Why not 300+ hp?
 

I keep reading about 200-250hp which isn't bad for it's weight but it is still pretty slow compared to other rwd cars. At best (w/250hp) the weight to power will be about 10.8lbs/1hp. Right now the 5.0 is less then 9lbs per hp. I would assume a 250hp FT-86 is good for lows 14s and low 15s with a 200hp engine. I personally think they should use a new Subaru engine with about 300hp and that doesn't break with simple mods like the current STI engine.

Let's hear your thoughts...

Simply put?

This isn't a Lexus.

More detail - Toyota wants to make a performance/sporty car at a low price and get people into the Toyota brand (eventually move up to Lexus) and go back to their history. Lexus is a premium/luxury brand. Where their cheapest car can be like in the low 30's at the most.

Cheap, Fast, Reliable.

Pick Two.

BTW, this car was designed to be inexpensive and since it is a Toyota/Subaru, I would assume it will be reliable.

That's why.

I can't believe people think a RWD turbocharged sport coupe will have to cost over 30k when a AWD, 2.5l turbo WRX exist at 26k OTD. And this car is built on the same platform.

What is your definition of fast and cheap? What is fast to someone is slow to another. What is cheap to one is expensive to another. I always hate these list three and pick two scenarios. Most of the time they don't even work since it is heavily definition based. What is "cheap" to you might not be for others. And what I consider fast might be slow to you. I think you can definitely get all 3 of those in a package.

because straight line speed is not what this car is about.

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^^^ this

Why noobs go here not read just make a topic that we already talked about 100x?

I agree. "Anyone" can drive a car fast in a straight-line. That isn't hard and it isn't hard to design/build a car for that. However, it is much harder to drive technical tracks/roads and to have a car that is optimized for that regarding breaking, suspension, power curve, transmission, weight distribution...etc.

If you want a car with 300+ hp, there are many options for that. This is trying to find its own spot.

If you want a 300hp FT at the start, DIY. Get an EJ turbo conversion or build up the FB. It's self explanatory. They aren't going to be launching the FT with an engine that probably won't be production ready at the time of release.

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This topic has been discussed in not only other threads, but in practically every single thread on this forum.

It's always brought up, even in threads where it is off-topic, and the bottom line answer is what the above users said.

:bow::bow::bow: I'm going to state this again. I love Drifting more than straight lines.

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Its getting to the point where I can't tell if people are trolling or legitimately asking this same old tired and stupid question.

But an AWD turbo WRX in Australia is 62k RRP, I'm all for a performance version like the Gs but there needs to be a base model that hits Aus at sub 40k for it to have any success here (IMHO)

Edit: Just realised you may be talking about the WRX(47k RRP) im referring to the STi

How about a list one, pick one scenario: FUN. I think that is exactly what the car will be when used for it's intended purpose. From what I have gathered, straight line speed is not it's intended purpose.

To be honest I just got tired of this question and acted like an asshole. I regret nothing.

If GM can get 300hp (with GM tune) out of their Cobalt SS LNF engine, I don't see why Subura couldn't in a cost effective way with the FT-86. Driving on a road course is certainly more fun then a drag strip, but even that is more fun with more power!

If they are going to be offering several versions of this car why not have different engine options as well?

Also, if this has been talked about 100x why are you still logging on? No one knows anything more about this car then what has already been discussed. Everything is pretty much speculation.

300 seems like its very achievable after mods and tuning. people need to stop complaining.

My car won't be stock. So it'll be fine.

Do you think Miatas should have 300hp as well? Because this car will be more Miata and less Mustang 5.0.

Lmao, it was nothing to do with whats more like the next.

Lightweight cars with alot of horsepower tend to be fun ass hell, period. Some guys want N/A, some want a turbo. Toyota/Subie would be smart to offer both.

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Like someone said, what else do we have to talk about until 4-20? You don't have to click on the thread if you don't want.

Plus this thread gives a place for people to talk about it instead of cluttering all the other threads with it. :)

So why not 400+ hp instead? I heard from somewhere that some model of Mitsubishi Evo have over 400 hp. I am sure that Toyota+Subaru > Mitsubishi so their sport car should more powerful than one from Mitsubishi, Right?

If Toyota does it right, they can make a Z competitor that gets almost 30mpg with 300hp, but anything above that is going to guzzle gas like any other performance car. It might be the top spec ft86, but it can be feasible.

Zorro you turd, made me laugh for 5 minutes straight
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Now put the joke on the side, why do you think JDM Supra, R32~34, NSX, & few other sports car had a limited 280hp? Recent yrs, Japanese auto industry have been going crazy and putting out over 280hp cars out, but there's ridiculous amount of fee gotta pay to have over 280hp stock cars annually. If this car push over 280hp, I can guarantee you this car will put into Z, STI, Evo price range... now why you wanna bring dying high hp cars genre?

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Weren't most of those car's (Skyline, Supra) hp actually underestimated by like 10-15%?

Yes, they lied so they wouldn't have to pay up. I don't think think that will fly anymore.

Yes but have you seen the Cobalt SS

Also the Cobalt will only make 300 after a tune while you have no clue what the ft86 will make after a tune as well (doubtfully 300 with no turbo but you cant compare tune to stock either way)

Cobalt also comes with a 5 speed and I deff want a 6 speed. The power to weight of a stock Cobalt SS is 11.3 which is worst than the 10.8 you complained about.

comparing one good trait of a car isnt going to help you here.

Can the Cobalt engine make more power with a tune? Yes, but what engine cant

Is the Cobalt a better package than the FT86 based off speculated info? Not by a long shot

I will say it again this car isnt built with drag in mind. Its all about the track and winding roads with this one. The FT86 isnt trying to be the powerhouse car but a revival of the simply joy of driving

Nissan lied about the output of the GTR but I think that was just to boast that it was much more underpowered than its rivals and murdering them all

Yes, you're right... but like Aliphian said, they stop doing that. For an example Infiniti Q45/Nissan Cima. That thing had v8 and claimed "280hp"... which was a totally lie. Result, Nissan got fined (can't remember exact amount). That's the one of the reason they stop making Q45

R35, Nissan already paid for it, so technically they're okay.

I don't know about anyone else, but mine will be 300+ at minimum.

With CA laws, mine will not reach that until Greddy releases a $5,000 turbo kit for it.

I will be happy if I can bolt on and tune it to 200hp at the wheels.

Thank god for living in TN..:) I probably hit up PTuning and have them fab me up a turbo kit from day 1. 300-350, meh don't matter...hell I'll even do 400whp if the engine is good for it.

Don't get why everyone so bent up on having minimal hp just because of what the car was meant to do. Truth be told, the car is meant to do whatever it is YOU want it to do. You want to drag, street race, road race, autox....who cares. More power is not taboo. That's why you address the rest of the car to handle that hp increase (wider rubber, softer compound tires, suspension, LSD...etc.)

I agree. I don't think most of us are against more power, we just don't expect it from the factory.

Anyway, the fact that Best Car is spreading rumors about a 250 and 308 hp version is interesting.

I guess some folks in Japan just don't understand that this car should be dog slow in a straight line and powering out of corners :D

Hard top Miata -- got it ;)

Your welcome, and thanks for not being a douche!

300hp is a realistic number. Even if they did what GM did with the LNF, it could be factory tuned (with warranty) to 300hp which would be good enough for me.

Being that you know everything what is the price placed on imported 280+hp cars? I had never heard 280hp was the limit, thanks for informing me.

This has been going on for ever! Think Hemi Cudas and Boss 429s, which were underrated by a lot more then 15%! Even the cars of today are still underestimating the power.

Because there ARE already threads about it :iono:

:bellyroll: that it did.

First of all, I don't know EVERYTHING! So please put word in my mouth. That's one thing pisses me off.

Lastly, Why older GT-R, NSX, Supra, FD, STi, Z, Evo, had a same HP numbers even tho some had more cylinders & liters?

HP arguments....its like bickering who's dong is bigger.

Power is easily (if not hindered by monetary restraints) gained. Overall car feel, balance, and general fun factor is something much harder to obtain if the car is a pos from the dealership and poorly engineered.

Don't you worry you little power mongers, you'll get your bolt on turbos, and whooosshing BoVs, and nitrous, and a computer that tells you manifold malfunction in your passenger side floorboard that you can yell "Shut up!" to as you slap it shut, and all the other things that make you wet your pants. /pat on the head