Is this a good idea?..
 

Hello,
So, I have a '13 FRS that I owe 7k on. It's in good running condition, near 36k miles.
I have decided I really want an edelbrock super charger.


traditional school of thought:
Pay off the car, save up, buy the super charger, install it, deal with any issues if they happen.


my.. idea..
I could go talk to the dealer about their new FRS stock, they are currently trying to dump the scions as they are closing the brand. I may be able to get a nice deal, and then tell them I want them to install the edelbrock as part of my new car purchase.
advantages: new car service plan, edelbrock powertrain warranty on new car. I may actually be able to lower my monthly payments
disadvantages: I will have 5 more years of payments. numbers are not in my favor.


so, risk assessment, If I want a supercharger, is buying a new FRS and trading my current FRS a good idea?

Well, your plan has a flaw in it ....... good luck with finding a dealer that will go for it.

If your dead set on supercharging a FR-S, I suggest you supercharge the one you have......;)


humfrz

So you want the dealer to install the SC thinking you get to keep the powertrain warranty? Good luck with that.

Even if that was the case I would not trust a dealer to change my oil let alone install forced induction. Keep your car. Find a tuner shop. Get the edlebrock. Enjoy

So far my dealer has been super chill with everything I have ever thrown them, which has been more than I expected, but yes I have had this thought too that they may just outright say nope.
but honestly they have been great to work with for me.
Sandy Springs Toyota in atl incase anyone was curious.

It would not be the Toyota one, edelbrock offers their own warranty on SC installed on new cars

Even if you managed to blow up the current car with the supercharger, it would still probably cost less to fix than what you will pay in interest alone on those 5 years of new car payments. Add all the other factors of trading up (loss of value of current car, taxes, increased insurance, etc) and it becomes even less of a good financial decision.

We don't really buy these cars as a good financial decision though, so if you really value having a newer car go for it. I wouldn't do it from the reliability/warranty standpoint.

ah. interesting. only on a new car? Either way I still say find a tuner shop IMO for the install no matter what you decide

In effect, it read as up to 36k mi from mile 0, and had verbiage about certifications required to install, or installed by dealer.

lol

Forged Performance is known for built motors and turbos but came up as an Edlebrock dealer. I would consider them but only you have dealt with your dealership. I would see if the dealer has ever done any work like that before at least

Horrendous idea. This thing blows up, you have payments on a new car, no warranty, and 17K in repair charges.

No. Thank. You.

I'm curious how this turns out. Good luck.

if you wanna sc dont get the new one. geesh

Interesting. Something tells me though that if you meet all these requirements you are going to pay a shit load of labour!

-FORCE SUPERCHARGER WARRANTY INFORMATION
We're so confident in the engineering, manufacturing, quality and proven performance of our E-Force Supercharger Systems that we're backing them up with an unprecedented new warranty.
Our new Limited Powertrain Warranty will pay up to $16,500 to cover the cost of parts and repairs for engine, transmission and rear axle components if a warranted vehicle suffers a mechanical failure. Now you can outfit your ride with an E-Force Supercharger and have the peace of mind that you'll be covered!

Coverage Benefits: •Terms are 3 years (36 months) or 36,000 miles, whichever occurs first Time is measured from the vehicles original in-service date and the mileage is measured from zero (0) on the odometer
•Applies to Stage 1 systems and Stage 2 Corvette systems supplied with a tuner and utilizing the Edelbrock calibration
•E-Force system must be installed/repaired by:
- New car dealer
- Edelbrock certified installer
- Automotive Service Excellence (ASE) Certified Technician at licensed automotive repair facility
•Valid in the U.S. and Canada
•Rental vehicle reimbursement for up to three (3) days or $105
•Warranty coverage provided and managed by Edelbrock, LLC
•$1,000 value at no additional cost to you

if you ever have to ask yourself if this is a good idea it is most likely a bad idea and you are gonna have a bad time

It pays to remember that with a salvage title any part or parts can be missing, exchanged, replaced, rebuilt, or installed after salvaging them from the bottom of the sea, a rainforest, or the siberian desert. This includes odometers! Mileage on a salvage title car can be inferred, but at best it can only be an educated guess regarding accuracy. There is no recourse. This is the ultimate example of "buyer beware"!

OK so I went through the whole tread and have no idea where salvage titles came into play?????

Maybe from this thread? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109411

Posted to wrong thread...I will impose a 30 second self ban and then come back and screw up something else here!

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Sort of. CSG is a certified installer; I think Mike said they charge about $1000 for install. Which, for the complexity and time requirements of the install, I feel isn't a terrible amount to pay.

The part I don't like is you have to use Edelbrock's CARB tune for the warranty to apply. It makes sense why they insist on that, but I would want a catless header (probably ACE) and Delicious tune, so I'd be out a warranty. Granted, I'm over 36K miles, so I'd be out a warranty regardless.

tl;dr strat61caster's Risk Assessment: if you have to ask how much it costs you can't afford it.

Be patient, don't get in over your head, pay the car off, have 6 months living expenses in liquid cash savings, invest 6% towards.... zzzzzzzzzzzz.....

And in X years you'll have excellent confidence about the reliability of a supercharged FA20.

Is this a good idea?..
 

Last time I change my oil @ dealer they broke my magmatic drain bolt.... /bang head

Unless you know the mechanic in person & he has a reputation for his work. This should be a giant "NO".

I can say that the Subaru master tech in Vegas can do that, but most places aren't like that.


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I saw the title thinking "Hmm maybe I can help". So I started reading, until I cam to the word super charger. I'm assuming you are young, we all do crazy things with money when you are young. I can't help you with your mistake. But, in all fairness, I do wish you the best. It is your money after all.

............:slap: ......... now, pay attention ...... !!


humfrz

so chalk it up as a hair brained scheme. I did decide to go talk with the dealership folks, had some time to kill and such, and it was on the way home from work. Anyways, they were all on board and somewhat excited until the service manager said absolutely not. In any case, I'm definitely not in the "I need a new car" group, just was thinking out loud I guess.

thanks for the input :)

Well CSG would be one of the ones I would trust to ask a fair price and do a good job (based upon their reviews and participation here) but Atlanta to California is a long haul to have a SC installed. As much as I would hope that the other "Certified" installers would be as good there is no assurance they are. It could end up costing way more with somebody else. The warranty also stipulates that all repairs must be done by the Certified Installer so there is even more cost. Just not convinced that you would come out of the deal all that well if you had a crappy installer.

Now, all that aside if I had known about this when I first bought my car I may have been straight to the nearest certified installer and had that puppy slapped in (before I knew I really didn't need a SC for anything). I would not however trade/sell my car to buy a new one to have it installed. That is just plain silly economics since the hit you would take on the car would more than pay the costs if you ever had to replace an engine.

I figured that was the case. And of course you are the first to ever, ever do that!

I've never been this old before!

I was bored one day, so I made a spreadsheet of everything I wanted to do to my car, including the edelbrock supercharger. It doubled the cost of my car even without expensive racing parts, just daily driving awesomeness. I didn't even bother mentioning this to my wife. It would be so cool though. It's on my list of things to do in the event of a lottery win.

And never will be again.

Definitely save and supercharge the one you have now. Definitely definitely definitely. You'll thank all of us later when you have a car completely payed off with a beastly FI system installed.

You only have one list? I have 3 for the FRS lol

Well, from the original list I started crossing out items and making substitutions to create more reasonable lists. I really don't need to spend 27K in parts for my car. As much as I would love a set of RS05RRs powdercoated glossy bronze, TSW Nurburgrings will do just fine. I think I have lists for 27K (master list), 15K, 7K, and 4K.

My list was much shorter and cheaper. It is also complete.

there ya go. thats more like it lol

You know, for someone who puts as many miles on their car as you do, I think you should know that Velox splitters and diffusers make noticeable improvement to your mpg. Especially if combined with their rear diff upgrade and the JDM under panels. More efficiency is always better.

I don't think I will do much better than the 35 mpg average I get now. Besides since the bottom of my bumper looks like a chainsaw was taken to it and most of the plastic splash guard under the rad is missing I would not give a splitter much of a life expectancy. Although I have embraced my inner ricer and wanted a "diffuser" for the rear simply to look nice I don't think I could ever have the looks of the Velox grow on me. I could never get over the feeling I should find a giant potato to slice up for fries.

You get 35 mpg? I get 24. :( That's the one reason I halfway regret not getting an automatic.

the service manager is SAWFT

Yep, but 98% of my driving is at 75mph, on open highway, with cruise on. I can frequently do 150 minutes of my 2 hour commute and never touch a pedal. The joys of a busy but uncrowded highway system where I drive. It makes a difference.
Oh, and mine is not an auto.