What about that 1.5L Mini FT?
 

Remember those rumors about the 1.5L mini FT they were thinking about making in addition to the FT86? What happened to it? i liked the idea alot.

maybe thats scions announcement...that they are releasing their own sports car along side toyotas. Scion = 2 seater rear drive VERY light, very underpowered car for $16-$18k. Toyota still has the 86 at $22+


I can dream can't I

Nice.... New age Starlet.... I want that :D

it's...[possible but the scion version will have to look different from the toyota, so basically watered down to the max. The Toyota version should be comprable to MK I then, AND...IF the IS is going to be based off of the 86 instead of the GS as it usually or even some LFA mixed in...it has to be something like MK II if not beyond that. Needless to say that means scion and toyota are rocking the boxer and lexus probably would want a new v6. soooo possible? yes. Probable? meh, that's a lot of corporate and business planning right there

If this car was even lighter then the FT, Wouldn't it be the perfect swap victim? Or would the engine weight be the only savings?

It depends on the car. If it's the same size as the FT86 with the same construction ect than yes but I imagine it would be smaller than a FT86. 1.5L, RWD, 160hp hmmmm sounds pretty nice. Priced around the same cost as a corolla and the Mini FT would be a nice car for college students ect.

There is some pictures of the latest protype here. From what I know it went from an Aygo hatch to a roadster. But the body design wasn't finished, only the engineers had touched it so it was generally considered ugly.

If you find anymore info you can share it on this forum :thumbsup:.

And underpowered hatchback was just an idea. I believe they were considering engines between 1.3-1.5liters. 100bhp was the original goal with 2000lb curb weight but I imagine that nothing was really confirmed. And from what I remember they had a 200BHP turbocharged prototype at one time.

Have you seen the hatchback city car version or the roadster version? I'm trying to find the roadster version now.

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Haha :bs:

:lol:, I didn't have an opinion other than it looked like a shark :). Where was that post 70NYD?

Edit: I looked through all your posts 70NYD and couldn't find it.
So I did a search for shark and found it :D.

Tokyo Auto Salon '11

And I forgot to say, <3 you too 70NYD.

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20v 4A-GE's were making that in factory form, 1.6L

I'd say 160 out of a 1.5 is wishful thinking, but its doable from the manufacturer. Just reflected in the cost.

I'd have to be completely honest here....if Toyota came out with this "mini FT-86", sporting a 1.5L w/ Yamaha head, and pushing ~140-150hp(crank obviously), at about $18k...I'd probably take it over FT-86, if only because its weight is more in line with the AE86's. The sucker would probably be 2400lbs tops, if not lighter.

Damnit, who am I kidding...that 1.5L would be outta there as soon as the warranty was over and a 20v 4A-GE would take it's place.....damn my enthusiast ways!

no no dude come on. Of course it's possible. I'm laughing at the expectation, not the engineering. Heck, I've seen 200hp from a 5E-FTE ... heck.... I've seen that from a 1.3L 4E-FTE.

Anyway, The idea behind this car is very light and very cheap. The concept has a 100hp engine thereabouts. It's laughable to expect more than 120ps or so.

this thread needs pics
http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/gal...G_0381_001.JPG

Ew that looks hideous and very unaerodynamic...

Sorry I almost puked when I saw that, had to post :P

front and rear angles are worse.

That thing is pretty ugly. The concept is cool, but not the design.

But realistically, shouldn't the FT-86 be as "baby'd" as possible anyway? Unless it's as others stated and a 2 seater only, in which case I'd imagine it to be shorter...

Not when they look like that!

Wasn't their talk of a new MR2 as well? like a hybrid, they were testing it

Hrmm, well, I'll just pull out my same old tired story: if the engine rev's freely and happily, with a high redline, and the car is rwd and light weight...well pending serve ugliness, I'll take it.

:laughabove: That is what I meant when I said generally concidered ugly. People are quick to call it as such. I don't think that is the production body so I don't really care what it looks like now.

@ Xantonin, Even though the FT-86 is fairly small, it's still going to be a heavy weight compared to the classic Hacchi-Roku. The cheapest way to make a car lighter is just to make it smaller. And with new engine tech a new 1.6L would kick butt in a car as small as the baby86.

The FT-HS, I believe it was called, was a V6 hybrid shown at some auto shows. There's plenty of material on it here, :search:.

I agree with you, I was fairly disappointed with the FT-86's direction and lack of focus from the first "official" announcements. It's an improvement to be sure but it's neither a Celica nor a Supra, but more like something inbetween. I've never driven an original Hacchi-Roku but the "successor" just doesn't sound like it's going to meet my needs :iono:. What I want is closer to the original using some of the newer technology/equipment like GDI or at least MPFI, 6spd gearbox, and aluminum engine material with a stiffer, more aerodynamic body. I dunno if the baby86 will deliver.

I'd rather have a boxer-4 over an inline-4 too, which is to say I wouldn't mind if Subaru worked with Toyota on another car again. The advantage of a better engine location more than makes up for the little bit of added weight from another head or the extra width required IMHO. The advantage to an Inline-4 is it's cheaper and simpler therefore lighter, all of 15lbs or so. If I had a choice I would choose the boxer over the inline for a sporty car :thumbsup:.

The only problem I have with the baby86 is whether they keep it a roadster as it was shown or if they make it back into a hatch before production. The original was a city car with a hatchback. Why does this look like a roadster now? I didn't think that Toyota could afford to compete in such a niche market like the two seater roadster market, it sounds foolish. I thought all the money was in comfortable DailyDrivers? I have even more questions like will they even sell this? Will we get it in the US?

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/15/t...400-hp-3-3-li/

There we go I was talking about this thing, wonder if it will ever amount to anything other than being a concept.

The FT-HS was meant to be a V6 Hybrid engine for performance and was going to be the neo-Supra of Toyota. However that concept turned into the FT-86 instead...for the moment

Are you off your effing rocker?

Yeah, that's my guess too. 100~120hp is good stock hp.

I know a lot of ppl hate this concept, but I kinda like it. Yes, go ahead flame away~ :bellyroll:

That concept was created by the Toyota Engineering Society, and as you know, most engineers don't give a rat's ass about design.

Being a former website database programmer, I always hated designs too. They were such a pain to make. And I never liked the way mine looked...

The front nose of that car reminds me of this:

http://treebeard31.files.wordpress.c...emo_2_1024.jpg

In my opinion, the headlamps are too low, the front of the car needs to be reworked, it would look better in a hatchback version, front hood looks too long in proportion to the rest of the car, and the rear of the car looks like a shortened Chevy SSR (without as long as a truck bed).

http://www.familycar.com/roadtests/c...FrontTopUp.jpg

Back to the drawing board.

Meh, I may have been blabbering again. Don't take it too seriously, okay?

That thing looks terrible on so many levels. It wouldn't sell well if it was made.

Enough about the body :laughabove: what are you thoughts on the idea of the idea?

Something like this could be 100PS, 5spd, 2000-2200lbs before-after stateside?

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120hp sounds about right if you ask me. Of course power is just a number. True sport feel comes from engine response, how freely it revs, etc.

The weight seems about right for the rumored size of the car, however, I wouldn't be surprised to see that number climb up to 2400lbs when it comes stateside. If its just a 2 seater (no 2+2) then I unno if I'd be interested.

Hmm a new MR2 that's like the second Gen version would be extremely welcomed. I always loved MR layouts

I think this is pretty much a simple front engine deal. If it was rear engine it would be different.

And 100PS or 120PS w/e.

Ditto, it's all opinion on the looks. IMO Smart FourTwo looks uglier than that concept... but again, that's just my opinion.

BUT I do agree the thoughts on the idea of the idea is great. Mini bro of FT which pushing 100ps, 5sp, 2000~2200lbs for $18k base should be awesome idea.

Toyota should definitely make this. 160hp isn't asking much considering they could just expand the development of their new 1.5L engine to include this one(I'm assuming Toyota has some project to replace the 11 year old 1NZ-FE). Who knows, with this engine they just might bring back the Toyota hot hatch(turbo starlet)

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I have a secret hope that the mini-86 gets a version of the new Subaru/Cosworth 1.6L flat-4. Assuming that Toyota has a supersecret 1.5L project to keep a 11 year old engine alive is a bit hard to believe. And I do believe the '69 moon landing happened. So there.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/future-c...n-a-baby-ft-86

Probably not the most reliable source but.... thought it fit with this topic we're talking about.

It looks like a Mazda RX-9. lol

That article comes across as just a rumor IMHO. But I do like that idea. 109BHP isn't too much to ask from a 1.5L. I'd love to have a nice small RWD car. Jeez I need kick it into high gear and get some money saved up :bonk:.

That pic is from Bestcar so that's probably their source for the article and the picture is probably not even based on anything other than the style of Toyota cars :iono:. My best guess is that this would be some sort of hatchback or roadster not a coupe if the autoshow car was any indication.