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allowe 11-25-2016 03:41 AM

Rust proofting
 
Is it worth it to rust proof my 2013 frs? I do live in canada. Me and a friend were having that debate and he claims that for the first 3-5 years, it's not necessary.

If yes and you do live in Canada, where did you or recommend I get my car rust proofed


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FujiwaraTofu86 11-25-2016 09:10 AM

Just got my rust proof yesterday at Krown.

Well its really depends, is your car on lease or finance. you planning to keep it down the road??

As for me I'm going to drive it till the wheel fall off so I do not want rust later down the road.

119 plus taxes was how much it cost. Do it once a year and you get their life time rust free warranty.

compare to how much money we spend on mods, 119 is not that big of a deal.

edited: I live in ontario as well.

Mr.Impreza 11-25-2016 11:42 AM

I hear these cars are rust buckets....so I'd suggest to not even drive the car in the winter if you plan to keep it long time since Ontario loves salt.

But if your keen to drive it year round or don't have the opportunity to store it than yes. Rust proof this car.

While were on the subject, should I rust proof my 2017 Accord? Anybody know how they handle rust? I traded my 2014 in recently but it seemed to be clean without any signs of rust.

allowe 11-25-2016 11:44 AM

Thank you both! It's my only vehicle so yes I need to drive it all year round. I'm not guna lie, there is a tiny rust spot inside the trunk of my car ( so tiny but it's there).


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Tcoat 11-25-2016 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza (Post 2803337)
I hear these cars are rust buckets....so I'd suggest to not even drive the car in the winter if you plan to keep it long time since Ontario loves salt.

But if your keen to drive it year round or don't have the opportunity to store it than yes. Rust proof this car.

While were on the subject, should I rust proof my 2017 Accord? Anybody know how they handle rust? I traded my 2014 in recently but it seemed to be clean without any signs of rust.

Where did you hear they are "rust buckets"? I am rust free after two winters and expect it to last for years. The day of rusting away in 3 or 4 years is long gone (except for Mazdas for some reason). Walk through any parking lot and see just how few 10 or 15 year old cars have rust on them. I remember a day when a 5 year old car would be literally falling apart (looking at you 80s Fords and Dodges) but now there ay be a tiny speck in a seam someplace and people freak out.
The value of rustproofing is questionable these days but as Fuji said for $119 it sure can't hurt.

go_a_way1 11-25-2016 12:03 PM

I had them spray the "rust proofing" in my car (just goes into all the seams and such) I doubt its necessary with modern cars though. In fact general motors says in the warranty booklet you get with all new vehicles that aftermarket rust proofing is not necessary anymore.... even though we sell it daily to people lol

allowe 11-25-2016 12:04 PM

Wow my car was sprayed by krown but for some reason, it's got rust near the holes that they made...


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allowe 11-25-2016 12:07 PM

lol I know that fee can't hurt but I'm DYING to get my car tuned which I'm saving Up for currently. Saving here and there just to get it tuned. Drove someone's tuned frs with I/h/e. That thing was a beauty to drive!


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Mr.Impreza 11-25-2016 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2803341)
Where did you hear they are "rust buckets"? I am rust free after two winters and expect it to last for years. The day of rusting away in 3 or 4 years is long gone (except for Mazdas for some reason). Walk through any parking lot and see just how few 10 or 15 year old cars have rust on them. I remember a day when a 5 year old car would be literally falling apart (looking at you 80s Fords and Dodges) but now there ay be a tiny speck in a seam someplace and people freak out.
The value of rustproofing is questionable these days but as Fuji said for $119 it sure can't hurt.

This? (Start at 7.15)

Anyways good to know I don't have to deal with all that rust proofing nonsense.

https://youtu.be/17fo2DT-77U



Cole 11-25-2016 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza (Post 2803349)
This? (Start at 7.15)

Anyways good to know I don't have to deal with all that rust proofing nonsense.

https://youtu.be/17fo2DT-77U



Interesting, because the only rust I have on my car, is on uncoated bolts and where I have paint chips

Funny that you take one anecdotal case as gospel, especially since you have zero personal experience with winter driving your car.

allowe 11-25-2016 12:22 PM

.I do have rust near on the edges of the holes krown drilled ages ago im guessing


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Cole 11-25-2016 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by allowe (Post 2803352)
.I do have rust near on the edges of the holes krown drilled ages ago im guessing


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Having worked at a krown when I was younger, you need to do it every year for it to work. You're kinda boned now. Best advice I can give is to use wd-40 on all those holes (it'll displace water) or get a corrosion inhibitor. You can also use a nail polish clear coat on those holes, and that'll work to seriously slow it down too.

Tcoat 11-25-2016 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza (Post 2803349)
This? (Start at 7.15)

Anyways good to know I don't have to deal with all that rust proofing nonsense.

https://youtu.be/17fo2DT-77U



Wow that guy is a true douche in so many ways! So because the car has stamped or cast steel components it will become a rust bucket "eventually"?


LOL NEWSFLASH: All cars are made with stamped or cast steel components. Every freaking one of them! What did he expect to find under there titanium and carbon fiber?


This is the sort of bullshit misinformation which is spread so easily now. Ya the guy can express an opinion but he states his as undeniable fact yet most of what he says is pure crap. Dude in the video if you are on here (probably one of the big whiners) step up and let's discuss your "facts".


Come on Imp I know you are better than to fall for that stuff!

MurderousPandas 11-25-2016 12:52 PM

Where i live, we have high humidity, heat, and salty water, and i have yet to see signs of rust in the past 4 years. I don't have harsh winters as i live in a more tropical area, but my car is holding up very well.

"Chasing speed with patience"

Tcoat 11-25-2016 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MurderousPandas (Post 2803363)
Where i live, we have high humidity, heat, and salty water, and i have yet to see signs of rust in the past 4 years. I don't have harsh winters as i live in a more tropical area, but my car is holding up very well.

"Chasing speed with patience"

Yep, warm costal areas can be as bad or worse for rusting cars than northern places where it freezes half the year. People freak out over the salt we get on the cars here but the salt does nothing it is the moisture it attracts and holds that is the issue. When cold enough there is no free moisture to trap and hold so much of the winter is not causing harm. It is the spring and fall where it is salty and damp that the serious damage can occur. Just wash it on a regular basis (sounds counter intuitive but it isn't) so the salt isn't there and no real issues should appear.

Mr.Impreza 11-25-2016 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cole (Post 2803350)
Interesting, because the only rust I have on my car, is on uncoated bolts and where I have paint chips

Funny that you take one anecdotal case as gospel, especially since you have zero personal experience with winter driving your car.

Wow good to know than. I guess this video stuck with me throughout the years and my mind probably kept building a case that these cars rust easy.

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2803356)
Wow that guy is a true douche in so many ways! So because the car has stamped or cast steel components it will become a rust bucket "eventually"?


LOL NEWSFLASH: All cars are made with stamped or cast steel components. Every freaking one of them! What did he expect to find under there titanium and carbon fiber?


This is the sort of bullshit misinformation which is spread so easily now. Ya the guy can express an opinion but he states his as undeniable fact yet most of what he says is pure crap. Dude in the video if you are on here (probably one of the big whiners) step up and let's discuss your "facts".


Come on Imp I know you are better than to fall for that stuff!

Haha, good to know. Yeah as I wrote to Cole...for me I guess this video made me assume that these cars rust easy. I just usually find that guys review knowledgeable so I believed him.

Tcoat 11-25-2016 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza (Post 2803387)
Wow good to know than. I guess this video stuck with me throughout the years and my mind probably kept building a case that these cars rust easy.



Haha, good to know. Yeah as I wrote to Cole...for me I guess this video made me assume that these cars rust easy. I just usually find that guys review knowledgeable so I believed him.

LOL Seeming to be knowledgeable and actually being so are two totally different things.

Sideways 11-25-2016 01:27 PM

I have been getting mine rust proofed every year. I have a mazda also that was never rust proofed and its a rust bucket. Its painful to work on the it, when every time some bolt breaks. I plan to keep my BRZ for a while and don't want to be cursing and yelling when under the car coz everything is rusted and seized in few years.

But as everyone else said, regular car wash is necessary to keep salt off, even if you have your car rust proofed.

Tcoat 11-25-2016 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2803341)
Where did you hear they are "rust buckets"? I am rust free after two winters and expect it to last for years. The day of rusting away in 3 or 4 years is long gone (except for Mazdas for some reason). Walk through any parking lot and see just how few 10 or 15 year old cars have rust on them. I remember a day when a 5 year old car would be literally falling apart (looking at you 80s Fords and Dodges) but now there ay be a tiny speck in a seam someplace and people freak out.
The value of rustproofing is questionable these days but as Fuji said for $119 it sure can't hurt.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sideways (Post 2803394)
I have been getting mine rust proofed every year. I have a mazda also that was never rust proofed and its a rust bucket. Its painful to work on the it, when every time some bolt breaks. I plan to keep my BRZ for a while and don't want to be cursing and yelling when under the car coz everything is rusted and seized in few years.

But as everyone else said, regular car wash is necessary to keep salt off, even if you have your car rust proofed.


Comparing rust on a Mazda to any other car made in the last 15 years really isn't fair!

murk 11-25-2016 03:23 PM

Has anyone had their frs sprayed at krown?
Is there any way to do it without having holes drilled?

I member reading that most modern cars already have holes in the doors and panels for this purpose so that drilling isn't necessary (since the unpainted spots will definitely rust). But judging by some of the responses here, holes are still going to be drilled into the car.

I had my dealer apply undercoat and rust proof when I got the car a year ago and am thinking of going to krown to spray it again this year.

Sideways 11-25-2016 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2803403)
Comparing rust on a Mazda to any other car made in the last 15 years really isn't fair!

I totally agree....but I still get nightmares from working on my rusted mazda.

Just last week, I broke brake bleed screw while trying to bleed my brake....a stupid bleed screw coz it was rusted to hell, took me full day to fix it, what should have taken 20mins.:mad0259:

Tcoat 11-25-2016 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sideways (Post 2803475)
I totally agree....but I still get nightmares from working on my rusted mazda.

Just last week, I broke brake bleed screw while trying to bleed my brake....a stupid bleed screw coz it was rusted to hell, took me full day to fix it, what could have taken 20mins along with winter tire change.:mad0259:


LOL I did frame of restorations on a 64 1/2 Mustang, a 64 Karmann Ghia and a 58 Chev and had less hassles than helping my son in law work on his 2001 Protégé in 2006!

NOHOME 11-25-2016 03:54 PM

Wife and I buy new cars simultaneously every ten years. Previous to the FRS, we both had 2002 Mazda Proteges.

Wife Unit did not do any rust control
I oil sprayed (Krown) every fall.

About year six her car started to show signs of rust. By the end of the ten years, it was what I would call a "Rusty car" but still good enough to pass an Ontario Safety inspection.

My car lagged by about 3 years with rust becoming evident around year 8.

Funny enough, when we went to replace the cars, the dealers only offered $300 in both instances. We just donated them to friends who needed a car and they lasted another 3 and 4 years.

So, all else being equal, the Wife-Unit had an extra $1200 in her new-car account compared to me since she did not spend it on oil spray.

Tcoat 11-25-2016 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NOHOME (Post 2803492)
Wife and I buy new cars simultaneously every ten years. Previous to the FRS, we both had 2002 Mazda Proteges.

Wife Unit did not do any rust control
I oil sprayed (Krown) every fall.

About year six her car started to show signs of rust. By the end of the ten years, it was what I would call a "Rusty car" but still good enough to pass an Ontario Safety inspection.

My car lagged by about 3 years with rust becoming evident around year 8.

Funny enough, when we went to replace the cars, the dealers only offered $300 in both instances. We just donated them to friends who needed a car and they lasted another 3 and 4 years.

So, all else being equal, the Wife-Unit had an extra $1200 in her new-car account compared to me since she did not spend it on oil spray.


Did yours have the anti rust modules installed? My son in laws did and it obviously didn't help since his was very badly rusted after only 5 years. His one front tower was almost rusted through.

Yoshoobaroo 11-25-2016 04:02 PM

These cars come rubber coated from the factory, and the body is fully galvanized. Why the sweat?

Cole 11-25-2016 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2803494)
Did yours have the anti rust modules installed? My son in laws did and it obviously didn't help since his was very badly rusted after only 5 years. His one front tower was almost rusted through.

The modules don't work. You need an electrolyte for the electricity to pass through in order for cathodic protection to work.

Though, getting it for the warranty isn't a bad idea.

NOHOME 11-25-2016 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo (Post 2803495)
These cars come rubber coated from the factory, and the body is fully galvanized. Why the sweat?

Where did you get the information that the body is galvanized? first I have heard.

TCoat: Not sure what "Module" you speak of unless it is one of the snake oil modules sold to electronically replace the electrons consumed during the chemical reaction that converts iron to iron oxide. Wont work on a car for the same reason that sacrificial anodes don't work on cars. I could argue that they could create their own problems by having panels at different potentials.

Yoshoobaroo 11-25-2016 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NOHOME (Post 2803504)
Where did you get the information that the body is galvanized? first I have heard.

https://www.subaru.ca/WebPage.aspx?W...ModelYear=2017

Check exterior features. Couldn't find it on the US site, probably cause most americans don't care.

allowe 11-25-2016 05:18 PM

Rust proofting
 
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The rust spot that's making me panic.. again if it's just the trunk, I could care less because I'm buying a carbon fibre trunk in the future as I wana build this car


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Tcoat 11-25-2016 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cole (Post 2803500)
The modules don't work. You need an electrolyte for the electricity to pass through in order for cathodic protection to work.

Though, getting it for the warranty isn't a bad idea.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOHOME (Post 2803504)
Where did you get the information that the body is galvanized? first I have heard.

TCoat: Not sure what "Module" you speak of unless it is one of the snake oil modules sold to electronically replace the electrons consumed during the chemical reaction that converts iron to iron oxide. Wont work on a car for the same reason that sacrificial anodes don't work on cars. I could argue that they could create their own problems by having panels at different potentials.

You are both correct! It was something Mazda was pushing and didn't do a bloody thing. Works on ships not on cars.
The body is galvanized It is in the development literature someplace. Most bodies are now.

humfrz 11-25-2016 06:12 PM

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The rust spot that's making me panic.. again if it's just the trunk, I could care less because I'm buying a carbon fibre trunk in the future as I wana build this car


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DANG! ...... allowe ....... it's a good thing you weren't around back in the day .... you'd be in the ER by now .....:eyebulge:

Heck, just clean it up and give that area a shot of oil .....;)


humfrz

Tcoat 11-25-2016 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by allowe (Post 2803537)
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The rust spot that's making me panic.. again if it's just the trunk, I could care less because I'm buying a carbon fibre trunk in the future as I wana build this car


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Yep, in 10 or 20 years that spot will start to become an issue! Sand it off slap some touch up on it and it will outlive the rest of the car.

allowe 11-25-2016 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2803568)
Yep, in 10 or 20 years that spot will start to become an issue! Sand it off slap some touch up on it and it will outlive the rest of the car.


Exactly why I'm worried! What worries me more is if there is more in places I can't see


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Tcoat 11-25-2016 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by allowe (Post 2803574)
Exactly why I'm worried! What worries me more is if there is more in places I can't see


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You will be well bored of the car by then.

allowe 11-25-2016 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 2803566)
DANG! ...... allowe ....... it's a good thing you weren't around back in the day .... you'd be in the ER by now .....:eyebulge:



Heck, just clean it up and give that area a shot of oil .....;)





humfrz



Lol I my Sentra spec v had rust spots but that things was a 2004 and I ignored it and it just kept Getting worse


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Yoshoobaroo 11-25-2016 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2803565)
It was something Mazda was pushing and didn't do a bloody thing. Works on ships not on cars.

Haha galvanic protection only works well when the surrounding fluid can transport electrons. Water yes, air no.


-Josh

Tcoat 11-25-2016 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo (Post 2803583)
Haha galvanic protection only works well when the surrounding fluid can transport electrons. Water yes, air no.


-Josh

Yep. Will keep a battle ship intact for almost 100 years. A Mazda for about 3.

nico_rsx 11-26-2016 01:33 AM

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The rust spot that's making me panic.. again if it's just the trunk, I could care less because I'm buying a carbon fibre trunk in the future as I wana build this car


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I thought the hood and trunk on these cars were supposed to be made of aluminium? Did I miss something? Is it only the hood?

headlikeahole 11-26-2016 03:10 AM

I had mine undercoated off the lot in 2013 and the coating is still intact and strong today (no touch ups or undercoating since). I would never get any rust protection that involved drilling holes.


My winter beater (2005 ford focus) had holes drilled for rust check years back until 2012. Didn't stop it from rusting and even better the thing is carrying around gallons of water somewhere in the doors or rockers. Every time I brake or turn it sounds like I'm driving an aquarium.


Another issue I have with rust proofing is it logically doesn't make sense on modern cars. Go have a look at your average rusty car today, 90% of the rust you will find is A: surface rust spreading from a rock chip or dent or B: rust on the edge of panels such as around wheel wells (again most likely from paint chips) Neither of which krown would protect you from.

allowe 11-26-2016 03:41 AM

Hey does anyone have those holes in their car oem


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