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Jajanken86 12-22-2016 08:12 PM

Most tail happy lowering springs?
 
So what is the most tail happy set of lowering springs out there? Is it just between TRD and Swift springs FR-S spec to consider? Looking for around but not more than a 1 inch drop

Thanks!

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swarb 12-22-2016 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jajanken86 (Post 2819258)
So what is the most tail happy set of lowering springs out there? Is it just between TRD and Swift springs FR-S spec to consider? Looking for around but not more than a 1 inch drop

Thanks!

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Read the sticky on the top of this section... spring rates are listed.
"Sticky: BRZ/FR-S Suspension Options List (Springs and Coilovers)"

Jajanken86 12-22-2016 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by swarb (Post 2819280)
Read the sticky on the top of this section... spring rates are listed.
"Sticky: BRZ/FR-S Suspension Options List (Springs and Coilovers)"

Yeah was reading that but not sure it answered my question. Is it really as simple as looking for whatever spring rates have the biggest difference between front and rears?? Cuz don't they also translate a bit different when on the car? Sorry I'm new especially with suspension

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swarb 12-22-2016 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jajanken86 (Post 2819315)
Yeah was reading that but not sure it answered my question. Is it really as simple as looking for whatever spring rates have the biggest difference between front and rears?? Cuz don't they also translate a bit different when on the car? Sorry I'm new especially with suspension

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Short answer= Yes.
Long answer= edit* thanks @ZDan Wheel rate is spring rate multiplied by motion ratio SQUARED.

gramicci101 12-23-2016 01:05 AM

Also how changes in alignment affect handling. Especially rear toe out.

slyphen 12-23-2016 03:21 AM

there is no "most tail happy springs". if you want to be tail happy, get rear biased(stiffer) springs.

Tcoat 12-23-2016 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 2819382)
Also how changes in alignment affect handling. Especially rear toe out.

And what size and type of wheels and tires.

DAEMANO 12-23-2016 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jajanken86 (Post 2819258)
So what is the most tail happy set of lowering springs out there? Is it just between TRD and Swift springs FR-S spec to consider? Looking for around but not more than a 1 inch drop

Go here, register, and start learning from these guys.

http://partsshopmax.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum.php

They wont sell you springs, but if you're willing to listen they can help you learn how to do what you're probably trying to do with some degree of sanity.

Leonardo 12-23-2016 02:35 PM

Wouldn't a different rear sway bar affect the "tail happiness" more?

Teseo 12-23-2016 02:49 PM

If you want more tail hapy, put shitty tires on the rear and have fun

ZDan 12-23-2016 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by swarb (Post 2819344)
Spring rate X motion ratio = wheel rate.

Wheel rate is spring rate multiplied by motion ratio SQUARED.

Jajanken86 12-23-2016 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2819578)
And what size and type of wheels and tires.

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Originally Posted by Teseo (Post 2819661)
If you want more tail hapy, put shitty tires on the rear and have fun

I'm on stocks lol

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Jajanken86 12-23-2016 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DAEMANO (Post 2819649)
Go here, register, and start learning from these guys.

http://partsshopmax.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum.php

They wont sell you springs, but if you're willing to listen they can help you learn how to do what you're probably trying to do with some degree of sanity.

It does sound like a better plan to learn how to handle before changing parts out

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finch1750 12-23-2016 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jajanken86 (Post 2819770)
It does sound like a better plan to learn how to handle before changing parts out

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I just had to quote for emphasis

You are the first reasonable person I have ever seen on a forum to actually go "hmmm, maybe getting more knowledge is a good idea first".

Kudos

strat61caster 12-23-2016 05:41 PM

imo alignment has a huge impact on balance, you can add and remove grip just by turning a few screws. Get whatever lowering springs you feel suit you, sounds like TRD/Eibach or Swift make the most sense and then adjusting camber and sway bars will get you whatever you want.

One of the best setups I've had on this car was camber bolts and camber plates and some good tires.

Good luck.

Ultramaroon 12-23-2016 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2819851)
imo alignment has a huge impact on balance, you can add and remove grip just by turning a few screws. Get whatever lowering springs you feel suit you, sounds like TRD/Eibach or Swift make the most sense and then adjusting camber and sway bars will get you whatever you want.

One of the best setups I've had on this car was camber bolts and camber plates and some good tires.

Good luck.

+1

Also, stock tires are fine. They are predictable and talk to you plenty before they give up.

strat61caster 12-23-2016 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2819856)
+1

Also, stock tires are fine. They are predictable and talk to you plenty before they give up.

Oh yeah, didn't mean to imply the OE Michelin's weren't good, only being totally honest in that I had some Dunlop ZII SS on at the time...

Ultramaroon 12-23-2016 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2819867)
Oh yeah, didn't mean to imply the OE Michelin's weren't good, only being totally honest in that I had some Dunlop ZII SS on at the time...

Oh, I didn't read it that way at all. Good tires are good too. :D

I was actually responding to OP's earlier lol about being on stockers. No shame in that.

86Tony 12-30-2016 12:08 PM

raise rear tire pressure to 40+ psi, it be tail happy

86Boyz 12-30-2016 12:34 PM

the best way to be the totally tail happy is to put your car on ALL FOUR DONUTS

churchx 12-30-2016 06:11 PM

Another one watched Chris Harris AMG donut stunt :)
It may work for short fun run, but i wouldn't think of really considering using it, even if just on one track-day. Given them being speed/load limited, i wouldn't be able to rely on them lasting much if subjected to heavy drifting abuse, at least not even close as if on normal tires.

Gunman 12-31-2016 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Leonardo (Post 2819650)
Wouldn't a different rear sway bar affect the "tail happiness" more?

Maybe. ARB is a good tuning tool, but when mine was too "loose", I actually stiffened the front up, to get the handling more neutral. That's why I like front and rear adjustable ARB's.

gramicci101 12-31-2016 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunman (Post 2823355)
Maybe. ARB is a good tuning tool, but when mine was too "loose", I actually stiffened the front up, to get the handling more neutral. That's why I like front and rear adjustable ARB's.

I may be confused. To me, ARB is a company that makes pneumatic locking differentials and random other off-road toys.

Gunman 12-31-2016 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 2823403)
I may be confused. To me, ARB is a company that makes pneumatic locking differentials and random other off-road toys.

Anti Roll Bar :)

gramicci101 12-31-2016 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunman (Post 2823404)
Anti Roll Bar :)

Grazie.

twag4 12-31-2016 04:59 PM

To the OP, I can adjust my r at s at bar to a stiffer position to make the tail hang out more easily. $200 solution, although I don't do it to that purpose.

Jajanken86 12-31-2016 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by twag4 (Post 2823414)
To the OP, I can adjust my r at s at bar to a stiffer position to make the tail hang out more easily. $200 solution, although I don't do it to that purpose.

What's an r at and s at bar?

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swarb 12-31-2016 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jajanken86 (Post 2823418)
What's an r at and s at bar?

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rear anti sway bar

twag4 12-31-2016 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jajanken86 (Post 2823418)
What's an r at and s at bar?

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WTH? Stupid autocorrect, shoulda proof read that. Sway bar in the back. I have an adjustable sway bar, That when I set it to a stiffer setting, I can slide all over. Discovered by accident of course:lol:


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