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makinen 09-18-2016 06:13 AM

Are the rusted springs OK?
 
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Hi,

I've used RCE Tarmac springs through two winter seasons.
Some days before, I found that those springs are rusted.

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How can I cure these springs?
Will the rust remove work?

Thanks.

new2subaru 09-18-2016 08:53 AM

It's just surface rust and won't hurt anything.

Tcoat 09-18-2016 11:30 AM

That rust will become an issue if you leave it for 40 or 50 years but otherwise not a problem. If you want them to look nicer just clean them up with a scrubby or steel wool and brush on some rust paint.

go_a_way1 09-18-2016 01:25 PM

#totalled

HachiRo 09-18-2016 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Norville Rogers (Post 2755634)
They are aftermarket. The springs (and the paint protecting them from rusting) are likely to be of a lower quality than OEM.

A "cure" might be to put the originals back on.

Will removing the rust (rust remove) be effective (work)? Who knows? What did you have in mind?

Idk man, RCE and "lower quality" only work in a sentence when the word "aren't" is between those two.

Surface rust. Had it on my RSR Superdowns springs comes off quite easily.

Miniata 09-18-2016 06:11 PM

Like the others said, just surface rust. I've seen much worse. If it were my car, I'd clean off whatever rust I can reach without removing them from the car, and hit them with a good thick rust preventative spray oil 3-4 times a year.

makinen 09-18-2016 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norville Rogers (Post 2755634)
They are aftermarket. The springs (and the paint protecting them from rusting) are likely to be of a lower quality than OEM.

A "cure" might be to put the originals back on.

Will removing the rust (rust remove) be effective (work)? Who knows? What did you have in mind?

I missed "r" for the "rust remover" which changes rusts into stable compound.

I'd like to make rusting process as slow as possible without hurting springs.

Glok24 09-18-2016 11:20 PM

It seems like the general consensus is that its not a problem, but if you do want to remove it with a wire brush or some steel wool, and want to delay other rust from building up, you could get some cold galv spray https://www.amazon.com/Rust-Oleum-75.../dp/B00106H68W and galvanize the springs. not 100% sure how well it works on moving parts, but it should help

Teseo 09-18-2016 11:31 PM

I would considere a sandblast and paint, just for "looks"

wparsons 09-19-2016 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norville Rogers (Post 2755634)
They are aftermarket. The springs (and the paint protecting them from rusting) are likely to be of a lower quality than OEM.

A "cure" might be to put the originals back on.

My stock springs were rusted when I took them out too... springs are steel, they'll rust.

Tcoat 09-19-2016 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Teseo (Post 2755807)
I would considere a sandblast and paint, just for "looks"

DO NOT SANDBLAST SPRINGS!


Part of the manufacturing process of (most) springs is a shot peen after heat treat. This gives the springs strength yet flexibility. Sandblasting can mess with the metallurgy.

Teseo 09-19-2016 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2756030)
DO NOT SANDBLAST SPRINGS!


Part of the manufacturing process of (most) springs is a shot peen after heat treat. This gives the springs strength yet flexibility. Sandblasting can mess with the metallurgy.

My bad, then sandpaper? Light pressure

Tcoat 09-19-2016 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teseo (Post 2756039)
My bad, then sandpaper? Light pressure

Oh you can hit it with anything you want by hand. They aren't glass. Just stay away from sandblasting.

Tcoat 09-19-2016 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Norville Rogers (Post 2756051)
Might have meant beadblasting. Sometimes people use the term sandblasting for anything from shotblasting through.

True. Best to stay way from any type of blasting on heat treated and peened materials though. Not that beads would have any huge effect but why mess with it. Slap some anti rust paint on them and call it a day.

Tcoat 09-19-2016 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Norville Rogers (Post 2756056)
Whatever happened to the oily rag wipe down? That would have stopped it starting..

Cars became way more resistant to rust and people no longer know of the things we had to do to keep them from crumbling away in 3 years. Now even the slightest surface rust seems to be a cause for panic since it is so rare.

JD001 09-19-2016 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2756061)
Cars became way more resistant to rust and people no longer know of the things we had to do to keep them from crumbling away in 3 years. Now even the slightest surface rust seems to be a cause for panic since it is so rare.

It would be okay if rust behaved itself stayed as small pimple but it doesn't! It fucking spreads!! Hence panic! It's like an iceberg, 2/3rd hidden! I say panic if see any rust...

Tcoat 09-19-2016 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JD001 (Post 2756072)
It would be okay if rust behaved itself stayed as small pimple but it doesn't! It fucking spreads!! Hence panic! It's like an iceberg, 2/3rd hidden! I say panic if see any rust...

Body rust yes. Bolts/nuts, non structural sections, exhaust, suspensions, etc. do not require panic. Touch up if it bothers you but the damned car is not going to fall apart. I have lived my whole life in the rust belt of Canada and have watched the cars get better and better at dealing with rust over 40 years. The days of rotted out, 3 year old cars, ended about 25 years ago (other than Mazda that is. they continue the legacy).

sirsol66 09-19-2016 01:14 PM

Just so its clear, do not sand or bead blast or anything on coil springs. Most modern coil springs have 2-3 different shot peening processes done, with some of the residual hardness layers less than 0.5mm. You don't want to disturb that.

I would spray the coils down with AMSOIL HDMP Or similar wax like coating to seal the surface and keep it from getting worse. Or replace them. Honestly that looks pretty bad for a 2 year old spring; I assume they're using e-coat or just paint as those are the cheapest coatings commercially available for coil springs. Try to get coils with at least dual epoxy powder coating.

nikitopo 09-19-2016 01:37 PM

I have red STI springs in my other car for more than 4 years and I haven't seen rust yet. I agree that the coating was cheap.


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