Autoguide.com Video: Scion FR-S vs. Hyundai Genesis Coupe
 

Nothing I didn't expect. The FR-S is definitely more fun to drive but the Genesis is STILL faster. :burnrubber:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI2snMjBqRE&"]Scion FR-S vs. Hyundai Genesis Coupe Comparison - YouTube[/ame]

edit: Here is the writeup/article on the video
http://www.autoguide.com/car-compari...spec-2103.html

All in due time...

And it was only a second faster...i can deal with that! put some better tires on the frs and genesis would have a problem

It would be interesting to see if they both run on the exact same tires.

I test drove a 2013 Genesis Coupe 2.0T in my search for the perfect fun car.

Good:
1) Usable back seat
2) Very easy to go very fast (in a straight line)

Bad:
1) Steering and pedals felt 'dead' to me, like my inputs didn't have a direct effect on the car
2) Suspension was.. well.. too soft, interior too fancy.

Overall, It didn't have the feel I was looking for. I wanted a car that made me feel like I was part of the car and the road. The Genesis didn't provide that.

What tires you would change to the GC? They are already terrific...

Edit:

and little bit of LOL. GC brakes did fade after 1 or 2 fast lap... Gotta be something wrong in that particular car.

I test drove both when deciding on a car, I think if it was just the FRS vs 2.0T Genesis, I would've gone with the FRS, but the fact you can get the upgraded v6 with 350 HP, that blows the FRS out of the water

Thanks for the video. I've driven the 3.8 V6 Track. Its not a bad car but I don't agree the interior is nicer than the FR-S. Material wise maybe but I prefer the look of our interior.

The 2.0T already blows the FRS out of the water, so what's your point?

The Genesis new front is ugly.

/thread.

To each, their own.

And the "3.8 V6 Track" is almost equivalent to the price of an STi here in Toronto.


BRZ $27,295.00
GC V6 Track $36,999.00
STI $38,195.00

Just saying, my personal preference would to be to get an STi, even if they aren't the same platform.

Genesis Coupe isn't a bad car, but I tend to agree that the FR-S is a way better option.


Yeah, the fact that you can spend $37K on a Genesis Coupe over a $25K FR-S totally blows it out of the water... right.

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Or, you could take $30k and get yourself a new Mustang GT, which is one of the best performers in its class, and is still RWD.

:dnftt:

Seriously, though the price point is what makes the GC unappealing to me. Just seems like you can get so much more car for $37k, and more headroom to boot. :iono:

I totally agree. If I had ~$37K to spend on a car, I would likely go the STI or 370Z nismo route.

Slightly used Cayman S.

Yea but like someone else already stated, tires on the gc are already great wouldnt make that much of a difference compared to changing the ones on the frs. It wud be cool to see what both of these cars do with the same tires on.

genesis r 0-60 5.7 1/4 14.2/98.4mph braking at 111
fr-s 0-60 6.2 1/4 14.8/94.3mph braking at 118

They are not that far off from eachother. Car and driver shaved off over 2 secs but switching to better tires so who knows. If the gc and frs had the same brake setup and tires i think the frs wud win due to its balance. straighaways the gc wud still get us tho!

Most of you guys don't even know what the hell you are talking about. A fully loaded GC with a 8 speed auto is 35,750 vs a base ass model STI for about the same price. A 3.8 R-Spec has about as much features that come with STI and it costs 29,450. Plus I would rather have sexy low-slung RWD coupe over a hotted up economy box any day of the week.

How is the V6 GC price compared to a 370Z? I know which one of the two I would pick.

Also these guys are so wrong about the vehicles weight balance. They are both identical 55/45.

A Z is based at $30,750 with no options while a R-Spec is about 1k cheaper with a Sport package standard and a back seat. If nobody can see the deal in that then I don't know if anybody knows what a B4B is.

The new 2012 370z baseline starts at $32,280, not sure where you got the $30,750 for, and that's baseline

You can get the fully loaded manual 3.8 Track for $33k, which is 348 HP, Leather, Heated Seats, Sunroof, Navigation, HID's, Front LED's, Brembos, Spoiler, etc etc

$1k is close enough to really come down to how each one drives and feels.

oo the youtube comments.. my brain hurts. :cry:

It must've went up more since 09. See that makes the GC an even bigger deal than I was making it out to be. :thanks:

Apparently I was talking about the price of a 09 370 base. I have been corrected.

CDN UPDATE:

Base BRZ $27,295.00
GC V6 Track $36,999.00
Base STI $38,195.00
Base 370z $40,978 Without Sport-Tech Package

Dam, US prices are much better.

Just built a 370Z with Sports package - $36,090

Sport Package: $3,030

Nissan Sport Brakes
Limited-Slip Differential
Bridgestone Potenza tires
Body Color Rear Spoiler
SynchroRev Match
19" 5-spoke RAYS® wheels
Front Chin Aero Deflector

Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-Spec V6 - $30,025

Red leather bolster/red cloth insert seats
AM/FM/SiriusXM/CD/MP3 audio system

$6,065 difference, that's a big chunk of change. If I didn't get the Sport package on the Z then it'll be $3,035 still pretty expensive.

:word:

I honestly think both the GC and FRS/BRZ is the ASIAN B4B sports coupes. You still get back seats and a useable trunk with all 3.

I also think the end results is what everyone including me have expected. If I was tracking a car I would choose the smallest, lightest RWD vehicle over one that weighs 600 lbs more.

As someone that owns a 2010 3.8 track, I agree. The 2013 GC is noticeably better than either the twins or old GC though, I will say that.

Having done a longer test drive of someone's FRS and driving my GC, I would say I personally prefer the FRS. While the GC is faster in a straight line, has more options, and room - everything else about the FRS is better. Its simply more fun to drive the FRS. The GC is not a bad car, but it really is for someone that would consider a Mustang instead and in the end I think someone would might pick the FRS would not like the GC or Mustang as much.

popcorn.

these threads are entertaining when people throw subjectivity in the garbage and start making comparisons on dollar figure. pftfbtbfbtbfbtb

The one I drove was a 2013 GC. The interior is nice but in a luxury car kind of way. It just doesn't look sporty. Especially the shift knob and steering wheel. Of course you can change both relatively easily. The car is pretty nice to drive though. I only drove it in straight line pretty much since the salesman did not take me on any turns.

I don't disagree it's perhaps less sporty, but the point I was trying to make is simply they used nicer materials from the dash to the seats even if you don't prefer the styling.

I stopped watching as soon as they said the GC front end looks good...:bonk:

After taking the FRS out for some tests and having our own 2.0T and V6 Genesis. I feel that the two cars should not be compared together. There is no better car with these comparisons.

Each vehicles have their own unique characteristics that I find appealing. Both cars have great potential in this industry and its up to the aftermarket industries to enhance these characteristics to have these vehicles tailored to everyone's specific wants and needs.

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/t...r/60b8d68a.jpg

Although both cars fall into similar brackets, one must take into consideration the design intentions of the design engineers behind both of these cars.

Here we have Hyundai finally hitting full stride as a company, making good cars and establishing a foundation for good quality. The GC is their halo car, it's out to challenge the competition i.e other RWD sports cars in it's price bracket. The numbers matter to Hyundai and their GC, horsepower and torque numbers, along with all those other number based ratings.

Now we have Toyota, trying to find their inner passion for sports cars they've lost and forgotten. It's been nearly 10 years since they've offered anything truly competitive in terms of sporty cars. The MR-S was a great car, and the Celica had some good qualities in its own right, but the lack of sports car passion from the top of the corporate chain as well as disinterest from the general public ultimately led these cars to their ends. For the GT-86/FRS, the engineers sought to challenge the design, rather than push out a car with less passion and cookie cutter specs to play the numbers game.

Yes I do agree. I already said their materials are better. Just prefer the styling of the FR-S better but of course that is IMHO. The interior of the GC isn't bad. In fact, the whole car isn't bad but the 3.8 V6 does cost a lot more.

I like Colum Wood. He's a handsome Canadian.

Oh, this thread again. Normally I don't call out repost but it's in the wrong section and we already have 92 PAGES of this crap over hear
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...t=2161&page=92