First time this happened to me...
 

A friend compared the "over-hyped" BRZ to a Cobalt SS...*sigh*

you have dumb friends..

+1

Yeah.... :(

did you open hand slap him? That's what I've would've done... and none of my other friends' would've stopped me, lol.... cuz yea, I have a friend just like that...

This one dude compared it to a celica, is he dumb too ? lol

I don't know what it is about Cobalt owners, they all seem to have a chip on their shoulder. I wish people could just be happy with what they have and not have this need to prove that it's better than everything else.

Haters, Haters everywhere.

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I went through a long list of differences...not sure if it got through to him or not. But I completely agree. I know 2 people that have or had a Cobalt SS and they both swear that its one of the greatest cars ever produced. I guess they have never driven a.....well anything else :P

The Turbo model really is a great car if you look past the terrible interior (except for good seats). Held FWD 'Ring record for a while. 14.1 stock, flat foot shift, launch control, usable back seat. Nearly bought one a while back but I was tired of owning rattling GMs

From a performance standpoint, I don't see the problem here. A 2009 Cobalt SS ran the Nurburgring in something like 8:22, which is a very good time for a 4cyl vehicle with 250 or so HP. I'd be quite happy with the BRZ running it in that same time.

It won 1st in class and 46th overall

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6598

Lap time, I'm not sure yet, but it should be around the ballpark

that cobalt stomps the s2k regularly in scca runoffs and i dont see you complaining about the comparisons between the brz and the s2k. maybe the cobalt owners are stupid, i wouldnt really know, but i dont see how a post like this makes you any better. at the very least they have the significantly faster, significantly cheaper car.

Maybe some day you will realize there is more to a car than numbers. If all you care about is getting the fastest lap times for your money, fine go buy a Cobalt SS. It's a free country. I don't see the part of the post where he's trashing the Cobalt SS, rather the Cobalt owner was trashing the "overhyped" BRZ. People don't complain about the comparisons to s2k because they were designed for similar purpose, driver enjoyment. Cobalt SS is just another econobox with a good turbo motor, and yet every owner seems to think it's the best thing since the 911. People are blinded by numbers, they think if a car makes more hp and faster laptimes for less money, it must be better right? And yet if you actually drive the Cobalt and then drive the BRZ which do you think most people would chose, even if the BRZ costs more?

im not saying that. im saying that to scoff at the idea is stupid. maybe someday you will realize that there is more to a car than rwd or boxer motors or any other singular aspect people compare on the internet. its just crazy that when someone "compares" a car to the brz they are haters but this very thread is full of stomping all over other peoples opinions and making stereotypes and few seem to call that out

I don't think anyone is saying that at all. I personally can appreciate the Cobalt SS as a great car for what it is, I definitely would never trash someone for owning one, but for me personally it just isn't what I want. And yet somehow if a Cobalt owner hates on the BRZ, that is fine with you. I'm just saying people should have a little perspective before they go saying their Cobalt is better than the "overhyped" BRZ, because it has more hp and is faster around a track. That isn't really a valid way to compare cars. Drive them both, and then say which one you enjoyed more.

i think we might be more on the same page than not (afterall were here on this forum and not the cobalt forum) but when i look at the majority of these posts, there is a lot of knocking on cobalt owners. assuming they have a chip on their shoulders or they have never driven anything else or they think their car is the best thing since the 911...and the brz is overhyped as far as im concerned. anytime a car sells for more than msrp its overhyped since people think its worth than even what the people who made it think its worth.

This makes me think of the time when Pt cruisers were selling with 5K markups!
Now, that was an overhyped car when it first arrived.

This thread is such a circlejerk...

"Haha, hey guys, guess what? My friend thought that a fast, well-reviewed FRONT WHEEL DRIVE CAR was similar to my pure, minimalistic, superior RIGHT WHEEL DRIVE car. Haha, isn't that funny? Agree with me guys, he's an idiot!"

No it's not, you're just reading what you want. Most people here are agreeing that the SS is a faster car and that it a great one too.

I guess this isn't the thread for you ?

The cobalt SS is the fastest shitty car you can get. It handles really well and with little mods puts down over 300whp. Unfortunately the paint job is crap, the interior is put together by a drunk, the shifter feels like you're forcing your hand through mud, and the door panels fall off easily. I liked the seats and sound system though. As long as you understand it is a GM product, you shouldn't be surprised by it's shoddy craftsmanship.

The same reason I didnt buy one coming from my Z28 hahaha

As far as I am concerned this car is compared to any sporty coupe on the market. All magazines will compare them to not only a RWD coupe but FWD sporty econboxes. The only real comparison of the BRZ is the FRS. The Miata is still smaller and lighter with 2 less seats, the S2000 is like the Miata but more like high performance version from Honda. I can see Nissan/Mazda being the only automaker to take on the FRS/BRZ if they make a Silvia/RX7. Honda has never made a 2+2 RWD small coupe. GM and the other American makes will probably never go into that segment either. If the European brands made a car like this it would cost 50k.

It's because it sells for more than msrp=over hyped?
 

Hyped? I'm not sure that is correct when you say a car is overhyped because it sells for more than msrp? Is the s2k overhyped? No. But it was selling for over $15000 msrp when I first looked at them. Yes a dealer wanted $15000 over. It is just supply and demand. If they made 50 Cobalt SS they would easily sell for more than msrp, does that mean its over hyped. No.

then what in your opinion makes a car hyped? i literally cant think of any other criteria

Good question
 

That is a good question. I would say a car that doesn't stand up to its advertising and disappears in a year or two.

Here is a definition of hype


1. Excessive publicity and the ensuing commotion: the hype surrounding the murder trial.
2. Exaggerated or extravagant claims made especially in advertising or promotional material: "It is pure hype, a gigantic PR job" (Saturday Review).
3. An advertising or promotional ploy: "Some restaurant owners in town are cooking up a $75,000 hype to promote New York as 'Restaurant City, U.S.A.'" (New York).
4. Something deliberately misleading; a deception: "[He] says that there isn't any energy crisis at all, that it's all a hype, to maintain outrageous profits for the oil companies" (Joel Oppenheimer).

It's not exaggerated, a ploy, or misleading.

none of that is quantifiable or even pertains to cars unless you consider price which is excessive. even if it wasnt the hype around this car was much exaggerated. talk about lowest cog in a production car, talk about a 20k price tag, talk about out handling a cayman, talk about 250hp. i dont see how this car is not overhyped

Anyone who knocks a car without having first person experience isn't worth the few sentences it takes to prove them stupid.

Confused.
 

I'm a little confused about where you are coming from? :iono:

You seem angry at something and even that I can figure out.

You are a sen member of this forum, but seem to be someone that would never buy the car that this forum is about.

Just some questions. That's all.

im not mad. i just sound like that all the time. dont let the fact that i think it is overhyped be confused with the fact that i dont love the car. i think its a great car. that doesnt change the fact that its overhyped.

Hype
 

Hyped could be great. More aftermarket parts!!

try 9:09. i know this car isnt really about numbers (and i despise using nurburg as a metric) but people scoffing at the cobalt when it is that much faster just seems to be text book fanboyism

its not all bad. hopefully this car lives its life out like the miata has. hopefully the hype dies we get a car meant for drivers that lasts for decades

I'm not scoffing at the SS

I think it is a very nice car, I'm just saying what the 86 did :iono:

i didnt mean to direct that towards you. your quote just had the information i was speaking to.

Ah misunderstood then :happy0180:

They're actually very capable cars...the only buzz kill is they're fwd...

But yet the makers of the Echo 1 of the ugliests and worst cars ever produced are somehow superior? not to mention a huge lawsuit for having unsafe vehicles yeah thats quality. When their best RWD car isnt even in the same atmosphere as anything Chevy has RWD except the V6 camaro which its still slower than,and Subaru did all the production and heavy lifting and they havent made a sports car since the MR2 Spyder oh i forgot about the overpriced 400k LFA that gets trounced on by a GTR a car 1/4th of its price all from the company thats supposed to give us value and quality.Do i need to go on? Look the "Subaru twins" are great budget sports car very great infact,but all Kool Aid aint good Kool Aid....everytime somethings faster everyone reverts back to "this is only a fun car" but yet its supposed to do so many things better than everything else,but in reality it doesent,just value this car for being fun....after all going fast isnt important in a sports car right?:rolleyes:

Your right it isnt a very valid way to compare "CARS" But its a tradition and a lifestyle to compare "SPORTS CARS" by this standard....you and others need to get real,or do we just need to make a new catagory and call it the "FUN CARS" I guess the twins and the Miata can own this segment since the FWD Mini,Abarth,Mazda 2,Honda Civic & Fit....would be unfairly disqualified by the lightweight low power RWD snobs and the Elise is to fast and expensive. 1 more thing are you absolutely sure its a more fun to drive car than the Miata? you know the car thats been around for 20+ years thats the best selling "Sports Car" of all time....:burnrubber::search::iono:

.......my point is this car is not so special that its exempt from getting compared to its peers past,present or future cars,and yes it does have peers because its not clearly superior to its rivals just different and its remarkable in many ways and not so much in a few.The bottom line is choices will be made because of these comparisons this is a fact of life in nearly every aspect in our human existence, and each car will have its pro's and cons...just a thought to you folks and fellow enthusiasts.

100% agreed...its a amazing car.:thumbsup: