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Luftwaffel 11-01-2016 07:11 PM
Ecutek Bluetooth Interface Kit / ECU Connect
 
Hey guys, just saw this posted a couple hours ago. Bluetooth module coming soon with iOS support first, Android to follow. Logging with the ability to directly email from inside app, launch control adjustment, boost control adjustment, valet mode, map switching, and the ability for custom options defined in your tune.

Pricing is estimated at $300 USD or £250 GBP. Supports everything ProECU supports. Live gauges said to be coming soon along with Bluetooth flash capabilities.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdqXWVbiXTo[/ame]


http://i.imgur.com/T8LAayIh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/JqXgRiKh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/YNW7W6xh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ju42aL3h.jpg

For more information, hop over to EcuTeK or Linney Tuning.

go_a_way1 11-01-2016 07:24 PM
But will this support the FRS/BRZ??

Luftwaffel 11-01-2016 07:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by go_a_way1 (Post 2787655)
But will this support the FRS/BRZ??
Yes it says specifically on their website that it supports anything ProECU supports.

go_a_way1 11-01-2016 07:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luftwaffel (Post 2787657)
Yes it says specifically on their website that it supports anything ProECU supports.
Nice! I didn't even think to check their site lmao! I gotta get James Martin to hook me up... but I am still not sure why I want one?

Luftwaffel 11-01-2016 07:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by go_a_way1 (Post 2787664)
Nice! I didn't even think to check their site lmao! I gotta get James Martin to hook me up... but I am still not sure why I want one?
Personally I like this over running Torque, which is what I use for gauges on my Android head unit since I refuse to clutter my dash. Also, Torque and DashCommand kind of suck since they can't access SSM specific things like DAM, FBKC, FLKC.

This is kind of a gateway to even better things. I'm hoping Ecutek adds graphical gauges to this system so it doesn't look like a spreadsheet, maybe something similar to how the latest Cobb units display data.

Also carrying around my laptop is getting old.

go_a_way1 11-01-2016 07:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luftwaffel (Post 2787667)
Personally I like this over running Torque, which is what I use for gauges on my Android head unit since I refuse to clutter my dash. Also, Torque and DashCommand kind of suck since they can't access SSM specific things like DAM, FBKC, FLKC.

This is kind of a gateway to even better things. I'm hoping Ecutek adds graphical gauges to this system so it doesn't look like a spreadsheet, maybe something similar to how the latest Cobb units display data.

Also carrying around my laptop is getting old.

Yeah the laptop thing does kinda suck. I like the valet mode idea with FI so people don't go try and see what the car can do lol

steve99 11-01-2016 09:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by go_a_way1 (Post 2787669)
Yeah the laptop thing does kinda suck. I like the valet mode idea with FI so people don't go try and see what the car can do lol
To have separate valet mode on brz\86 will likely require additional software in ecu, you can do it with current software but it uses up one of the modes vie cruise control stalk.

that video seems gtr specific, but no reason it could not be done on 96\brz

what kind of money do they want for the adapter and software access ?

Kodename47 11-02-2016 03:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by steve99 (Post 2787722)
To have separate valet mode on brz\86 will likely require additional software in ecu, you can do it with current software but it uses up one of the modes vie cruise control stalk.

that video seems gtr specific, but no reason it could not be done on 96\brz

what kind of money do they want for the adapter and software access ?
The GT-R has got new RaceROM V6 files so you will have to use this and this is likely what adds the app/dongle as an input into custom maps. I know there is a new RaceROM patch due for the BRZ so this will provide this functionality.

steve99 11-02-2016 04:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kodename47 (Post 2787875)
The GT-R has got new RaceROM V6 files so you will have to use this and this is likely what adds the app/dongle as an input into custom maps. I know there is a new RaceROM patch due for the BRZ so this will provide this functionality.
do you know what the blutooth thingo costs aprox.

Kodename47 11-02-2016 04:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by steve99 (Post 2787878)
do you know what the blutooth thingo costs aprox.
I'm afraid I have no more info. Litchfield here in the UK have posted up something similar to the video on Facebook. I'll see if I can get hold of one when the BRZ updates are released. ;)

steve99 11-02-2016 05:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kodename47 (Post 2787879)
I'm afraid I have no more info. Litchfield here in the UK have posted up something similar to the video on Facebook. I'll see if I can get hold of one when the BRZ updates are released. ;)
thanks

be good if the realtime logging was a bit more sleak like oft and maybe even setable alerts\alarms as well

wonder if those features will be available via the older usb adapters to a laptop ?.

looks like you might still flash via a usb link, looks like i micro usb port on back of bluetooth dongle

go_a_way1 11-02-2016 09:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by steve99 (Post 2787878)
do you know what the blutooth thingo costs aprox.
Roughly 300 USD (got that info from my tuner who is gonna be selling them)

zc06_kisstherain 11-02-2016 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by go_a_way1 (Post 2787921)
Roughly 300 USD (got that info from my tuner who is gonna be selling them)
wow..that's not cheap

go_a_way1 11-02-2016 02:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain (Post 2788102)
wow..that's not cheap
Nope :/ he told me it would cost a lot then when he gave me the price my jaw dropped lol. Still gonna get it probably lol

Teseo 11-02-2016 02:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by go_a_way1 (Post 2788103)
Nope :/ he told me it would cost a lot then when he gave me the price my jaw dropped lol. Still gonna get it probably lol
#carpriorities

Luftwaffel 11-02-2016 02:53 PM
Live gauges are a yes. Trying to find out about alarms.

Luftwaffel 11-02-2016 03:06 PM
Updated OP with relevant information from Ben Linney.

go_a_way1 11-02-2016 03:07 PM
This needs to support android soon!!

Luftwaffel 11-02-2016 04:15 PM
More information added along with link at the bottom to EcuTeK release.

mokinbird87 11-03-2016 02:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luftwaffel (Post 2788130)
Live gauges are a yes. Trying to find out about alarms.
man this is sooo much win. just hope it looks nice. Accurate readings of oil temp.. here we go.. finally.

Luftwaffel 11-03-2016 09:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mokinbird87 (Post 2788891)
man this is sooo much win. just hope it looks nice. Accurate readings of oil temp.. here we go.. finally.
Where are you getting inaccurate oil temps? Torque and ProECU are exactly the same for me.

dj2020 11-04-2016 12:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luftwaffel (Post 2788130)
Live gauges are a yes. Trying to find out about alarms.


Would this Bluetooth solution be fast enough to show accurate boost and AF readings. No lag in readings? Just as good as dedicated boost/af gauge, i.e. AEM, Defi?

My Dashcommand and Bluetooth OBD2 dongle set up is pretty laggy when it comes to MAP and AF readings.

Luftwaffel 11-04-2016 05:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dj2020 (Post 2789270)
Would this Bluetooth solution be fast enough to show accurate boost and AF readings. No lag in readings? Just as good as dedicated boost/af gauge, i.e. AEM, Defi?

My Dashcommand and Bluetooth OBD2 dongle set up is pretty laggy when it comes to MAP and AF readings.
Honestly I'm not holding my breath. I've been messing with OBD monitoring solutions for a really long time and I have yet to see a Bluetooth solution that doesn't lag.

TBH though, I don't need most of the things I'd display to be fully realtime. I do run a single multi gauge though for boost, AFR, and E% though, the stuff I'd want to be realtime. I'd run temps and FBKC and DAM on the app... a little delay in those wouldn't bother me.

Kodename47 11-04-2016 05:34 AM
The suggestion is that this will log faster than ProECU. Therefore no reason why you couldn't. Usually the reason why the BT devices lag is due to the fact that the OBD polling rate is slow.

menikmati 11-05-2016 12:25 AM
I'd buy this just for the ability to datalog using just my phone.

But at $300, I'll continue to lug around the ECUtek cable and my beater laptop.

steve99 11-06-2016 05:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luftwaffel (Post 2789550)
Honestly I'm not holding my breath. I've been messing with OBD monitoring solutions for a really long time and I have yet to see a Bluetooth solution that doesn't lag.

TBH though, I don't need most of the things I'd display to be fully realtime. I do run a single multi gauge though for boost, AFR, and E% though, the stuff I'd want to be realtime. I'd run temps and FBKC and DAM on the app... a little delay in those wouldn't bother me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kodename47 (Post 2789572)
The suggestion is that this will log faster than ProECU. Therefore no reason why you couldn't. Usually the reason why the BT devices lag is due to the fact that the OBD polling rate is slow.
Wouln,t it be more to do with most apps like torque dash command etc are using standard obd pid calls to ecu, where as stuff like ecutek oft tactrix are making direct ecu ram address reads which is way faster.

The data rate over blutooth should be heaps fast enough for some log data

Luftwaffel 11-06-2016 01:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by steve99 (Post 2790974)
Wouln,t it be more to do with most apps like torque dash command etc are using standard obd pid calls to ecu, where as stuff like ecutek oft tactrix are making direct ecu ram address reads which is way faster.

The data rate over blutooth should be heaps fast enough for some log data
No, it's 100% something to do with Bluetooth. If I force the same protocol/data rate with Bluetooth, there's still a delay. USB is effectively instantaneous. This is with OBDLink SX USB and Torque from last night actually. I gave my Bluetooth adapter away so I can't show a comparison but there's somewhere on the order of 300-700ms delay with Bluetooth.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8zHD6tfcjo"]Torque and OBDLink SX - YouTube[/ame]


So, basically, I agree the data rate is fine. Actually, the OBD data rate is 500 Kbps which translates to around 250-300 PIDs/sec. SSM can only be faster. My gripe is the latency makes live gauges just kind of... barely acceptable?

BWilky 11-10-2016 04:39 PM
Is this going to allow for tuning and replace the ProECU Programming Kit?
Then would you still need to get a tune?

steve99 11-10-2016 07:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BWilky (Post 2794225)
Is this going to allow for tuning and replace the ProECU Programming Kit?
Then would you still need to get a tune?
to tune with ecutek you need three things

Ecutek cable kit about 350
Ecutek ecu licience about 350
A tune either you make it or you buy one from ecutek 100-500 or so


I suspect the blutooth dongle will be able to flash tunes like the standard kit but not 100% it appears to have a micro usb adapter socket on back which i suspect will plug into usb port of computer for flashing. Then logging and other stud is done via either usb or blutooth link.

Kodename47 11-11-2016 04:34 AM
Flashing is coming soon. In fact the BRZ product isn't finished yet, I spoke with ECUtek earlier this week. I have suggested some ideas to them so should hopefully see those. Android app is expected start of 2017.

Luftwaffel 11-11-2016 04:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kodename47 (Post 2794524)
Flashing is coming soon. In fact the BRZ product isn't finished yet, I spoke with ECUtek earlier this week. I have suggested some ideas to them so should hopefully see those. Android app is expected start of 2017.
That doesn't make sense... ProECU cables are not application specific as far as I understand it, and there's no indication the Bluetooth modules are either. Unless the software just isn't complete.

steve99 11-11-2016 05:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luftwaffel (Post 2794526)
That doesn't make sense... ProECU cables are not application specific as far as I understand it, and there's no indication the Bluetooth modules are either. Unless the software just isn't complete.

I suspect @Kodename47 is talking about the software changes required in the ecu to allow the live interfacing via the blutooth app rarther than the pro ecu software

Luftwaffel 11-11-2016 05:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by steve99 (Post 2794530)
I suspect @Kodename47 is talking about the software changes required in the ecu to allow the live interfacing via the blutooth app rarther than the pro ecu software
That's the only thing I can think of, though I'm not sure what would really need to be changed. Maybe something to support the higher polling rate.

BWilky 11-11-2016 08:01 AM
Interesting! If this new product would directly compete with the OFT in terms of price and flexibility with tuning.

cjd 11-11-2016 08:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BWilky (Post 2794565)
Interesting! If this new product would directly compete with the OFT in terms of price and flexibility with tuning.
It doesn't seem any less than the current setup... Still need license and interface and tune, all of which are separate.

Kodename47 11-11-2016 11:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luftwaffel (Post 2794532)
That's the only thing I can think of, though I'm not sure what would really need to be changed. Maybe something to support the higher polling rate.
A new RaceROM patch is required for the neater features. Not sure whether you'll require the new patches for only the new features or to connect at all, but things are still being tested and ironed out. Here's some more info for you though:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fensport on gt86ownersclub.co.uk
A little update now I've had chance to have a play :)
We now have it all working and have designed some custom maps around the 5 available inputs which can be fed in to custom maps.
The custom inputs can be re named, we have the option to use them as a switch, slider, numeric or listbox. Min and Max values can be set as well as text displayed.
Map switching can also be named which is nice*
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...psq7zbndbo.jpg
The above shows some examples of what can be done for customer usage. We can also configure for tuning and allow live inputs in to the ecu.
Data logging is one of our favourite things especially for the race car, we can start a log on the startline and record the whole lap or laps and only need to carry an iphone in the car.
Another plus is you can see if vvt is on and its so cool to switch maps from your phone and see the rev counter move to the appropriate map :)
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...pstnu6iyui.jpg
Datalogs can also be emailed direct from the app and there's a section to find your nearest Ecutek tuner with their contact details.
It's early days yet and I know Ecutek have big plans for the future which is great for us all :)

Luftwaffel 11-11-2016 01:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BWilky (Post 2794565)
Interesting! If this new product would directly compete with the OFT in terms of price and flexibility with tuning.
Honestly I feel like US distributors mark up EcuTeK to pretty astronomic levels. A license tends to cost minimum $300 USD from a US tuner. If you buy from a UK tuner, it's around £150-160 GBP which translates to around $200 USD on the high end. You can't even argue that it has to go through customs (which is 2% on the high end anyway), because it's software. That's all retail pricing.

Visconti just ran a sale for $400 for hardware, license, and a tune. I realize there has to be some profit margin, but come on.

As for flexibility, EcuTeK is already more flexible than OFT. That's the difference between one guy and an entire R&D team.

Luftwaffel 11-11-2016 01:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kodename47 (Post 2794674)
A new RaceROM patch is required for the neater features. Not sure whether you'll require the new patches for only the new features or to connect at all, but things are still being tested and ironed out. Here's some more info for you though:
I figured there would be a RaceROM update for this. Good info.

Kodename47 11-26-2016 06:51 PM
V9.1 Racerom patches have been released. Interesting to have a poke about. 5 custom inputs available from the app.

byun 12-13-2016 01:00 PM
Anyone else have been playing around with the app and tried the data logging? Curious as to see if you are able to see Advance Multiplier and Custom Maps to read e85 content.

Right now it doesn't show as a selectable parameter when trying to select what to data log.


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