am in the morning on some dark back road

This 100%. I have an STI and am more than content with the 300hp it has. I think people are just never satisfied. They're so fixated on the number "350" for the next STI, because that's what the Focus RS has. They seem to forget though, that even with a power, weight, and tire disadvantage, the performance specs between the two cars are still identical.

I can only give my car 100% throttle for ~5 seconds before I'm breaking the speed limit on 90% of the roads out here. The car has plenty of grunt to exploit gaps in traffic as well. The car feels great on track too. I have yet to find myself wanting more power on the street or track. There really isn't any need for more.

I'm not sure why so many people on the forums complain about the "lack of power" with the FRS (and WRX/STI). Over half the people that own them just slam them onto the ground to where they scrape on leaves. What good is an extra 150hp if the car can't even be driven at 40mph without blowing out the undercarriage as it is?

Because they don't actually own cars and adopt mediocre journalists opinions as their own.

I see that sort of thing and I'm just shaking my head.
Endangering other road users for a display of power that requires mashing down the right foot. Whoop-dee-doo.

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They can't drive, and more importantly, they don't want to learn. A STI is more car than 90% of the population can handle as it is stock. They can never have fun in low powered cars because they don't know how to drive well enough.

What's funny is, you see the same arguments in the sport bike world. If your liter bike isn't putting down 190-200 hp with a total mass of 420 lbs it's considered crap- even though you need to be Valentino Rossi to be able to come close to using it all. 75% of liter bike riders would be far better off on a 600.

And yes those are real numbers- plenty of bikes putting out twice the specific output of our FA20 motors out there with 200 hp per liter and more.

How often do you have to change oil on those things? 1,500 miles?

Yep. I actually had an 09 Ninja 250 for about 7 months before enlisting. After getting stationed in OK and getting stable, I bought a '12 ZX6. It was a lot of fun, but people asked when I was getting a liter bike. I told them never, because a 600 is more than enough and until I can ride this bike to the absolute limits to where I'm being held back, I have no reason to go up.

Even though I loved the ZX6, the 250 was the most fun. I could just beat the piss out of it everywhere, and it was SUPER light. Felt like a bicycle haha

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They want those horses


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8000 mile interval on a Honda Fireblade, 7500 on a Ducati Panigale, but many people will cut that in half.

Remember the oil also does double-duty on a bike, as it also bathes the transmission and the stator on most bikes.

Exactly. It's way more fun thrashing a 250 at 9/10ths than a liter bike or even a 600 at 8/10ths- you're slower, but getting everything out of the package.

Sound familiar?

Ah, I think I was remembering two stroke intervals on accident.

:cheers:

:burnrubber:

With those intervals I bet half of all liter bikes are still running their OE fill :P

Sounds about right!


https://rideapart.com/articles/11-re...nt-a-literbike

That is why I get a lot of fun out of the 86 just as it comes. When you ride bikes that will do sub 3 second 0-60 and a 1/4 mile in 10.6 at 134 mph, or tops out at 160+ like I do, you have to spend a hell of a lot of money on a car to get anywhere near that.

But a well driven 86 on a mountain twisty- that is just as much fun as a superbike, IMHO, and, importantly, at a much slower pace.

This was a sick video man I'm glad I have an 86!

I get the same feels changing from ae86 to new 86. Feels so much faster! But my itbs tells my ears that my ae86 is way faster :burnrubber: