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HeubergerMotors 08-13-2016 04:38 PM

Electric Subaru ??
 
Please please please be real ! My wife had a Leaf and it was a great car, but it was hindered by the range. Combine the safety/performance/AWD of Subaru with all electric torque/hassle free ownership/zero emissions ? Sign me up !

It would be way down the line, but could you imagine an all electric BRZ or STI ?
:happyanim:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/subaru...160853898.html

http://i.imgur.com/mKUuzdX.png

humfrz 08-13-2016 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by HeubergerMotors (Post 2728604)
Please please please be real ! My wife had a Leaf and it was a great car, but it was hindered by the range. Combine the safety/performance/AWD of Subaru with all electric torque/hassle free ownership/zero emissions ? Sign me up !

It would be way down the line, but could you imagine an all electric BRZ or STI ?
:happyanim:

Way on down the line far enough ....... you may not be able to buy a new car that isn't electric or hydrogen powered ..... :popcorn:


humfrz

Clipdat 08-13-2016 10:31 PM

Hopefully I will still have my FR-S on the road when that happens! Love my car!

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 2728617)
Way on down the line far enough ....... you may not be able to buy a new car that isn't electric or hydrogen powered ..... :popcorn:


humfrz


Tcoat 08-13-2016 10:58 PM

According to a very reliable and reputable website Toyota and BMW will have an electric sports car by next year. Some thing called a Supra. Sounds right on the money to me

http://www.motoring.com.au/bmw-supra-takes-shape-44966/

humfrz 08-13-2016 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Clipdat (Post 2728750)
Hopefully I will still have my FR-S on the road when that happens! Love my car!

Well, now, can you imagine 15-20 years from now, when your grandkids ask "pa-pa, can I drive that old car of yours"?

Pa-pa, where is the "power" Button ... ??

Where is the auto-pilot screen .. ??

What's all this crap down by my feet ..... ??

OK, it's "going" ........ WHAT IS WRONG WITH IT !........ it sounds like a bucket of old computer parts .... :confused0068:


humfrz

Pat.Thornton 08-13-2016 11:34 PM

Electric Subaru ??
 
As long as the motors are horizontally opposed im in


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bcj 08-14-2016 01:03 PM

Zero emissions?

:laughabove: :popcorn: :bonk: :mad0260: :sigh:

let's not go there

Ashikabi 08-15-2016 09:44 AM

Go for it. Electric cars are the future. Power will get easier to make and store. Once they solve the range issue there won't be a good reason for the average grocery getter to not be electric. I imagine right now most people could drive them as my daily commute is 2 miles and my weekly trip into the city is about 130 miles total. How often does anyone drive further than that? A few times a year I drive to Omaha(150 miles one way) and I could rent a car if my tiny town had rentals. The 2XX mile range on a lot of electric cars wouldn't limit most people in any meaningful way. I choose to stick with my gas burner cuz it's fun. If an electric swap becomes practical and manageable in the future, I'd throw it in there instead of the boxer

krayzie 08-15-2016 10:53 AM

The majority of tomorrow's non-electric manual transmission sports cars will be the mechanical Swiss watches of today, artificially upscaled and limited in production.

IceFyre13th 08-15-2016 06:00 PM

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TBytjfV3Ry...252C+totus.jpg

yelsew 08-15-2016 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2728761)
According to a very reliable and reputable website Toyota and BMW will have an electric sports car by next year. Some thing called a Supra. Sounds right on the money to me

http://www.motoring.com.au/bmw-supra-takes-shape-44966/



I know it was in jest, but should this site even allow us to post links to motoring.au?



Honestly, the electric platforms that exist currently have proven that a sports-oriented electric system (ie not the leaf but more of the tesla) makes an amazing powertrain, but that whole, hard to match the energy density of gasoline, makes it still farther off than i hoped.


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Ashikabi 08-15-2016 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by IceFyre13th (Post 2729781)

No offense to you but I love how everyone who has a hybrid or supports electric vehicles is a "tree hugger" and is somehow lower than everyone else because they don't want the earth to become a wasteland of trash and cancer. Electric motors are better than gas ones for many reasons. Batteries just aren't good enough... yet. I'll be laughing my ass off when the new whatchamacallit low end sports car is all electric and shredding gas guzzlers left and right. Everyone will bitch how you are a tree hugging wuss but no one will want to race :'(

IceFyre13th 08-16-2016 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashikabi (Post 2729793)
No offense to you but I love how everyone who has a hybrid or supports electric vehicles is a "tree hugger" and is somehow lower than everyone else because they don't want the earth to become a wasteland of trash and cancer. Electric motors are better than gas ones for many reasons. Batteries just aren't good enough... yet. I'll be laughing my ass off when the new whatchamacallit low end sports car is all electric and shredding gas guzzlers left and right. Everyone will bitch how you are a tree hugging wuss but no one will want to race :'(

But you forget one very important thing, to make the battery for your EV car at day one already has the carbon footprint of a normal car with 80K miles on it...............

Zaku 08-16-2016 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by IceFyre13th (Post 2730662)
But you forget one very important thing, to make the battery for your EV car at day one already has the carbon footprint of a normal car with 80K miles on it...............

Hey there not calling you on it or anything, but If there's an article on this or something that talks about it, I like to read it. It seems very interesting! argument against an electric car, and I don't see many interesting arguments.

I don't have a for or against on electric cars. It's just something weird to get used to. Not sure but do they even make manual electric cars?

EAGLE5 08-16-2016 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by IceFyre13th (Post 2730662)
But you forget one very important thing, to make the battery for your EV car at day one already has the carbon footprint of a normal car with 80K miles on it...............

Yeah, on planet "I believe bullshit - shovel it into my brain" it does. Time for you to switch your news sources.

EAGLE5 08-16-2016 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaku (Post 2730682)
Hey there not calling you on it or anything, but If there's an article on this or something that talks about it, I like to read it. It seems very interesting! argument against an electric car, and I don't see many interesting arguments.

I don't have a for or against on electric cars. It's just something weird to get used to. Not sure but do they even make manual electric cars?

I really appreciate the difference in our responses to the anti-EV claim.

Ashikabi 08-16-2016 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by IceFyre13th (Post 2730662)
But you forget one very important thing, to make the battery for your EV car at day one already has the carbon footprint of a normal car with 80K miles on it...............

First of all, I'm not too concerned about the environmental impact of electric cars. I was commenting on how people who try to do something good are looked down on for it because it's "different". And how anything that was ever near a hybrid or electric car has been pussified even if it's faster than "fast" cars. Also I don't know about your 80,000 miles comment. Seems excessive and slathered in propaganda

EAGLE5 08-16-2016 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2728761)
According to a very reliable and reputable website Toyota and BMW will have an electric sports car by next year. Some thing called a Supra. Sounds right on the money to me

http://www.motoring.com.au/bmw-supra-takes-shape-44966/

If that article is true, there's a decent chance I'll be buying one. Then again, I'd far prefer a pure EV. I view the internal combustion engine as dead weight. Give me a version with 500+HP and 120 miles range. Please. I don't need all the Tesla range dead weight slowing me down. It's a sports car. I'm not going far.

themadscientist 08-16-2016 07:14 PM

I like trees, but we don't have a physical relationship. I generate a lot of carbon with my little race cars, but I'm not threatened by electric cars. they make sense and I know that they can be fast and fun to work on so bring em on!


I was looking at a Leaf and if Nissan Japan had a leasing system that made sense I would have leased one. My car buddies thought I had given up on sports cars. No. Not all my cars have to be alpha type death machines. My BRZ is still stock and I love it. I would have loved a Leaf too.


If they put more cars like these into production, sooner before later I will have one.


http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/cro...nd-_600x0w.jpg

Talus1 08-16-2016 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HeubergerMotors (Post 2728604)
It would be way down the line, but could you imagine an all electric BRZ or STI ?
:happyanim:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/subaru...160853898.html

This is funny. We need to get our central AC replaced and the sales guy was here just now and was excited to see my BRZ. He's a "car guy" and told me (straight face) that the BRZ was originally going to be an electric car but that the styling, which was done for aerodynamic efficiency, was too sporty and wouldn't have appealed to the average electric car buyer. So then, he said, they were going to do a 425HP twin turbo version, but that would have been too expensive.

Good thing the shop he works for is reputable...

Ashikabi 08-16-2016 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by themadscientist (Post 2730749)
I like trees, but we don't have a physical relationship. I generate a lot of carbon with my little race cars, but I'm not threatened by electric cars. they make sense and I know that they can be fast and fun to work on so bring em on!


I was looking at a Leaf and if Nissan Japan had a leasing system that made sense I would have leased one. My car buddies thought I had given up on sports cars. No. Not all my cars have to be alpha type death machines. My BRZ is still stock and I love it. I would have loved a Leaf too.


If they put more cars like these into production, sooner before later I will have one.


http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/cro...nd-_600x0w.jpg

I don't know what that thing is but I'd drive the fuck out of it

themadscientist 08-16-2016 11:44 PM

Citroen Survolt


http://www.topspeed.com/cars/citroen...t-ar85734.html

Ashikabi 08-16-2016 11:55 PM

Oh, it's only 1.8m. I guess I'll be picking one or two of these up next time I swing by France. Anyone else need anything whole I'm over there?

Mr.ac 08-17-2016 12:40 AM

Piff, you guys. You want power and range, modify a golf cart. Look up the crazy shit you can do now.
Oh wait... You want that bling and status symbol, never mind.

Ashikabi 08-17-2016 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.ac (Post 2730966)
Piff, you guys. You want power and range, modify a golf cart. Look up the crazy shit you can do now.
Oh wait... You want that bling and status symbol, never mind.

Bling as in cool race car? Yes. Status? No. Idgaf

IceFyre13th 08-17-2016 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaku (Post 2730682)
Hey there not calling you on it or anything, but If there's an article on this or something that talks about it, I like to read it. It seems very interesting! argument against an electric car, and I don't see many interesting arguments.

I don't have a for or against on electric cars. It's just something weird to get used to. Not sure but do they even make manual electric cars?

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Originally Posted by jsimon7777 (Post 2730721)
Yeah, on planet "I believe bullshit - shovel it into my brain" it does. Time for you to switch your news sources.

http://www.alternativesjournal.ca/en...r-really-green

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...46913994914472

https://chargedevs.com/newswire/new-...bon-footprint/

http://blog.wegowise.com/2012-06-26-...-electric-cars

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/ho...ironment-know/

By the way......my first post was as a joke......but you keyboard warriors just had to be, well.......:respekt:

geezerbrzeezer 08-17-2016 06:11 PM

Fuck.

If this our future, I'd better start recording the sound my exhaust makes banging up and down the gears so it can play in the background while I'm listening to music behind the wheel of my 'letrit whooshmeister.

Fuck.

Ashikabi 08-17-2016 06:12 PM

I'll be honest, I didn't read all those articles and the few I looked at I skimmed. BUT I didn't see anything backing up your 80,000 mile claim. Can they have a bigger carbon footprint than normal cars? Yes, I never denied that. Is it as big as you say. I don't believe so

Diode Dynamics 08-17-2016 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by geezerbrzeezer (Post 2731616)
Fuck.

If this our future, I'd better start recording the sound my exhaust makes banging up and down the gears so it can play in the background while I'm listening to music behind the wheel of my 'letrit whooshmeister.

Fuck.

+1

This is literally the only reason I wouldn't buy an electric car. I love hearing a good exhaust tone.

There's no denying the performance of electric drivetrains, hard to beat instant torque.

Nick C.

themadscientist 08-17-2016 06:44 PM

You could listen to the sobs of GT-R drivers? Their tears are sure to be salty and delicious.


[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rVTIpS5zb4"]White Zombie electric car - Run 2: 10.400 @ 117.21 - PIR 2010/07/30 - YouTube[/ame]

gramicci101 08-17-2016 07:37 PM

Every time I see the thread title I get "Electric Avenue" playing in my head.

Toyarzee 08-17-2016 07:50 PM

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Sums up about how I feel when a EV driver tells me they're saving the world...

Toyarzee 08-17-2016 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 2731735)
Every time I see the thread title I get "Electric Avenue" playing in my head.

Lahwl... repeat but appropriate

Mr.ac 08-17-2016 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by themadscientist (Post 2731685)
You could listen to the sobs of GT-R drivers? Their tears are sure to be salty and delicious.


White Zombie electric car - Run 2: 10.400 @ 117.21 - PIR 2010/07/30 - YouTube

That Gt-R had a shitty start. Then again that zombie is no joke either. Only problem the GT-R can do pulls all day long and drive home. The white zombie, well... I don't think it can more than 5 runs. Before it needs a charge, and it's not driving home.

themadscientist 08-18-2016 01:27 AM

Until that $10,000 transmission shits its guts all over the track.

EAGLE5 08-18-2016 01:43 PM

These articles are based on a study from 2012 that is based on technology from 2008. Even worse, the study itself is mostly a meta-study, not doing any actual new research. It takes results and research from 100 sources and mixes it together. Assumptions layered upon assumptions layered upon assumptions. They don't all have to be false for the whole thing to fall apart. In the end, it all makes good news stories but terrible science.


Irace86 08-22-2016 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Toyarzee (Post 2731746)
Sums up about how I feel when a EV driver tells me they're saving the world...

The EV driver is doing their part to create demand for EV cars to grow the industry. The only reason a polluting Jeep competes with a Prius is because a Prius must be sourced inefficiently. If there is enough demand for hybrids and electric vehicles then the industry will grow domestically to support the product making manufacturing efficient and thus more environmentally friendly. Look at what Tesla is making:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigafactory_1

Then there is the argument about renewables. We will only see growth in renewables when people buy EV's, and support such legislation and products. Look at what is happening in Germany:

http://qz.com/680661/germany-had-so-...e-electricity/

Lastly, the EV driver is also improving the local environment. Their vehicles aren't dripping oil, coolant, gas, etc on the ground which isn't leaking into the water table. Their vehicles aren't polluting populated areas. Areas like LA have major pollution issues because of the population's vehicles and the nature of the geography.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...420-story.html

EV drivers may not be saving the world, but they are part of the solution, and we need more of them.

killin'_for_a_livin' 08-28-2016 09:46 AM

I dont know any numbers and im to lazy to read through all those articles but wouldn't it just come down to where the electricity comes from? Like i just road through Indiana yesterday and they had hundreds of windmills then i go home and were on nuclear id say the guy in indiana can get ev but i better start pedaling

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EAGLE5 08-28-2016 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by killin'_for_a_livin' (Post 2739848)
I dont know any numbers and im to lazy to read through all those articles but wouldn't it just come down to where the electricity comes from? Like i just road through Indiana yesterday and they had hundreds of windmills then i go home and were on nuclear id say the guy in indiana can get ev but i better start pedaling

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Just throw some panels on your home. Or invest in a solar power company.

Irace86 08-28-2016 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by killin'_for_a_livin' (Post 2739848)
I dont know any numbers and im to lazy to read through all those articles but wouldn't it just come down to where the electricity comes from? Like i just road through Indiana yesterday and they had hundreds of windmills then i go home and were on nuclear id say the guy in indiana can get ev but i better start pedaling

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It matters where you are for your environmental impact but in any case, investing in green technology like ev cars will inevitably lead to adoption of other environmental friendly energy sources and legislation.


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