how likely is it that we will see any of these on the 2014 model frs?
 

push button start

HID headlights

small increase to horse power

flattening out of the torque dip in the power band.

lighter curb weight

do you think any or all of these will be a possibility for the 2014 model? i know i saw a post on here about an improved intake system for the next model, so it's got me thinking. i plan on at least waiting till the 2014's are anounced before i buy.

That would be a pretty substantial redesign/re-engineering for one year. My guess would be that at least the power and curb weight differences would wait 2-3 years.

Well, as far as thoughts...

PBS--probably not.
HIDs.--probably not, but they may offer it as an option (along with a completely new headlight housing, which will cost probably $400, since Toyota likes to do the whole thing as a plug-and-play as opposed to taking apart the headlamp)
HP increase--doubt it
Torque curve "fix"--probably not. Reference the numerous threads about that dip to see that there apparently is a reason for it, and a consequence if they remove it.
Weight decrease--highly doubt it.

and if you wait until they announce the 2014, you will be getting a 2014, I can almost guarantee it, based on how many people are still waiting for their FR-Ss

a couple new colors -- probably!

they better offer the JDM headlights next year, still holding out for those headlights will not buy shitty headlights

I was going to start a post like this, I can easily see them adding JDM headlights to the USDM market as an option/upgrade just to squeeze that much more money out of the car. It would be very wise if you asked me.

The lack of ANY features available even as an after-purchase is what's kept me from getting one and what's steering me towards the BRZ. I get it, you want us to make it our own. Well...give us the parts to without importing from Japan dammit! :P

This. Dammit Scion.

Release Series maybe

Push button start
Yes in the Release Series 1.0

HID headlights
Standard across the line (the car needs this)

Small increase to horse power
not gonna happen the car does not need any more power

Flattening out of the torque dip in the power band.
Will happen because this is just a tuning issues...

Lighter curb weight
Not going to happen, the car is already light as it can be, will happen in the next generation if there is one...

I'll ask the newbie question since I'm still an official newb on this one. Are we getting the RS and I missed it? Thought that was a Japan deal.

Release Series, or RS, is a Scion thing. They usually just throw a body kit on, add some Release Series numbered badges, give it a unique color and sometimes they put cool stuff like lowering springs, different exhaust and PBS. All of it is going to bring the FRS cost up to at least where the limited is.

I saw something on here about a redesign to the intake manifold as well, but there is nothing saying it will be out next year. Hopefully, if they do redesign it, they can also retune to work out that torque dip, but I think there will always be some sort of dip there unless they sacrifice some top end power.

disclaimer: I don't have any connections and got all my information from this site. Don't take it as fact.

HIDs most likely won't be available. If you want more features, there's always the BRZ.
The torque dip is a consequence of tuning for higher RPM power and isn't going away without some sacrifice of top end performance, so it most likely won't change without some engine revisions.

It sounds like these are all things you want, but that doesn't mean they will appear.

In the UK and other countries where both twins are available it looks like the Subie is the more basic of the two in terms of features with the Toyota having ~2 trim levels.

Looks like they agreed to flip that around for North America.

If this continues then you'll need a BRZ for those features.

Personally, I intend to add the features I care about myself.

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I've only ever seen cars get heavier with increasing model years, unless a redesign is done and a new generation comes out. My guess would be more power in 2015 or 2016.

Add steering controls to the list. Unacceptable for a $25k car not to have them

I enjoy the fact I don't have to deal with buttons on my steering wheel and I think you'll find many others that feel the same, that doesn't mean having them is wrong. I just think it's a design decision in the end.

-edit, units with a touchscreen stereo might benefit. (think that also goes along with BoostinIX's post though as the limited BRZ is equipped with the nav)
So long as we aren't all forced to go one way or the other if buttons are introduced it'll be alright.

I could see the Limited BRZ get them.

The same chance of me having a Ménage à trois with twins. :bonk:

We get the Push button start and the HID in the Automatic mid trims in Dubai.

Cheers

The Release Series = PBS (Peanut Butter Sandwich), Body Kit, Lowering Springs, Maybe Sway Bars? Seem reasonable?

As far as what will be available next year, I believe there is an accessory sheet listing when things are supposed to come out for the car.

I would like an option for HID's and since Scion is such a customizable brand I wish they would do like they did with the 1st gen XB and offer different tail light options. Red tails anyone?

New intake manifold to cure the dip for 2014
Center console offer or included

A new intake and exhaust may show up as a special order model.

For the BRZ it will be the STI for Scion, don't know the name of that upgraded model

Companies do this on purpose to add them as "upgrades" later on.

I've been use to it for the past 5 years with my xB. I would not be happy driving without them, plus its much safer to keep both hands on the wheel and looking straight than fumbling with stereo buttons and looking away.

Maybe they'll add them as an option for those who like me, really like them.

I like the idea of Scion keeping it simple and affordable without increasing the cost with things that are inconsequential such as HID's, PBS, Heated seats, etc.

However, I absolutely agree that Scion should have these options AVAILABLE to add-on at time of purchase. Dealers make money on add-ons and from a sales viewpoint it's illogical to release the car without valuable add-ons (the rear bumper "applique" is NOT a valuable add-on).

I'm going to have the dealership tint my windows but if the option was available to me I would have paid extra to have heated seats and HID's.

Also, the argument of "just get the BRZ" isn't going to fly. I don't like front bumper of the BRZ and the cost-benefit-analysis doesn't pan out to buy a BRZ (for the options) then spend the extra money to buy a FRS front bumper and have it paint matched.

Now, if Subaru gave me an options of front bumpers at no extra charge... I'd have visited a Subby dealership instead... maybe. After all, a lot of them are marking them up and that's a turn-off.

While safer to keep both hands on the wheel is true. For as long as I've been driving I haven't really had to fumble with buttons on a stereo much less look away to make adjustments needed while driving (the same goes with HVAC controls). I think as drivers we have to worry more about people texting than fumbling with a stereo.

I think it'd be great if they did add it as an option, so long as it is just that: an option. It's been far too long for a car to be released and not automatically fitted with buttons to the wheel.

I highly doubt any of these features will be added on, especially if the BRZ will stick around. There has to be some difference between the two cars, I see it set up as Fr-S is base, BRZ premium is a higher trim, and BRZ limited is the highest trim. Also it took 7 release series to put the little push start to the tC. The new R.S 8 tC does not have it but instead has paddle shifters on the automatic so for R.S Fr-S you can probably bet on a different 5axis kit and some random color scheme, my guess is yellow or some blue with suspension and a shift knob and whatever other little tid bits they usually do.

I'm sure the accessories like HID's, PBS, and others will be offered as dealer installed add , but they won't re-tune the engine or change the body to be lighter. The torque dip in mid range is the sacrifice you make to have all the power at 7000 rpm. And do you really think the could improve on 100hp per liter?

This is the car that will be offered for several years to come. You want it lighter, take out the spare tire, or get a fiberglass rear window. Want more HP add a turbo, or supercharger. They have done all the hard work to make this a gear sports car.

Keep in mind it's $25k. If you want a lighter, higher horsepower car there is always a Lotus!

I want nav as an option and maybe some new dash material.

Push button start: Release series based upon what they did with the Tc

HID headlights: Sadly, I don't think this will make it as an option until the MMC (mid model change) or maybe a release series, but we'll see.

Increase in horsepower: Not going to happen in 2014. Small chance in the MMC.

Torque dip issue: They might do something to address this for next year, but I would also expect a MMC here.

Lighter curb weight: Not going to happen.

"customizable" brand, HA! I'm fighting with my local dealer to get Toyota parts for an FR-S let alone anything after market to count as customizable. Not to mention a single trim level with no options? Customizable lol They don't know the meaning of the word.

They left them out on purpose, to keep it closer to a purist driver's car. It was said in an interview a long while back.

With ya there, only I'm not going the BRZ route.

Then how do you explain the Toyota 86 everywhere else in the world? It's only North America that's getting stuck with the Scion base model only (Scion does not exist outside of N.A.). The GT 86 Limited is actually better equipped than the BRZ Limited from what I've heard. Everywhere else, the Toyota fills all ranges as does the BRZ, only N.A. is getting the shaft, which is :bs:

RS Series hopefully - that's what I'm waiting for. If it doesn't come in 2014 then I'll decide on Subaru or Scion at that point.

[QUOTE=Saber_TRD;309700]"customizable" brand, HA! I'm fighting with my local dealer to get Toyota parts for an FR-S let alone anything after market to count as customizable. Not to mention a single trim level with no options? Customizable lol They don't know the meaning of the word.

Its a new car.... what do you expect? There probably is not a lot of in stock parts for this car yet and I wouldnt expect there to be for at least a couple of more months.

That's the thing, here in NA we got the car as a Scion which is a mono-spec brand, if it were branded as a Toyota here I'm sure it would have gotten different trim levels as well. The Toyota 86 GTS is almost the exact equivalent to the BRZ limited here with respect to Subaru and Toyota interior and exterior differences. The Scion Fr-S has a little bit more standard equipment, otherwise its almost equivalent to the 86 GT model.
http://www.toyota.com.au/86/range?WT..._RangeandSpecs

That's the AUS spec, that site also lacks description and images of the AUS 86 GT to accurately compare. The Scion actually has more in common with the G 86 from Japan, with a few options. Someone on this site said about 80% G 86, 20% GT 86, I'd agree with that assessment.

G 86: http://toyota.jp/86/001_p_001/grade/grade3/index.html
GT 86: http://toyota.jp/86/001_p_001/grade/grade2/index.html

My main complaint here is that we, in N.A., are not being given the option of going with the higher spec. We're getting screwed thanks to Scion.

Gotcha. And yes I agree that's why I got a BRZ :D

There making more money actually this way people are buying jdm parts here in united states..

Technically the BRZ is getting screwed over here too, not as bad as the Scion, but missing out on some things. The Limited is very, very close though. I won't be touching it though, my brand loyalty and the only Subaru dealership in a 2 hour driving radius has more fraud charges than a rechargeable battery.

Although I know that is true, as I've seen the posts, I still find it hard to believe. I've been fighting with my dealership for a month just to get part numbers and prices. I did all the work of finding out what parts I need, they just have to give me the numbers and they can't even do that or at least haven't been able to yet.

Hope you can work something out..

All these threads about " should i wait for the 2014 2018 2024 fr-s "just means this guy will never actually buy one....the fr-s is here now, in a world of cookie cutter cars this one stands out, just buy it now instead of waiting for a " better" model. Cmon already

Look what happened to the wrx guys..the 2013 looks like a kia 4 door.....so just keep waiting and waiting man thats a good idea, im gonna go do a couple burnouts in mine while you are " waiting" for some factory hids and push start...