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select20 08-03-2016 07:24 AM

Slight engine stutter when AC is running?
 
This only happens when it's like 90+ outside and it's very noticeable. If I'm running the AC at night or when it's not as hot, it never stutters. Also, it's a consistent stutter, like every 3 seconds.

Really curious if anyone else has had this.

Tcoat 08-03-2016 07:37 AM

Everybody has this. The compressor kicks in and out a lot. Small displacement engines have to struggle a bit. Not a problem so don't worry.

FRSBRZGT86FAN 08-03-2016 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by select20 (Post 2719803)
This only happens when it's like 90+ outside and it's very noticeable. If I'm running the AC at night or when it's not as hot, it never stutters. Also, it's a consistent stutter, like every 3 seconds.

Really curious if anyone else has had this.

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2719805)
Everybody has this. The compressor kicks in and out a lot. Small displacement engines have to struggle a bit. Not a problem so don't worry.


Well known issue, even higher displacement motors I know do this, I've seen coyote powered 2012-2016 mustangs do this as well. It's just the sudden load on the motor. Also our compressors cycle on an off, on what I believe is a pressure based switch, so it may be a consistent on and off engagement of the compressor which is normal.

Sigh-on-Rice 08-03-2016 03:59 PM

Mine does this too sometimes. When it does it, it does it for the whole trip. When it doesn't, it doesn't for the whole trip. BUT, mine does it when the compressor kicks in, which is about 10 to 15 seconds. Not 3 seconds.

humfrz 08-04-2016 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by select20 (Post 2719803)
This only happens when it's like 90+ outside and it's very noticeable. If I'm running the AC at night or when it's not as hot, it never stutters. Also, it's a consistent stutter, like every 3 seconds.

Really curious if anyone else has had this.

I just returned from the warm side of our state (98 degrees F) and noticed the engine would "pull down" a bit (especially at idle) when the A/C compressor would kick in, also the idle would be a bit rougher.

If you would call that a "stutter" then yes.

Back-in-the-day ....... a "stutter" would be like a spark plug was fouled...;)


humfrz

Ultramaroon 08-04-2016 02:42 AM

If you listen carefully, engine RPM actually drops momentarily when the compressor clutch releases. At least mine does.

Also, every 3 seconds doesn't sound right. Did you mean to type "30?"

select20 08-14-2016 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 2720634)
I just returned from the warm side of our state (98 degrees F) and noticed the engine would "pull down" a bit (especially at idle) when the A/C compressor would kick in, also the idle would be a bit rougher.

If you would call that a "stutter" then yes.

Back-in-the-day ....... a "stutter" would be like a spark plug was fouled...;)


humfrz

This is exactly what it makes me think of, except it only does it when the AC is on.

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2720643)
If you listen carefully, engine RPM actually drops momentarily when the compressor clutch releases. At least mine does.

Also, every 3 seconds doesn't sound right. Did you mean to type "30?"

No I did mean 3 seconds. Maybe more like 3-5, but I'm not exagerating. Only when the AC is running on a hot day. If the AC is going at night, or just when it isn't hot, it never "stutters" or what ever you want to call it.

Also, sorry to take so long to get back, had some "technical" problems. With phone/pc/internet. I think it was the storms.

select20 08-14-2016 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2719805)
Everybody has this. The compressor kicks in and out a lot. Small displacement engines have to struggle a bit. Not a problem so don't worry.

Ok well, that makes me feel better. Some times it will "stutter" multiple times and the AC doesn't come back on. If it takes a few minutes to kick back on and I start getting hot, I'll just hold in the clutch and rev the engine to 5k+ and it pops back on immediately.

Ultramaroon 08-14-2016 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by select20 (Post 2728919)
No I did mean 3 seconds. Maybe more like 3-5, but I'm not exagerating. Only when the AC is running on a hot day. If the AC is going at night, or just when it isn't hot, it never "stutters" or what ever you want to call it.

Also, sorry to take so long to get back, had some "technical" problems. With phone/pc/internet. I think it was the storms.

What you're describing sounds to me like what's called "idle hunt" which happens when something throws off the air-fuel mixture in a manner which the ECU is unable to control. The most common is a vacuum leak.

humfrz 08-14-2016 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by select20 (Post 2728920)
Ok well, that makes me feel better. Some times it will "stutter" multiple times and the AC doesn't come back on. If it takes a few minutes to kick back on and I start getting hot, I'll just hold in the clutch and rev the engine to 5k+ and it pops back on immediately.

You might consider taking your car into a shop that has a A/C checking/repair capability and have the refrigerant level checked.

Sometimes when a compressor is low on gas, it can give weird signals that might affect the engine.

Back-in-the-day ..... I'd guess that your cooler was low on ice ...... :respekt:


humfrz

Muaddib 08-14-2016 04:05 PM

Idle at 2k rpm and you will be fine.

select20 08-16-2016 08:50 AM

Thanks for all the replies everyone. Much appreciated. Will take it to shop and get it checked just for peace of mind.

FX86 08-16-2016 11:20 AM

my A/C always turns off because I can't stop redlining it with the pedal to the floor...then you start feeling really hot...that's how those race car drivers must feel with no A/C i guess

humfrz 08-16-2016 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FX86 (Post 2730285)
my A/C always turns off because I can't stop redlining it with the pedal to the floor...then you start feeling really hot...that's how those race car drivers must feel with no A/C i guess

Dang hot rod ........ :slap:



humfrz

FX86 08-16-2016 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 2730414)
Dang hot rod ........ :slap:



humfrz

it always happens in 1st and 2nd gear...sometimes 3rd..4th gear only in mexico

Ultramaroon 08-16-2016 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by select20 (Post 2730226)
Thanks for all the replies everyone. Much appreciated. Will take it to shop and get it checked just for peace of mind.

Please do follow up if you learn anything. Good luck.

HotlavaFRSGT86 08-16-2016 11:10 PM

AC idle problem
 
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Originally Posted by select20 (Post 2719803)
This only happens when it's like 90+ outside and it's very noticeable. If I'm running the AC at night or when it's not as hot, it never stutters. Also, it's a consistent stutter, like every 3 seconds.

Really curious if anyone else has had this.

Yea like some have said here, its a smaller engine problem, the AC kicking on and off bogs a small motor, mine used to do it all the time sometimes dropping As low as 300 rpm until i bought the Vishnu OFT, now that it has the new software and a higher idle it doesn't do it anymore. The Vishnu tablet was a great upgrade and puts the idle where it should be, around 800, these motors idle too low from the factory.

Ultramaroon 08-16-2016 11:28 PM

Welcome to the forum.

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Originally Posted by HotlavaFRSGT86 (Post 2730884)
Yea like some have said here, its a smaller engine problem, the AC kicking on and off bogs a small motor

Not every three seconds.

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The Vishnu tablet was a great upgrade and puts the idle where it should be, around 800, these motors idle too low from the factory.
No. 650 RPM has been a standard for many decades.

HotlavaFRSGT86 08-18-2016 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2730898)
Welcome to the forum.


Not every three seconds.


No. 650 RPM has been a standard for many decades.

Yea mine wasn't every 3 seconds but each vehicle no matter if the same model and make varies in operation. And yes an average of 650 rpm has been a staple for an idle for a few decades, but it doesn't mean that its a great idle for these engines. Mine before my Vishnu tablet install would idle as low as 500 occaisionally and would feel like it wanted to stall, especially when i would put the AC on.

tofurun 08-19-2016 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2730898)
Welcome to the forum.


Not every three seconds.


No. 650 RPM has been a standard for many decades.

If u turn on the AC but turn the fan speed down low it can happen that often. The compressor will kick on and off at low fan speed. If the fan is turned high the comp will stay on and it'll only have a one time bog when it kicks on the first time. If it's bogging and u see the compressor staying on then it's not the AC doing it


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