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ToySub1946 12-16-2016 06:00 PM

Our cars will be worth a lot in just 50 years from now
 
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Remember: Each one of ours which does not buff out, brings the future price up. You can help right now by driving in winter with no snows.

FX86 12-16-2016 06:12 PM

are you sure?

strat61caster 12-16-2016 06:18 PM

lmao, no.

There were 351 2000GT's ever built and they were priced sky-high, $6,800 in 1967 was nearly double the price of a fully loaded Mustang GT, more expensive than a 911S and in today's dollars is ~$50k. The price is a factor of it's rarity more than anything else.

If an 86 is ever worth 450 million bucks, the 2000GT would be worth $8 billlion+

There's almost 100,000 86's in the U.S. alone, the future values will reflect that it is a relatively common and easily attainable car.

2000GT values may be representative of what future LFA values will be, but nothing else built by Toyota falls into the same category.

Impureclient 12-16-2016 06:26 PM

There can be only one or at least a few dozen. Any time I see another FR-S, BRZ or 86 now, I will destroy it.
Either that or highly recommend they install a rocket bunny kit on theirs so mine will be worth $8 billion.
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darthpnoy1984 12-16-2016 06:30 PM

Maybe the Lexus LF-A but not the Twins unfortunately.


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KalbiCool88 12-16-2016 06:56 PM

Looking at the current resell values of our cars, it's not looking very good. But personally I did not buy my car for its resell value and I'm sure many of the people here didn't neither.

Leonardo 12-16-2016 07:42 PM

LOL!

There were approx 9000 Delorians made. DMC-12 had a suggested retail price of $25,000 ($650 more when equipped with an automatic transmission); this is equivalent to approximately $65,181 in 2015. There are 6500 estimated to be still in existence.

This car has 3000 miles and is very minty. $39K buy it now. You would make more by just leaving the 25K in the bank, and not have to pay for storage.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-DeLorea...m=232171571854


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Packofcrows 12-16-2016 07:45 PM

my Gatorade bottle will be worth a million bucks

D_Thissen 12-16-2016 08:03 PM

No they wont. They will be worth what ever scrap metal is going for in 2066.

Tcoat 12-16-2016 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by D_Thissen (Post 2816148)
No they wont. They will be worth what ever scrap metal is going for in 2066.

Or...

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Atropine 12-16-2016 08:13 PM

In 50 years...non self-driving cars may be illegal...

These are great cars...they are not investments.

Everyone that bought a series 10 or Series 1 or 2.0 etc etc..I hope you bought it because YOU like it. Because when there are 5k "limited editions" they are not limited.

strat61caster 12-16-2016 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Atropine (Post 2816152)
In 50 years...non self-driving cars may be illegal...

Let me know when horse and carriage is outlawed...

Tcoat 12-16-2016 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2816156)
Let me know when horse and carriage is outlawed...

They are in many areas.
And how many are used for more than a novelty?

strat61caster 12-16-2016 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2816166)
They are in many areas.
And how many are used for more than a novelty?

That's exactly what will happen to self-driven automobiles, novelty, no super highways for the Luddites, but I bet when I die I'll still be able to drive an 86 across this country. Just like you can still ride a bicycle across it or ride a horse across it.

Will it be easy? Probably not, but all this doom and gloom is totally unfounded.

Tcoat 12-16-2016 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2816170)
That's exactly what will happen to self-driven automobiles, novelty, no super highways for the Luddites, but I bet when I die I'll still be able to drive an 86 across this country. Just like you can still ride a bicycle across it or ride a horse across it.

Will it be easy? Probably not, but all this doom and gloom is totally unfounded.

Yep. It may cost a fortune and be a hobby for the rich only but it will probably be doable. I know I won't see a day when you can't that is for sure.

Braces 12-16-2016 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2816172)
Yep. It may cost a fortune and be a hobby for the rich only but it will probably be doable. I know I won't see a day when you can't that is for sure.

Hang in there Tcoat.

Tcoat 12-16-2016 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Braces (Post 2816214)
Hang in there Tcoat.

LOL If I last 15 more years I will be amazed. I choose my lifestyle and have come to terms with the inevitable result.

Braces 12-17-2016 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2816223)
LOL If I last 15 more years I will be amazed. I choose my lifestyle and have come to terms with the inevitable result.

I'm sure you've earned it.

root 12-18-2016 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2816170)
That's exactly what will happen to self-driven automobiles, novelty, no super highways for the Luddites, but I bet when I die I'll still be able to drive an 86 across this country. Just like you can still ride a bicycle across it or ride a horse across it.

Will it be easy? Probably not, but all this doom and gloom is totally unfounded.

It'll be like ExDriver, only specially certified people will be allowed to drive cars. Actually I often feel the certifications for current liscensing need to be tougher.

Yardjass 12-19-2016 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Leonardo (Post 2816135)
LOL!

There were approx 9000 Delorians made. DMC-12 had a suggested retail price of $25,000 ($650 more when equipped with an automatic transmission); this is equivalent to approximately $65,181 in 2015. There are 6500 estimated to be still in existence.

This car has 3000 miles and is very minty. $39K buy it now. You would make more by just leaving the 25K in the bank, and not have to pay for storage.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-DeLorea...m=232171571854



I don't buy into the whole "pay for storage" thing. Fact is I'm going to have a sports car in the garage at all times anyway so the amount of extra money I would spend to store an "investment car" is exactly zero. I guess if you're Jay Leno or something, things are different but I look at the appreciated value of a rare car more as an extra perk that comes with my hobby than anything else.

Tcoat 12-19-2016 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Yardjass (Post 2817079)
I don't buy into the whole "pay for storage" thing. Fact is I'm going to have a sports car in the garage at all times anyway so the amount of extra money I would spend to store an "investment car" is exactly zero. I guess if you're Jay Leno or something, things are different but I look at the appreciated value of a rare car more as an extra perk that comes with my hobby than anything else.

You may not lay out cash but you are still "paying" when you store a car in your garage. You lose the use of the space for anything else which means you are making payments on a garage you only use for one thing.

synchromesh 12-19-2016 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Yardjass (Post 2817079)
I don't buy into the whole "pay for storage" thing. Fact is I'm going to have a sports car in the garage at all times anyway so the amount of extra money I would spend to store an "investment car" is exactly zero. I guess if you're Jay Leno or something, things are different but I look at the appreciated value of a rare car more as an extra perk that comes with my hobby than anything else.



Someone in my building is trying to rent out a parking space for $175/month. The sad thing is I notice many stalls that are just completely empty for months now.


In some parts of the city it can easily cost over a quarter million dollars to convert a garage into a "laneway" home garnering easily over a $1000 a month in rent alone.


I postulate these trends to causal relationship as to why alpha males nowadays can't explain what the role of an alternator does in a car, can't disassemble a spent vacuum cleaner, and are double fisting their phones while leaving the front entrance of a nightclub while J-walking to the bus stop.

MuseChaser 12-19-2016 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2816170)
.... I bet when I die I'll still be able to drive an 86 across this country....

Wow... talk about super powers!

strat61caster 12-19-2016 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Yardjass (Post 2817079)
I don't buy into the whole "pay for storage" thing. Fact is I'm going to have a sports car in the garage at all times anyway so the amount of extra money I would spend to store an "investment car" is exactly zero.

Please tell me what tires, oil, radiator fluid, rubber hoses, rubber belts, batteries, and lubricants never need replacing, especially after 50 years. I'm sure many of us would greatly appreciate the tip.

Not to mention your free mechanic to do a tune up on a 50 year old super car.

All cars need maintenance, the ones worth money usually double or triple the costs of the ones that aren't.

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Originally Posted by synchromesh (Post 2817295)
I postulate these trends to causal relationship as to why alpha males nowadays can't explain what the role of an alternator does in a car, can't disassemble a spent vacuum cleaner, and are double fisting their phones while leaving the front entrance of a nightclub while J-walking to the bus stop.

Get out of the bubble the internet has created for you re-affirming your unfounded biases.

A. There are millions who do understand mechanical things.
B. The vast majority of the 'older generation' didn't understand those things at all and had their head up their ass with their radio soap operas browsing department store catalogs for frivolous shit instead of Amazon or whatever was trendy that decade that time forgot because it was just as stupid as caring too much about buzzfeed articles.

8RZ 12-19-2016 04:47 PM

I'm wrapping my 86 in Saran-wrap as we speak.

Tcoat 12-19-2016 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 8RZ (Post 2817347)
I'm wrapping my 86 in Saran-wrap as we speak.

Oh that is the worst thing you can do! Hold all that nice moisture in there and all. At least use the breathable stuff.

Ultramaroon 12-19-2016 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2817330)
A. There are millions who do understand mechanical things.
B. The vast majority of the 'older generation' didn't understand those things at all and had their head up their ass with their radio soap operas browsing department store catalogs...

Excellent point. The ratio of hands-on people to the rest of the population hasn't changed.

Ultramaroon 12-19-2016 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2817353)
Oh that is the worst thing you can do! Hold all that nice moisture in there and all. At least use the breathable stuff.

Wrap it in UV resistant stuff and park it in the middle of the desert.

NOHOME 12-19-2016 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ToySub1946 (Post 2816074)
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-toyota-2000-gt/

Remember: Each one of ours which does not buff out, brings the future price up. You can help right now by driving in winter with no snows.


Hard to tell, but you are trying to be funny right?

In case you did NOT know, Toyota only made about 300 of those.

I own a rare collector car very much in the spirit of the FRS of which only 8000 were ever made and 40 years later you can still buy one in top condition for $25-30,000. So, to be "rare" your have to be "Really Rare" before it counts.

If you want to know where the FRS is going to be value-wise in 50 years or so, just look at the Datsun 240Z since it would be the most comparable to the FRS niche.

ToySub1946 12-19-2016 06:22 PM

"Hard to tell, but you are trying to be funny right?" Well, yes. (Possibly my Rochesterian humor, or just me, somewhat dry).


Yea, I would expect by now, the Z would bring more than current bids on this car:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-datsun-240z-20/

Edit: 12-20-16. Sold Today 1973 Datsun 240Z for $25,500. This car would have cost around $4000. new. With inflation to 2016, that's about $22,261 in today's dollars. So it sold now for a little more than it's new car price.


Though surprised I am, what some Porsches from 60s to 80s are bringing right now...really seemingly big money.

synchromesh 12-20-2016 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2817330)

Get out of the bubble the internet has created for you re-affirming your unfounded biases.

A. There are millions who do understand mechanical things.
B. The vast majority of the 'older generation' didn't understand those things at all and had their head up their ass with their radio soap operas browsing department store catalogs for frivolous shit instead of Amazon or whatever was trendy that decade that time forgot because it was just as stupid as caring too much about buzzfeed articles.


Look, I told you I didn't want to battle. They aren't unfounded.


If you want 20 dollars now, I wont hesitate even though they are hard earned.

Yardjass 12-20-2016 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2817330)
Please tell me what tires, oil, radiator fluid, rubber hoses, rubber belts, batteries, and lubricants never need replacing, especially after 50 years. I'm sure many of us would greatly appreciate the tip.

Not to mention your free mechanic to do a tune up on a 50 year old super car.

All cars need maintenance, the ones worth money usually double or triple the costs of the ones that aren't.


And here I was thinking that was all maintenance costs, not storage, which is what I said.


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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2817330)
Get out of the bubble the internet has created for you re-affirming your unfounded biases.

A. There are millions who do understand mechanical things.
B. The vast majority of the 'older generation' didn't understand those things at all and had their head up their ass with their radio soap operas browsing department store catalogs for frivolous shit instead of Amazon or whatever was trendy that decade that time forgot because it was just as stupid as caring too much about buzzfeed articles.

This isn't just a car thing. These clowns can't do things like fix a toilet or operate a lawnmower either. If this isn't more wide spread now, I'd be very surprised.

Tcoat 12-20-2016 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Yardjass (Post 2817750)
This isn't just a car thing. These clowns can't do things like fix a toilet or operate a lawnmower either. If this isn't more wide spread now, I'd be very surprised.

There has always been and will always be a majority of the population that does not know how or WANT to know how to do everything. The very first records of humans (cave paintings) show people doing very specialized activates with some hunting, some performing ceremonies, some prepping food, etc.
There are currently millions that do indeed do their own car work but the majority do not. Why should they fix their own car, toilet or lawnmower? Are there not professionals for these things? Have there not been mechanics, plumbers and handymen for all of history? It isn't even a matter that people "can't" do it but many just have better things to do. To look down on people because they do things themselves that you do is just foolish. Do you not pay anybody to do anything for you at all? For the past 10 years I have paid people to do things that I used to get paid for and that is just the way it is.

NOHOME 12-20-2016 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ToySub1946 (Post 2817403)


Though surprised I am, what some Porsches from 60s to 80s are bringing right now...really seemingly big money.

It is a Darwinian thing...There has to be a "Stupid Tax" or else these guys would breed too fast.

strat61caster 12-20-2016 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by synchromesh (Post 2817684)
Look, I told you I didn't want to battle. They aren't unfounded.

If you want 20 dollars now, I wont hesitate even though they are hard earned.

Anecdotal evidence is as good as a fart in the wind. Feel free to link any studies and I'll change my mind (hard to do, this stuff wasn't being studied 30+ years ago, not much valid data pointing back that far). So anecdotal vs. anecdotal, I wasn't around 40 years ago, but tcoat and humfrz were, my parents were, things weren't so different.

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Originally Posted by Yardjass (Post 2817750)
This isn't just a car thing. These clowns can't do things like fix a toilet or operate a lawnmower either. If this isn't more wide spread now, I'd be very surprised.

lol you know 'handyman' used to be a valid profession right? Maybe grandpa could unclog a toilet or clean a carburetor, but odds are his neighbor couldn't and either called someone or paid his neighbor a case of beer to get the lawnmower going or replace the heater coil in the dryer.

The vast majority never had a clue, don't let nostalgia fool you.

Tcoat 12-20-2016 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2817882)
Anecdotal evidence is as good as a fart in the wind. Feel free to link any studies and I'll change my mind (hard to do, this stuff wasn't being studied 30+ years ago, not much valid data pointing back that far). So anecdotal vs. anecdotal, I wasn't around 40 years ago, but tcoat and humfrz were, my parents were, things weren't so different.



lol you know 'handyman' used to be a valid profession right? Maybe grandpa could unclog a toilet or clean a carburetor, but odds are his neighbor couldn't and either called someone or paid his neighbor a case of beer to get the lawnmower going or replace the heater coil in the dryer.

The vast majority never had a clue, don't let nostalgia fool you.


The distractions were the same only the medium in how we received them was different. Whole cities would shut down for TV shows or sporting events since you only got one shot to see them when there was no way to record it for later or pull it up on demand. Commuters (and drivers) had their noses buried in newspapers and magazines instead of phones so still did not even acknowledge each other's presence. All in all pretty much the same as now.


When I got out of the Army I worked in a hardware store for a couple of years. It was a very popular one that drew people from all around the city. I bet that less than half were actually doing the work themselves though. Many were buying materials for others to do the task or looking for somebody to do even the simplest thing for them. I more than doubled my income by doing "handyman" type jobs. Some of these were as simple as putting a new flapper in a toilet for $5 or as complex as running all new plumbing or wiring for a project for several hundred. In many of these cases the customer had more than enough skill to do the task but they just didn't want to have to do it for one reason or another. Now I am the guy walking into a store and asking if somebody can do the work just because I don't want to. The others had no clue and had no reason to want to learn since there was people to do it for them. Ability and desire are two totally different things and should not be confused.

Ultramaroon 12-20-2016 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2817762)
It isn't even a matter that people "can't" do it but many just have better things to do.

You shut your whore mouth!

Tcoat 12-20-2016 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2817909)
You shut your whore mouth!

Well they do! How can I fix my toilet and be here at the same time?

Ultramaroon 12-20-2016 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2817914)
Well they do! How can I fix my toilet and be here at the same time?

I thought you had a team here. Or are they currently fixing your shitter?

Tcoat 12-20-2016 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2817920)
I thought you had a team here. Or are they currently fixing your shitter?

They get two weeks off for Christmas. Something to do with having to build toys.


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