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zizon93 01-08-2017 03:00 PM

2013 10 series vs 2015 frs
 
title pretty much says all.
im getting frs in march so thats like less than 60 days away from today.
so far i have looked everything and came up with these two.
both has around 30k mileage except 2015 is like 2k higher than 2013 10 series in price-wise. i love the color of 10 series. its like blue-ish silver and i just cannot take my eyes off of it. on the other hand, 2015 that im looking has halo color which i think is beautiful but the color itself is rather too common to be seen it on the road. and last but not least, is it safe for me to say they both look exactly the same when it comes to compare exterior of the car? i mean i thought 2015 would look slightly different than 2013 since it is the latest model than 2013 but they look the same to me. i don't know if 2015 is performancly better than 2013 ( which i think it is ) but yeah ... if there is any difference between 10 series and 2015 please tell me guys. i really need you guys to pick right one for me ... been wanting to get frs since 2014 and im only 2 months away to finally getting it. cannot be more happier than this. thank you guys in advanced.

Tcoat 01-08-2017 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by zizon93 (Post 2827600)
title pretty much says all.
im getting frs in march so thats like less than 60 days away from today.
so far i have looked everything and came up with these two.
both has around 30k mileage except 2015 is like 2k higher than 2013 10 series in price-wise. i love the color of 10 series. its like blue-ish silver and i just cannot take my eyes off of it. on the other hand, 2015 that im looking has halo color which i think is beautiful but the color itself is rather too common to be seen it on the road. and last but not least, is it safe for me to say they both look exactly the same when it comes to compare exterior of the car? i mean i thought 2015 would look slightly different than 2013 since it is the latest model than 2013 but they look the same to me. i don't know if 2015 is performancly better than 2013 ( which i think it is ) but yeah ... if there is any difference between 10 series and 2015 please tell me guys. i really need you guys to pick right one for me ... been wanting to get frs since 2014 and im only 2 months away to finally getting it. cannot be more happier. thank you guys in advanced.

Other than some minor cosmetic changes (antenna, knee pads, HU) they are the exactly the same car. No performance improvements in 2015. In reality the 10 Series has more doodads than the base 15 but other than that no difference.

zizon93 01-08-2017 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2827602)
Other than some minor cosmetic changes (antenna, knee pads, HU) they are the exactly the same car. No performance improvements in 2015. In reality the 10 Series has more doodads than the base 15 but other than that no difference.

Thank you so much for your reply. if you were in my shoes, would you choose 10 series over 2015 ? just curious.

Tcoat 01-08-2017 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by zizon93 (Post 2827605)
Thank you so much for your reply. if you were in my shoes, would you choose 10 series over 2015 ? just curious.

Well I am partial to orange so unless the 15 was a Lava I would probably get neither. The different years don't mean a lot if they have the same mileage and a 10 Series would be built after most of the 13 MY year teething problems were fixed so that would not factor in. I guess if there were no orange ones I personally would get the 10 since it is indeed a very cool colour and a bit different from the base models.

humfrz 01-08-2017 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by zizon93 (Post 2827605)
Thank you so much for your reply. if you were in my shoes, would you choose 10 series over 2015 ? just curious.

I don't think it makes a darn bit of difference ....... just pick one ..... :thumbsup:


humfrz

funwheeldrive 01-08-2017 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by zizon93 (Post 2827605)
Thank you so much for your reply. if you were in my shoes, would you choose 10 series over 2015 ? just curious.

I would personally pick the 10-series because I like the keyless ignition and upgraded headlights. Plus, it will probably be more desirable over time.

guybo 01-08-2017 03:33 PM

15's have a few updates over the 2013's. IIRC they fixed a problem with fuel injectors and a couple other things. Look around for 2013 problems.

IMHO you should forget cosmetics. If you pick by cosmetics you may pick a car that will have serious expensive problems. Take the cars to a qualified mechanic and have them read codes (even if the CEL is not on), check when codes were last cleared (like yesterday maybe?), check out the transmission and read tranny codes (auto), look over the body and look for hidden damage. You don't want a car that someone half assed fixed after an unreported accident.

It should cost about $100 for each car to have it looked over and that $200 will save you a lot of money in the end.

Pick the car that a mechanic says is in the best shape.

Tcoat 01-08-2017 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by guybo (Post 2827620)
15's have a few updates over the 2013's. IIRC they fixed a problem with fuel injectors and a couple other things. Look around for 2013 problems.

IMHO you should forget cosmetics. If you pick by cosmetics you may pick a car that will have serious expensive problems. Take the cars to a qualified mechanic and have them read codes (even if the CEL is not on), check when codes were last cleared (like yesterday maybe?), check out the transmission and read tranny codes (auto), look over the body and look for hidden damage. You don't want a car that someone half assed fixed after an unreported accident.

It should cost about $100 for each car to have it looked over and that $200 will save you a lot of money in the end.

Pick the car that a mechanic says is in the best shape.

The 13 issues were corrected early on and the 10s were a late release so I don't think that is a huge consideration.

ToySub1946 01-08-2017 04:01 PM

How can you compare two cars for sale now, when you intend to buy a car in March ? Those two cars for sale may be long gone by March.


I'd be considering the suspension of these cars. Originally the FRS had different springs, possibly shocks as well, than the BRZ. Those early FRS models would hang their tail out more easily than a BRZ...meaning oversteer. Buyers of FRS loved that.

For the 2015 model of FRS, things were changed in the suspension department, so that the FRS would handle more like the BRZ already did.

I own a 2015 FRS. Wish I had an earlier model, like a 2014 FRS. That would be one year after the bugs were ironed out of both FRS/BRZ, yet this year FRS would still have the original suspension pieces...thus hang it's tail out more than my 2015.

Additionally, for 2015 models of both cars, the upper shock towers were strengthened, but I would not care about that...most likely done for those who track the car.


Read within...Trial by racetrack...2015 FRS :

http://www.autoguide.com/manufacture...view-4046.html

Read within...Comparing apples and softer apples..2013 FRS:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review

Summerwolf 01-08-2017 04:04 PM

10 series has all the brz appointments... so yeah. 10 series by a mile.

chaoscentral 01-08-2017 04:07 PM

Between the two I would opt for the 10 series. I may be a little biased since I own one myself, but you get alot more than a base FRS. Dual zone climate control, Keyless access with push to start. HID headlamps with LED running lights with a motorized leveling feature. Frameless rear view mirror. It's essentially like a Limited BRZ just minus the leather and heated seats.

Chaetagnath 01-08-2017 06:20 PM

10 series. The dual climate A/C and push start, keyless ignition, plus superior headlights make it a better deal. The color is unique as well, and looks pretty good in person.

TofuJoe 01-08-2017 06:31 PM

And don't forget another important reason for the 10 series - the passenger side dashboard has a cool lighting effect when you start the car at night! :)

Tcoat 01-08-2017 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ToySub1946 (Post 2827641)
How can you compare two cars for sale now, when you intend to buy a car in March ? Those two cars for sale may be long gone by March.


I'd be considering the suspension of these cars. Originally the FRS had different springs, possibly shocks as well, than the BRZ. Those early FRS models would hang their tail out more easily than a BRZ...meaning oversteer. Buyers of FRS loved that.

For the 2015 model of FRS, things were changed in the suspension department, so that the FRS would handle more like the BRZ already did.

I own a 2015 FRS. Wish I had an earlier model, like a 2014 FRS. That would be one year after the bugs were ironed out of both FRS/BRZ, yet this year FRS would still have the original suspension pieces...thus hang it's tail out more than my 2015.

Additionally, for 2015 models of both cars, the upper shock towers were strengthened, but I would not care about that...most likely done for those who track the car.


Read within...Trial by racetrack...2015 FRS :

http://www.autoguide.com/manufacture...view-4046.html

Read within...Comparing apples and softer apples..2013 FRS:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review

The change in the suspension between the 14s and 15s is so slight it is hardly even noticeable. If you don't drive them back to back you would be hard pressed to be able to tell which is which.

FR-Sky 01-08-2017 09:47 PM

As a 10 series owner,,I welcome you

dnieves 01-08-2017 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by zizon93 (Post 2827605)
Thank you so much for your reply. if you were in my shoes, would you choose 10 series over 2015 ? just curious.



If you plan to sell the car you'll be able to get more from a 2015 than a 2013.


If wear and tear are the same on both cars, you plan to keep the car for a few years, and drive with a passenger then I would go 10Series for the color, smart key, frameless mirror, HIDs, and dual climate AC. In '13 was originally going for a white BRZ (loved the color but not the front bumper skin) then saw the 10Series and that did it for me.


As perfect as the pearlescent white paint is on the twins the silver ignition is very unique and cool (unless you don't like silver... or light gray... or light blue).

86Boyz 01-09-2017 01:31 PM

just buy a brz

NyC Zn6 01-09-2017 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FR-Sky (Post 2827843)
As a 10 series owner,,I welcome you

We both welcome OP:cheers:

Tcoat 01-09-2017 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FR-Sky (Post 2827843)
As a 10 series owner,,I welcome you

Quote:

Originally Posted by NyC Zn6 (Post 2828398)
We both welcome OP:cheers:

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funwheeldrive 01-09-2017 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 86Boyz (Post 2828242)
just buy a brz

Some people don't like mustaches though.

FR-Sky 01-09-2017 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2828404)

You should make a post for orange hahah:party0030:

Tcoat 01-09-2017 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FR-Sky (Post 2828451)
You should make a post for orange hahah:party0030:

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guybo 01-09-2017 07:09 PM

Aso, are you going to mod it? If yes, then do you want to modify a limited edition car? A 2015 base model IMHO would be a lot better for modifying and you can make it your own. A 2013 limited edition car would be better to leave alone and you have the cachet of owning a numbered edition car.

funwheeldrive 01-09-2017 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by guybo (Post 2828538)
Aso, are you going to mod it? If yes, then do you want to modify a limited edition car? A 2015 base model IMHO would be a lot better for modifying and you can make it your own. A 2013 limited edition car would be better to leave alone and you have the cachet of owning a numbered edition car.



If you wanted to add the headlights and keyless ignition you would be spending thousands of dollars on that alone.

Tcoat 01-09-2017 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by funwheeldrive (Post 2828542)
If you wanted to add the headlights and keyless ignition you would be spending thousands of dollars on that alone.

Not to mention that as cool as the 10s are as far as "special editions" go they really are not all that special. Some paint and some goodies that the rest of the world and BRZ owners got anyway are not going to drive them into collector car categories.

wbradley 01-09-2017 09:18 PM

Series 10 will stand out amongst a sea of others for resale IMHO. I have seen maybe 1 on the road and there are tons of twins here.If you like the colour AND IT'S STILL AVAILABLE IN MARCH, you can't go wrong. If the '15 is the same price, wear is same(ish), I see the dilemma IF IT'S STILL AVAILABLE IN MARCH.

Buy the Series 10 now!

finch1750 01-09-2017 10:05 PM

I would go with the 10 series for the nicer seats, auto climate, keyless entry/push start, and JDM headlights. Badges are kinda ricey to some but if you like em then it is the better buy everything else equal.

Or just buy a used BRZ limited lol

flyboy 01-10-2017 12:05 AM

I recently got a 10Series vs the 2014 FRS (the 2014 had lower miles but was priced a bit higher). The 10s has more options and looks nicer than the regular FRS I think.

mynameisnick4 01-10-2017 11:38 AM

I have owned both a 2014 (RIP) and a 2013 10 Series. I like the 10 Series more by far than the 14. The headlights are a huge improvement. They are much better looking and also have an auto on mode which the 14 didn't (not a big deal to most though.) The climate control is also much better. In the 10 series you get the automated climate control with much nicer switches and dials. You also get keyless entry and push button start with the 10 series which next to the headlights, is the best thing the 10 series has on the non special editions IMO.

The other slight differences are that the 14s and on have the "knee pads" which is the soft covering around the door speakers and the center console where the 10 series is hard plastic. This is the one thing I do miss about the 14 but you can mend this via the aftermarket if you really want. The seat belts are also a silver color in the 10 series versus the black ones on the 14/15 which I'm not a huge fan of as they will show dirt overtime. I'm indifferent on the Silver Ignition paint color. In the sunlight it will look more blueish which I'm not the biggest fan of but in darker lighting conditions it is an awesome silver color so it balances it out for me I guess. The other small differences I can think of is the 10 series has a rimless rear view mirror and special lights in the badges (glow white and blue when walking up to the car and getting out and locking) and in the dash. Oh and since you are looking at the 15, it will have the better looking shark fin antenna where as the 10 series will have the RC car style stick antenna. This is something I fixed with an aftermarket antenna.

TL/DR: Get the 10 series.

NyC Zn6 01-10-2017 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2828404)

:D

Zhangy 01-10-2017 08:36 PM

wait for release 3.0

wbradley 01-10-2017 09:01 PM

As a side note here is what you don't get with the 10 series vs BRZ Limited/Sport Tech-

Working door lights
Leather/Alcantara seats
Lighted vanity mirrors
Alarm
Heated seats
Radio with navigation

What you do get is all the stuff the upgraded BRZ gets plus the exclusive colour, lighted shift knob and emblems, and the frameless mirror. The emblems could actually be quite useful when searching for your car in a busy parking lot at night.
I think that's correct, please correct me otherwise.

I''d buy a 10 Series and immediately swap out the shift knob. Sacrifice the BRZ stuff for the nicer face and exclusivity.

funwheeldrive 01-10-2017 09:15 PM

^^^

I didn't know that the 10-series doesnt have an alarm? I figured since it had keyless ignition it would be included with the car.

wbradley 01-10-2017 09:49 PM

^^^^
Correct, I was mistaken, the alarm is included.

dnieves 01-10-2017 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wbradley (Post 2829538)
As a side note here is what you don't get with the 10 series vs BRZ Limited/Sport Tech-

Working door lights
Leather/Alcantara seats
Lighted vanity mirrors
Alarm
Heated seats
Radio with navigation

What you do get is all the stuff the upgraded BRZ gets plus the exclusive colour, lighted shift knob and emblems, and the frameless mirror. The emblems could actually be quite useful when searching for your car in a busy parking lot at night.
I think that's correct, please correct me otherwise.

I''d buy a 10 Series and immediately swap out the shift knob. Sacrifice the BRZ stuff for the nicer face and exclusivity.



The solar powered lighted shift knob is only for the AT, MT gets the normal shift knob.


P.S. the lighted badges helped me find the car faster parked in a field after a concert in Bethelwoods.

tCsonfrs 01-10-2017 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by finch1750 (Post 2828699)
I would go with the 10 series for the nicer seats, auto climate, keyless entry/push start, and JDM headlights. Badges are kinda ricey to some but if you like em then it is the better buy everything else equal.

Or just buy a used BRZ limited lol

Seats are the same as a base model FYI


Get the 10 Series, you'll love the color or sunny days and at dusk, its like 6 in one honestly.

zizon93 01-11-2017 09:34 PM

Thank you guys all. I think I have to go for the 10 series after reading all the comments. I will make sure post a pic of it here when I actually get it. so stay tuned haha.

mynameisnick4 01-12-2017 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by funwheeldrive (Post 2829544)
^^^

I didn't know that the 10-series doesnt have an alarm? I figured since it had keyless ignition it would be included with the car.

It's there but off by default. You have to turn it on with techstream.

funwheeldrive 01-12-2017 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mynameisnick4 (Post 2830422)
It's there but off by default. You have to turn it on with techstream.

Really? On the Monogram it's off by default too, but you can activate by pressing a couple of buttons while inside the car. I can't remember the exact process though.

TRD-X 01-12-2017 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by funwheeldrive (Post 2830425)
Really? On the Monogram it's off by default too, but you can activate by pressing a couple of buttons while inside the car. I can't remember the exact process though.


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