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~el~jefe~ 12-23-2016 04:47 AM

WRX is 85% Japanese, BRZ is 95% Japanese
 
I checked the stickers on
BRZ
WRX

The source parts of the BRZ says 95% japanese vs 85% WRX.

95% is the highest amount I have seen on a car.

Tcoat told me this info is not posted in his country, so I thought I would mention it to others.

0% of either car is from Europe or the USA according to the sticker. Both of them final assembled in Japan same city.

JD001 12-23-2016 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ~el~jefe~ (Post 2819434)
I checked the stickers on
BRZ
WRX

The source parts of the BRZ says 95% japanese vs 85% WRX.

95% is the highest amount I have seen on a car.

Tcoat told me this info is not posted in his country, so I thought I would mention it to others.

0% of either car is from Europe or the USA according to the sticker. Both of them final assembled in Japan same city.

What about Subaru/Toyota ratio??

gtairpline 12-23-2016 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JD001 (Post 2819436)
What about Subaru/Toyota ratio??

tree fiddy

8RZ 12-23-2016 08:48 AM

Where's the other 5% made?

JD001 12-23-2016 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 8RZ (Post 2819460)
Where's the other 5% made?

At Scion..

8RZ 12-23-2016 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JD001 (Post 2819464)
At Scion..

Soooo that would mean the 5% is also made in Japan...

JD001 12-23-2016 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 8RZ (Post 2819465)
Soooo that would mean the 5% is also made in Japan...

I thought that they would be manufactured in Scionland:

Sideways 12-23-2016 09:28 AM

5% is probably made in north pole by elves!!!

8RZ 12-23-2016 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JD001 (Post 2819469)
I thought that they would be manufactured in Scionland:

They were until they got quietly shut down.

Too soon?

JD001 12-23-2016 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 8RZ (Post 2819471)
They were until they got quietly shut down.

Too soon?

Aren't Scions driven by Santa's little helpers?

Tcoat 12-23-2016 10:09 AM

In today's global market even the "Made in XXX" sticker can be deceiving. When the individual parts of the components can be made anyplace and then assembled into the final product someplace else the lines get blurred in a hurry. A strut may consist of a valve made in Mexico, a housing made in China, gaskets and seals made in Malaysia, a rod made in USA, fluid made in Canada and fittings made in India (those that know where I work know I am not guessing at these locations). Wherever it is assembled into a finished product is generally where the "Made In" sticker states even if not one single part was actually manufactured in that country. If all those components are assembled in Japan then all of a sudden that strut wears a "Made in Japan" sticker.
Then we get the very confusing situation of companies owned in one country but the products that they make are done in another. A great example of this is Aisin. Much of their design and manufacturing is done in Mexico, Canada and the US but people think of them as a completely Japanese company.
The day of being able to say that anything was made in a certain country are long gone and will never return.

JD001 12-23-2016 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2819479)
In today's global market even the "Made in XXX" sticker can be deceiving. When the individual parts of the components can be made anyplace and then assembled into the final product someplace else the lines get blurred in a hurry. A strut may consist of a valve made in Mexico, a housing made in China, gaskets and seals made in Malaysia, a rod made in USA, fluid made in Canada and fittings made in India (those that know where I work know I am not guessing at these locations). Wherever it is assembled into a finished product is generally where the "Made In" sticker states even if not one single part was actually manufactured in that country. If all those components are assembled in Japan then all of a sudden that strut wears a "Made in Japan" sticker.
Then we get the very confusing situation of companies owned in one country but the products that they make are done in another. A great example of this is Aisin. Much of their design and manufacturing is done in Mexico, Canada and the US but people think of them as a completely Japanese company.
The day of being able to say that anything was made in a certain country are long gone and will never return.

So I could be right? Scionland can be a strong contender.

Tcoat 12-23-2016 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JD001 (Post 2819493)
So I could be right? Scionland can be a strong contender.

Actually way off base since Scion never manufactured a thing. Not so much as a bolt.

JD001 12-23-2016 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2819494)
Actually way off base since Scion never manufactured a thing. Not so much as a bolt.

Someone made the Scion badges? I can't believe Toyota or Subaru making them. They just wouldn't carry the "fun" cookie cutters, they're much too serious for such frivolity.

8RZ 12-23-2016 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JD001 (Post 2819500)
Someone made the Scion badges? I can't believe Toyota or Subaru making them. They just wouldn't carry the "fun" cookie cutters, they're much too serious for such frivolity.

The back of all the Scion badges on the 86 are stamped "SUBARU" lol.

Tcoat 12-23-2016 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JD001 (Post 2819500)
Someone made the Scion badges? I can't believe Toyota or Subaru making them. They just wouldn't carry the "fun" cookie cutters, they're much too serious for such frivolity.

Nope still not made by Scion. Toyota and Subaru badges are not made by Toyota or Subaru either though.

JD001 12-23-2016 11:36 AM

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Nope still not made by Scion. Toyota and Subaru badges are not made by Toyota or Subaru either though.

Tcoat you're on a mission to wreck my Xmas...Who makes our badges???

Tcoat 12-23-2016 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JD001 (Post 2819522)
Tcoat you're on a mission to wreck my Xmas...Who makes our badges???

No idea. Could be a huge well know company or a 3 man casting shop in the jungle somewhere (with a great contract). Odds are it is the same place that makes most of the badges for all the other manufacturers though. The car "manufacturers" are really car assemblers in this day and age. I worked for one place many years ago that made the HVAC motors for cars. We made them for BMW, Ford, GM, Chrysler and VW. The difference between each motor was what number got rubber stamped onto the case. They were literally identical except for some ink. If I took 20 steps out of my office right now I could make a 180 degree sweep with my head and see rotors being made for Toyota, Ford, Chrysler and GM. Some of them on the same lines that run other makes (with minor tooling changes).

krayzie 12-23-2016 11:58 AM

The Pioneer amp in the trunk is Made in China and the Fujitsu Ten headunit is Assembled in Mexico.

Tcoat 12-23-2016 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by krayzie (Post 2819542)
The Pioneer amp in the trunk is Made in China and the Fujitsu Ten headunit is Assembled in Mexico.

And the parts inside those are made all over the world. Probably just about anyplace but Japan or the US actually.

JD001 12-23-2016 12:38 PM

Reads like we are in the process of debunking the OP's initial statement that 95% of the Twins parts are Japanese. Oh how I wished that my Subaru was all Japanese unlike our white goods manufactured somewhere nondescript.....

krayzie 12-23-2016 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JD001 (Post 2819577)
Reads like we are in the process of debunking the OP's initial statement that 95% of the Twins parts are Japanese. Oh how I wished that my Subaru was all Japanese unlike our white goods manufactured somewhere nondescript.....

I gotta say 95% Japanese is quite impressive considering this car isn't high end by any means. To get anywhere close to that percentage with other complicated Japanese products like Seiko or Sony you got to go pretty high up in their product chain.

Tcoat 12-23-2016 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JD001 (Post 2819577)
Reads like we are in the process of debunking the OP's initial statement that 95% of the Twins parts are Japanese. Oh how I wished that my Subaru was all Japanese unlike our white goods manufactured somewhere nondescript.....

I have been in Tier 1 auto parts manufacturing for almost 30 years and have seen huge changes in that period of time. The 2008 recession knocked hell out of many of the big name Japanese manufacturers and many, many components are no longer made where you would expect them to be. With shipping costs dropping all the time and many of the "Third World" countries investing in proper transportation and manufacturing infrastructure I don't think the globalization of manufacturing will slow down in the foreseeable future.

Barefootdan 12-23-2016 01:49 PM

We must dig deeper and find out where the material to each component is being mined from!

Tcoat 12-23-2016 02:00 PM

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We must dig deeper and find out where the material to each component is being mined from!

That is a whole new rabbit hole!

prj3ctm4yh3m 12-23-2016 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 8RZ (Post 2819460)
Where's the other 5% made?

tires - michelin
suspension - sachs
PP Brembros - Italy/US (dont think they have a JP foundry)
exhaust - phillipines probably (fujitsubo?)

prj3ctm4yh3m 12-23-2016 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootdan (Post 2819619)
We must dig deeper and find out where the material to each component is being mined from!

conflict rare earth. :popcorn:

JD001 12-23-2016 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by prj3ctm4yh3m (Post 2819628)
tires - michelin
suspension - sachs
PP Brembros - Italy/US (dont think they have a JP foundry)
exhaust - phillipines probably (fujitsubo?)

If I want an American car I want it manufactured in America. An Italian car made in Italy, British car manufactured in the UK, German car made in Germany and a French car made in France.

I don't want to buy an Italian car made in Japan!

krayzie 12-23-2016 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by prj3ctm4yh3m (Post 2819628)
exhaust - phillipines probably (fujitsubo?)

Sakamoto makes the OEM exhaust, Hitachi makes the OEM rims, Showa makes the OEM shocks and Mitsubishi makes the OEM springs all in Japan.

jtaeric 12-23-2016 03:39 PM

I'm not sure about WRX, but I'm 100% sure that BRZ/86/FR-S are all made on the same production line at Gunma main plant, Gunma, Japan.


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~el~jefe~ 12-23-2016 03:41 PM

One could note that tiny parts are made in various places. It is not the part that matters, but the quality control of the people assembling them, testing the parts, and sense of responsibility for overseeing stuff.

example i would give is VW. They have some nice designs, but dont give a crap about quality control at all. German versions or mexican versions, both seem to have no energy or time spent in quality control. According to one engineer I listen to, he reported that VW did as I noted to expand their line and domination of the market. I have more of a trust of the Japanese workmanship and planning than I do most other countries. The USA could build 99% reliable stuff, we have great workers, but leadership and management are kinda mentally retarded. Look at Ford and Chrysler. eek.

~el~jefe~ 12-23-2016 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jtaeric (Post 2819715)
I'm not sure about WRX, but I'm 100% sure that BRZ/86/FR-S are all made on the same production line at Gunma main plant, Gunma, Japan.


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the wrx is made from same plant, yes. Same place.

krayzie 12-23-2016 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ~el~jefe~ (Post 2819721)
One could note that tiny parts are made in various places. It is not the part that matters, but the quality control of the people assembling them, testing the parts, and sense of responsibility for overseeing stuff.

example i would give is VW. They have some nice designs, but dont give a crap about quality control at all. German versions or mexican versions, both seem to have no energy or time spent in quality control. According to one engineer I listen to, he reported that VW did as I noted to expand their line and domination of the market. I have more of a trust of the Japanese workmanship and planning than I do most other countries. The USA could build 99% reliable stuff, we have great workers, but leadership and management are kinda mentally retarded. Look at Ford and Chrysler. eek.

A proper sendoff for VW and their rubbish products.

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Tcoat 12-23-2016 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JD001 (Post 2819637)
If I want an American car I want it manufactured in America. An Italian car made in Italy, British car manufactured in the UK, German car made in Germany and a French car made in France.

I don't want to buy an Italian car made in Japan!

You are about 20 years too late for that I am afraid.

Oh and who really wants a French car?

jtaeric 12-23-2016 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2819760)
You are about 20 years too late for that I am afraid.



Oh and who really wants a French car?


lol. Good point on the second half.


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Tcoat 12-23-2016 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ~el~jefe~ (Post 2819721)
One could note that tiny parts are made in various places. It is not the part that matters, but the quality control of the people assembling them, testing the parts, and sense of responsibility for overseeing stuff.

example i would give is VW. They have some nice designs, but dont give a crap about quality control at all. German versions or mexican versions, both seem to have no energy or time spent in quality control. According to one engineer I listen to, he reported that VW did as I noted to expand their line and domination of the market. I have more of a trust of the Japanese workmanship and planning than I do most other countries. The USA could build 99% reliable stuff, we have great workers, but leadership and management are kinda mentally retarded. Look at Ford and Chrysler. eek.

You are making some very sweeping assumptions based on myth and biased reporting. If you think that all Japanese management is perfect you would be wrong. They have their share of bad management just like everybody else. It just doesn't make headlines here like when a top level Ford or GM guy screws up. There was a day 25 years ago or so when indeed the Japanese management systemsruled. It took all of about 2 years for all the other companies to catch up and put those same systems in place. They no longer have that edge.
I assure you that urban legend aside even the Mexican plants have the same level of quality control as the ones in Japan. People seem to picture Japanese plants as this wonderful fairyland of automotive technology while Mexican plants are a shack out in the desert. This is not true anymore (it was once back in the 80s) and if I took you in a plant and didn't tell you what country you are in you would probably never be able to tell. In fact many of the plants in Japan are aging and showing it whereas plants in Mexico, China and even India are brand new state of the art facilities.
I know this will not go over well on a forum populated by people that adhere to the whole "Japanese cars rule the world" mythos but it just does not fly anymore.

winstonscifi 12-23-2016 05:26 PM

You guys have got me thinking, and now re-thinking. I've owned a British sports car - 1974 Triumph Spitfire. An Italian sports car - 1976 Fiat X 1/9. An American sports car - 2002 35th Anniversary Camaro. A German sports car - 2007 Chrysler Crossfire. And now a Japanese sports car - a 2015 Scion FR-S. All cars were "assembled" in their respective countries. Except perhaps the Camaro. Tcoat, I think that was made in Canada - correct? My next true American sports car might have to be a Corvette! (That's not all bad...)

Tcoat 12-23-2016 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by winstonscifi (Post 2819827)
You guys have got me thinking, and now re-thinking. I've owned a British sports car - 1974 Triumph Spitfire. An Italian sports car - 1976 Fiat X 1/9. An American sports car - 2002 35th Anniversary Camaro. A German sports car - 2007 Chrysler Crossfire. And now a Japanese sports car - a 2015 Scion FR-S. All cars were "assembled" in their respective countries. Except perhaps the Camaro. Tcoat, I think that was made in Canada - correct? My next true American sports car might have to be a Corvette! (That's not all bad...)

They used to be made here yes.

prj3ctm4yh3m 12-23-2016 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JD001 (Post 2819637)
If I want an American car I want it manufactured in America. An Italian car made in Italy, British car manufactured in the UK, German car made in Germany and a French car made in France.

I don't want to buy an Italian car made in Japan!

fiesta ST powertrains come from the UK...american or british - riddle me that

winstonscifi 12-23-2016 05:40 PM

I just googled it - the Camaro will be made in the Lansing Michigan plant starting very soon. Being retired, another Camaro will fit my budget better than a new Corvette.....That won't be for another 6 years though....gotta get the miles out of our new FR-S!


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