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Mr.Impreza 11-24-2016 11:17 PM

Ridiculous R34 GTR prices
 
So I've been looking lately at R35 GTR's (Still keeping the 86(FRS)) and it just shocks me when I see such ridiculous prices for R34's.

http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Nissan/GT...&orup=22_15_34

Okay....I understand...it's a popular car....so I expect a premium...like $40,000.....$50,000 even.....but $109,000?!

I mean you can find a 2014 R35 with the same Kms for almost $20,000 LESS.

I know the R34 is rare....but it's also dated. What do you guys think about the R34 craziness? Will prices keep going up for clean examples like this?

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Summerwolf 11-24-2016 11:47 PM

It is arguably the most iconic japanese sports car. Yes, prices will continue to go up for clean ones. When they become legal for importation.... who knows what will happen.

Plus the one you posted looks like an MNP car, so yeah that will command a premium on a premium.

lowlevel 11-24-2016 11:57 PM

I think this particular car will continue to climb in value for some time... I can't get past it being RHD myself... if you want one you should probably hurry up... lol

KnightRyderx2 11-25-2016 12:03 AM

Its all the awesome cars of the 90's, the appreciation is crazy. It's even happening in Japan too.

I had an Evo 3 back in 2006 while I was living in Japan and a couple weeks ago was thinking about buying one when they legal here in the states. I bought mine for $3500. It was clean with about 85,000 KM on it and only had exhaust and intake. I looked at a site that most of the dealers across Japan use to advertise. An Evo 3 in the same condition as the one I got; $22,000! Holy Crap! Thats at some dealer before its imported here. There is cheaper ones but they are used and abused with high mileage; the Evo 3 is more then the Evo 5 now.

Speaking of the R34, I check the same website back in 2006 and would could get a baseline R34 for about $20,000. I was thinking about importing one, so checking it out. Just looked at it now and the cheapest one is $41,000. That is before it gets here.

Mr.Impreza 11-25-2016 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 2803241)
It is arguably the most iconic japanese sports car. Yes, prices will continue to go up for clean ones. When they become legal for importation.... who knows what will happen.

Plus the one you posted looks like an MNP car, so yeah that will command a premium on a premium.

How limited was that color? Any info?

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Originally Posted by lowlevel (Post 2803243)
I think this particular car will continue to climb in value for some time... I can't get past it being RHD myself... if you want one you should probably hurry up... lol

Yeah...RHD is always a deal breaker for me. If it wasn't I'd be owning a 2001 STI right now as a family car since you can find them in good shape for cheap from Japan. North American models are a different story. First no "real" STI and they all have super high mileage or rusted out.

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Originally Posted by KnightRyderx2 (Post 2803244)
Its all the awesome cars of the 90's, the appreciation is crazy. It's even happening in Japan too.

There is cheaper ones but they are used and abused with high mileage; the Evo 3 is more then the Evo 5 now..

I think this is one of the biggest reasons for the high prices.

Many are abused and have high mileage.

It's why I always tell people that even our twins will be rare and sought out after in the future when 90% of them will be wrecked, abused or have high mileage.

Ammunition 11-25-2016 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza (Post 2803230)
Okay....I understand...it's a popular car....[...]

I know the R34 is rare....but it's also dated. What do you guys think about the R34 craziness? Will prices keep going up for clean examples like this?

Allow me to pass on a bit of dad-advice my father told me awhile ago, when I was complaining to him about a thing being priced ridiculously high, and it in no way being worth that.

The reality of our era is that the cost of something is only in partial 'worth' what we feel it is, or what it 'actually' is (for example, the marvel of the engineering in that car will hold true), but in short, a thing is (queue dad) "worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it."

There are more than a few people that would, and will purchase the car for that - so, there it is :(

BRZ'13 11-25-2016 11:36 AM

i noticed this as well and thought to myself the same. Id still rather have a R35 anyday

Cole 11-25-2016 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BRZ'13 (Post 2803329)
i noticed this as well and thought to myself the same. Id still rather have a R35 anyday

Pretty much this. As sweet as it would be to have an R34, I can't be bothered to drive a RHD car. Too many day to day inconveniences. Plus, I feel like it would be a target for theft and vandalism. I'd probably never feel comfortable parking it somewhere.

SLVRSRFR 11-25-2016 01:21 PM

Maruyichi dabbles in some weird inventory, but I've found a lot of their prices to be on the high side in the past.

That said, even the guys at rightdrive.ca have some R34 GT-Rs and the prices are pretty up there. Nothing under $70k for a clean one with low mileage. Also as mentioned above, that is a very rare and sought-after colour on that particular one.

I'd still rather have an R34 than an R35, despite the fact that an R35 is a technological power-house. The simple fact that I can row my own gears in the R34 makes it a winner in my book.

But if I'm in that price range, I'd probably want a Hakosuka instead...which is literally my number 1, top of my list, money-is-no-object dream car. If someone told me you can have ONE car in the world, any car you want, for free, new or old, I would probably put a couple of others above it simply because of value (ie Ferrari F40 or Porsche Carrera GT), but if I won the lottery, a clean, original, Hakosuka 2000GT-R with the L20 would be the very first car I would buy, no questions asked.

SLVRSRFR 11-25-2016 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cole (Post 2803339)
Pretty much this. As sweet as it would be to have an R34, I can't be bothered to drive a RHD car. Too many day to day inconveniences. Plus, I feel like it would be a target for theft and vandalism. I'd probably never feel comfortable parking it somewhere.

If you had all the money in the world, you could find one of the extremely rare LHD-converted ones that went to Dubai.

Mr.Impreza 11-25-2016 01:29 PM

RHD insurance is very expensive also right?
I heard that there is only a few insurance companies who insure RHD cars.

Mr.Impreza 11-25-2016 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SLVRSRFR (Post 2803389)
If you had all the money in the world, you could find one of the extremely rare LHD-converted ones that went to Dubai.

That would just make the owner even more paranoid to drive it haha. I'm with Cole on this. If I bought this R34 I'd be way to worried about someone doing something to it since they are extremely rare.

When I still had my WRX...i remembered the non-stop stories of people having 2004-007 STI's stolen from driveways and malls. R34 attracts even more interest from criminals I think.

Cole 11-25-2016 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SLVRSRFR (Post 2803389)
If you had all the money in the world, you could find one of the extremely rare LHD-converted ones that went to Dubai.

I'd pass on that. If we're talking cars in the 100k range, I'd be looking for an R8, most likely. But there's a lot of other cool stuff, and a nearly 20 year old jap car with a touchy AWD system isn't up there on priorities.

SLVRSRFR 11-25-2016 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cole (Post 2803425)
I'd pass on that. If we're talking cars in the 100k range, I'd be looking for an R8, most likely. But there's a lot of other cool stuff, and a nearly 20 year old jap car with a touchy AWD system isn't up there on priorities.

Yeah but read my post again. If you had all the money in the world, you could have an R8 AND an LHD R34.

:thumbsup:

Can't fault your logic though. I just find a lot of the new-age exotic cars lack that visceral appeal that the oldies offer. Think F40, early Diablo, Countach, Testarossa, 959 etc. Just raw power and fury.

wbradley 11-25-2016 02:34 PM

Just get an R32/R33. Problem solved.

Mr.Impreza 11-25-2016 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wbradley (Post 2803429)
Just get an R32/R33. Problem solved.

haha, when you think about it, for the cost of the R34, you could buy a R32 & a R35. :thumbup:

Andr3w 11-28-2016 01:57 PM

How difficult/easy is it to buy insurance for a RHD vehicle in Ontario?


The WRX, EVO4-6 and R32 all seem like interesting cars for the winter, however, I don't have the $$$ to actually get one right now to find out.

SLVRSRFR 11-28-2016 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Andr3w (Post 2804895)
How difficult/easy is it to buy insurance for a RHD vehicle in Ontario?


The WRX, EVO4-6 and R32 all seem like interesting cars for the winter, however, I don't have the $$$ to actually get one right now to find out.

I know a guy who specializes in RHD insurance.

It isn't easy from what I hear, but it's possible.

Tcoat 11-28-2016 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Andr3w (Post 2804895)
How difficult/easy is it to buy insurance for a RHD vehicle in Ontario?


The WRX, EVO4-6 and R32 all seem like interesting cars for the winter, however, I don't have the $$$ to actually get one right now to find out.


The last thing you want in the winter is a RHD car! Passing and left turns are an adventure during perfect weather and I would not want to even think of them in the snow. Besides bringing them over is expensive so you need to really want the car for what it is not as a winter beater.

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Originally Posted by SLVRSRFR (Post 2804970)
I know a guy who specializes in RHD insurance.

It isn't easy from what I hear, but it's possible.

Met a guy with a pristine RHD Evo 3 at a meet during the summer. Car cost $40K and shipping, permits, inspections, taxes, duty and what sounded like bribe money cost $25K. He said he had no issue getting insurance and it was no more than he was paying on his 08 Evo X when it was new.

SLVRSRFR 11-28-2016 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2805018)

Met a guy with a pristine RHD Evo 3 at a meet during the summer. Car cost $40K and shipping, permits, inspections, taxes, duty and what sounded like bribe money cost $25K. He said he had no issue getting insurance and it was no more than he was paying on his 08 Evo X when it was new.

I think, just like any car, your driving record and postal code might muddy the waters a bit.

If you have high insurance already and you're driving a bone-stock Hyundai Accent, and you live in Brampton, you're going to have a pretty steep hill to climb trying to get an RHD car insured.

Whereas if your record is perfect, and you live in the sticks, you would probably stand a better chance.

Tcoat 11-28-2016 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SLVRSRFR (Post 2805147)
I think, just like any car, your driving record and postal code might muddy the waters a bit.

If you have high insurance already and you're driving a bone-stock Hyundai Accent, and you live in Brampton, you're going to have a pretty steep hill to climb trying to get an RHD car insured.

Whereas if your record is perfect, and you live in the sticks, you would probably stand a better chance.

Yep. But it will have little or nothing to do with it being RHD. Call your insurance up and ask how much they will charge for replacement value on a 20 year old car that you have sunk $65K into. Once they get over their laughing fit they will figure out a price based on all your particulars. Not even convinced they would ask or care which side it is driven from.

Yardjass 11-29-2016 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza (Post 2803247)
It's why I always tell people that even our twins will be rare and sought out after in the future when 90% of them will be wrecked, abused or have high mileage.


You need not look any further than the 240SX community to know that you're right. In fact, at the rate the twins are depreciating, it won't be long until their values get close to that of a nice 240. It will be interesting to see how that clash affects things.



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Originally Posted by Cole (Post 2803425)
I'd pass on that. If we're talking cars in the 100k range, I'd be looking for an R8, most likely. But there's a lot of other cool stuff, and a nearly 20 year old jap car with a touchy AWD system isn't up there on priorities.


R8, Z06, ACR, 911, and 4c are just a few that come to mind for me. I'd never even consider buying an R34, not even for half that price point unless I was so filthy rich I was literally just going out and buying every nice car that I even liked a little bit.

Andr3w 12-01-2016 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2805018)
The last thing you want in the winter is a RHD car! Passing and left turns are an adventure during perfect weather and I would not want to even think of them in the snow. Besides bringing them over is expensive so you need to really want the car for what it is not as a winter beater.


In a perfect world, maybe a winter weekend car?


One can dream haha

FX86 12-01-2016 06:00 PM

but it was used in the fast and furious, 'member?

Tokay444 12-01-2016 06:15 PM

I wouldn't really consider it rare, just because it was never sold in North America.

VRYALT3R3D 12-17-2016 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 2807024)
I wouldn't really consider it rare, just because it was never sold in North America.

Less than 15k made worldwide is pretty rare in my book.

Tokay444 12-18-2016 01:41 AM

Not really, in my books.

krayzie 12-18-2016 03:08 AM

Maruyichi Auto always have a two page ad on the free Chinese car classifieds that you can pickup at some Asian restaurant store fronts and food courts. It looks like they resell used cars at inflated eBay prices (usually anything JDM or rare). They are affiliated with MS Auto (probably same owners).

I remember they posted a S2000 CR asking for $50k+ but the real turn off is that the listing reads BC Racing coilovers LMFAO! Only hypebeasts would pay that kind of resell in cash.

VRYALT3R3D 12-18-2016 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by krayzie (Post 2816700)
Maruyichi Auto always have a two page ad on the free Chinese car classifieds that you can pickup at some Asian restaurant store fronts and food courts. It looks like they resell used cars at inflated eBay prices (usually anything JDM or rare). They are affiliated with MS Auto (probably same owners).

I remember they posted a S2000 CR asking for $50k+ but the real turn off is that the listing reads BC Racing coilovers LMFAO! Only hypebeasts would pay that kind of resell in cash.

Yeah their prices are. They have 3 R34 GT-Rs that have been sitting unsold for a year now. I know this because I looked into buying their Bayside blue GT-R back in March.


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