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ReggiekW 11-04-2016 12:06 AM

FRS Damage opinions.
 
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Not sure where to post this, my '15 FRS was in an accident and I'm just curious as to what people think about the extent of damage. I was quoted close to 9K to fix. Also, should I request that they use OEM parts?

Ultramaroon 11-04-2016 12:16 AM

Looks like it's totaled. There's no way they'll get that crease out of the frame.


edit: Ahhh, there's the picture. Ok, that looks about right. If you can take it for a second opinion, do it.

did the wheel take a good whack? That is key.

Curtski96 11-04-2016 12:24 AM

9k is very generous. I was quoted 5k for a new trunk and paint feathering...

ReggiekW 11-04-2016 12:59 AM

Yes It did take a hit, doesn't show in the picture but its angled into the car and on a 45 to the left when the other wheel is straight

Ultramaroon 11-04-2016 01:11 AM

Control arm, upright, wheel bearing, tie rod, strut, possibly steering gear... There's a whole lot going on. Did they quote for insurance, or are you paying out of pocket? I'm not an expert but it "seems" like 9K is kinda lowballing it.

humfrz 11-04-2016 01:13 AM

UGH ...... too bad about your car ........:sigh:

As far as I know, only OEM body parts are available.

I would be surprised if $9,000 is going to fix it.


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ReggiekW 11-04-2016 01:26 AM

Yeah, its a bummer, It was in great shape. Its not out of pocket, so could be worse. If they don't do OEM parts where would the dealerships get the replacement parts? Thinking about taking it to a Subaru guy, I guess a second estimate is worth it. This shop was recommended by my ins. provider, I wonder if a dealership recommend would be better.

Ultramaroon 11-04-2016 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ReggiekW (Post 2789305)
Yeah, its a bummer, It was in great shape. Its not out of pocket, so could be worse. If they don't do OEM parts where would the dealerships get the replacement parts? Thinking about taking it to a Subaru guy, I guess a second estimate is worth it. This shop was recommended by my ins. provider, I wonder if a dealership recommend would be better.

Definitely get a second opinion. Check in the regional section for recommendations. Do you live in the GTA?

ReggiekW 11-04-2016 02:08 AM

Im prob gonna have it looked at by the dealer, I mean theyd know (hopefully) what should be involved 100%. Other than that GTA is too far and the only place moderately close is a Subaru specialist.

Watch Me Run 11-04-2016 02:56 AM

Was that wheel camber there before that accident? Sure looks like everything involved with that wheel needs to be replaced

ReggiekW 11-04-2016 12:24 PM

No that's new lol. The knuckle, control arm, lower control arm, strut, air duct, and then cosmetics to name a few from the preliminary. I guess they haven't got it on the lift yet, so could be more. Maybe hidden costs. Thanks for the input all.

Tcoat 11-04-2016 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Curtski96 (Post 2789282)
9k is very generous. I was quoted 5k for a new trunk and paint feathering...

I agree. I would have guessed closer to $12K at insurance company rates in Ontario.


As long as there was no structural damage then all should be good after repair. I would try for a full car repaint while they are at it though.

bcj 11-04-2016 12:31 PM

New car dealers never do bodywork. They sell cars and wash swirls into the paint.
They sub that out to body shops.

Look for one with a frame straightening table.

RichardsFRS 11-04-2016 01:03 PM

I had a third of this damage and it was nearly 7k the outside is just one part of it. They start digging it starts adding. These little fuckers crush like tin cans
Say goodbye to any decent trade in. May as well keep the car thru the long ride

fitcious 11-04-2016 01:12 PM

wow that looks nasty - not sure will it drive/look/feel the same after fixing it...

Summerwolf 11-04-2016 01:55 PM

There are a few dealers that still have body shops but they're kind of few and far between.


I would definitely take it to some place else for at least a second opinion. In my experience when a repair shop is a "preferred" facility for insurance I have not gotten the best repair work. That's MY experience, but I found someone I trust and will always send the insurance people to that repair facility instead of taking my car to theirs.


At least in my mind a third party wouldn't have anything to gain by cutting corners on a repair (at least a trusted third party anyways).


I would try and find some place that has great reviews, lets you check out their shop, and has good recommendations in your local car community. Sucks to see your car like that, but I'd be willing to bet that is a bigger repair than you or the original estimator thinks it will be.

darthpnoy1984 11-04-2016 04:13 PM

If you can find a good body shop you can definitely fix that, I've seen FRS's with similar accidents like that getting restored.


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86Boyz 11-04-2016 04:14 PM

I'm surprised no one said that it's TOTALED

Tcoat 11-04-2016 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 86Boyz (Post 2790065)
I'm surprised no one said that it's TOTALED

Only works when you are being ironic!


Probably damned close to being though.

ayyyypex 11-04-2016 05:31 PM

heres a breakdown of your parts and general labour cost. i work in collision and did a similar repair on my frs.

suspension $350-$500 (used, plus bodyshops markup)
fender $400
bumper $400
headlight $800+ (depends on used or not)

pulling that on the frame machine is hard as f*ck. these cars have insanely strong frames. youre looking at about 3 days on the frame machine. 3 days paint and prep. 1 day reassembly. for an insurance job thats about 15k which theyll write off most likely. that apron looks super twisted as well as the rocker.

my car for reference:
https://s12.postimg.org/xci6nadyl/IM...906_081411.jpghow to do a screenshot on a pc

the damage is fixable but i doubt your insurance is gonna wanna go through with fixing it.

insurance is gonna write that off for sure. theres no aftermarket oem parts for these cars. all parts have to be dealer or used. if you have any questions let me know.

darthpnoy1984 11-04-2016 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ayyyypex (Post 2790109)
heres a breakdown of your parts and general labour cost. i work in collision and did a similar repair on my frs.

suspension $350-$500 (used, plus bodyshops markup)
fender $400
bumper $400
headlight $800+ (depends on used or not)

pulling that on the frame machine is hard as f*ck. these cars have insanely strong frames. youre looking at about 3 days on the frame machine. 3 days paint and prep. 1 day reassembly. for an insurance job thats about 15k which theyll write off most likely. that apron looks super twisted as well as the rocker.

my car for reference:
https://s12.postimg.org/xci6nadyl/IM...906_081411.jpghow to do a screenshot on a pc

the damage is fixable but i doubt your insurance is gonna wanna go through with fixing it.

insurance is gonna write that off for sure. theres no aftermarket oem parts for these cars. all parts have to be dealer or used. if you have any questions let me know.



Headlights you can get away with it by going Winjets, Fender and bumper I ended up getting them used but someone with the know how will surely snap your car in a heartbeat.


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ayyyypex 11-04-2016 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984 (Post 2790157)
Headlights you can get away with it by going Winjets, Fender and bumper I ended up getting them used but someone with the know how will surely snap your car in a heartbeat.


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I actually bought the car like this to fix for myself. Easy fix

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darthpnoy1984 11-04-2016 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ayyyypex (Post 2790162)
I actually bought the car like this to fix for myself. Easy fix

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So much misconceptions about salvage cars especially if one does a Mickey Mouse job on it but with proper body work it's a huge $$ saver and you get to learn about the car itself at same time.


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ayyyypex 11-04-2016 07:09 PM

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So much misconceptions about salvage cars especially if one does a Mickey Mouse job on it but with proper body work it's a huge $$ saver and you get to learn about the car itself at same time.


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Yeah for sure. I work in collision as a proper and painter. Attachment 145497Attachment 145498

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geezerbrzeezer 11-04-2016 07:16 PM

OP, the pic just makes me sad.

darthpnoy1984 11-04-2016 11:02 PM

FRS Damage opinions.
 
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Yeah for sure. I work in collision as a proper and painter. Attachment 145497Attachment 145498

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I was fortunate the one on mines I had to replace the core support. Seatbelts and airbags alone can shoot up the repairs fast.


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ReggiekW 11-05-2016 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2789890)
I agree. I would have guessed closer to $12K at insurance company rates in Ontario.


As long as there was no structural damage then all should be good after repair. I would try for a full car repaint while they are at it though.

What do you mean by structural damage?

Tcoat 11-05-2016 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ReggiekW (Post 2790558)
What do you mean by structural damage?

Bent frame/non replaceable body components.
These parts:
http://www.boronextrication.com/wp-c...house_FDIC.jpg

Even they can be repaired but not to the same level as just swapping a fender or reskinning a quarter panel. The mechanical parts of the suspension and steering can all be replaced and you would never know they had been damaged but if the frame mounting points are bent or broken it takes a good shop to get them right again. It can be done but just take a lot more.

darthpnoy1984 11-05-2016 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2790561)
Bent frame/non replaceable body components.
These parts:
http://www.boronextrication.com/wp-c...house_FDIC.jpg

Even they can be repaired but not to the same level as just swapping a fender or reskinning a quarter panel. The mechanical parts of the suspension and steering can all be replaced and you would never know they had been damaged but if the frame mounting points are bent or broken it takes a good shop to get them right again. It can be done but just take a lot more.

One thing I gotta hand it to Toyota and Subaru they made the twins one tough SOB and didn't cheap out especially on the core support which is pure steel unlike other cars Nissan in particular uses plastic core support. They probably knews kids were gonna wreck this and made it a sturdy car.

Tcoat 11-06-2016 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984 (Post 2790816)
One thing I gotta hand it to Toyota and Subaru they made the twins one tough SOB and didn't cheap out especially on the core support which is pure steel unlike other cars Nissan in particular uses plastic core support. They probably knews kids were gonna wreck this and made it a sturdy car.

Doesn't matter what the support is made out of as long as it passes the crash tests. There is however a very good reason why the Twins rate at the very top of their class.

turtlefeeder 11-07-2016 03:18 AM

I doubt 9k would cover it all as ultramaroon mention those are just suspension. Hood fender bumper skirt wheel all this panels. Plus the work for all the repair and paint job.. might as well shop for a new car this 🎄

darthpnoy1984 11-07-2016 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by turtlefeeder (Post 2791396)
I doubt 9k would cover it all as ultramaroon mention those are just suspension. Hood fender bumper skirt wheel all this panels. Plus the work for all the repair and paint job.. might as well shop for a new car this 🎄


Labor costs is what kills it but if you have the know how and of course discounts it can work or either going aftermarket. B is for Build baby :)


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RedFR-s 11-07-2016 12:37 PM

@ReggiekW if you're in KW, try Golden Triangle (www.likenew.ca) they will do the best work. The dealership will just sub out to a collision shop.

turtlefeeder 11-07-2016 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984 (Post 2791572)
Labor costs is what kills it but if you have the know how and of course discounts it can work or either going aftermarket. B is for Build baby :)


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Lol or B is for BROKE/BROKEN XD

darthpnoy1984 11-07-2016 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by turtlefeeder (Post 2791590)
Lol or B is for BROKE/BROKEN XD


Or on a Budget 😂😂😂you mean rofl


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NOHOME 11-07-2016 02:19 PM

Anything can be repaired. I seem to be the president of the "More emotional attachment than brains" club when it comes to these situations.

I am just wrapping up the repair on this MGB mishap; the truth is that is should have been totaled. But the owner wanted it fixed.

http://i.imgur.com/UOWVjlM.jpg

Unless there are extenuating circumstances, and assuming the insurance company plays along, I would write off the OP's car.

darthpnoy1984 11-07-2016 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NOHOME (Post 2791641)
Anything can be repaired. I seem to be the president of the "More emotional attachment than brains" club when it comes to these situations.

I am just wrapping up the repair on this MGB mishap; the truth is that is should have been totaled. But the owner wanted it fixed.

http://i.imgur.com/UOWVjlM.jpg

Unless there are extenuating circumstances, and assuming the insurance company plays along, I would write off the OP's car.



Either some of us have the resources and knowledge in getting these twins back on the road hey at least I've done my part in saving one from the graveyard :) it's like animal rescue lol 😉


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Packofcrows 11-07-2016 03:36 PM

damn, make sure LCA and such are done right or else you'll be pulling side to side and cause uneven wear on tires and frame.


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