Endless Monoblock 4-Pot Caliper F&R- Limited to 86 Units
 

http://endless-sport.co.jp/event/cam...416/index.html


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■ period
April 16, 2012 as soon as reached, it will be considered as completed sales ※.
■ Contents
With the launch of increasing "TOYOTA 86 / SUBARU BRZ", we will guide you through the front and rear caliper set of dedicated campaign 86/BRZ from us. There is a limited number, we have provided a dedicated mono-block caliper 86 Toyota / Subaru BRZ. 4POT caliper and consider the balance of vehicles "86/BRZ", realized in a high-dimensional optimum brake balance. This time, we have set up at a special price of limited campaign.
■ target products
ENDLESS Kit caliper only before and after MONO4 & 4r 86/BRZ normal kit price: \ 1,047,900 tax (\ 998,000) campaign price: \ 903,000 including tax (\ 860,000) No. 86 TOYOTA: EDAXZN6 EDZXZC6: SUBARU BRZ No. 86 in sales ※ units: limited sales soon reached, will be sold at regular price.

■ the content of the commodity
Body: caliper
front monobloc 4POT & rear mono block 4POT (only rear)
employ racing Hard anodized ultra- rotor: Front two-piece rotor (φ345 × 32 E slit rotor) rear 3-piece rotor (φ330 × 30 E slit rotor) bell housing: front / Tafuramu finish coat to both rear brake pads: three types of TYPE-R/MX72/CC-Rg If you wish should be handled separately at an additional cost other than the above pad.

■ About monoblock
And mono-block calipers are lightweight and high rigidity, without high, even heat dissipation in the caliper has been molded by the pressure of also forging thousands of tons, also reduces the unsprung weight, impair the motility of 86/BRZ, powerful stopping power to demonstrate.

That's almost half the price of an FRS at the current exchange rate..

Absolutely insane. NEXT!

Yeah. You can get the TRD Set for less :eyebulge:

<3
Endless > TRD :)

I have a full bbk on my Z33... Awesome stuff.. You get what you pay for here.

Awesome; Care to enlighten what separates the Endless Kit from the TRD? Do you have personal experience with this TRD set? According to the manufacturer claims, they are both Monobloc Calipers, except TRD is 6-pot front, and true 4-pot rear; which in and of itself provides both pros and cons. Other than that.....

I mean, if you plan on buying a $25K car and adding $10K+ bling bling brakes...why not just get a fucking Porsche? They already come with big blingy brakes!

They're not really "Bling Blingy Brakes". Thay actually serve a purpose. Companies like TRD/Endless are involved in racing and develop they're products in house or co-op and resale them to recoupe losses/turn a buck.

Considering the age demographic of the 86 (Entry Level Sports Car), there will be a variant of disposable income to be had. Considering the Race Grouping of this car... needless to say, products like these will sale regardless of the cost.

However, I mostly agree with your statement Orbital. For $8K, you can have the upgraded Carbon/Carbon brake package on the Z06 Corvette. Difference is, now you're in a different type of car and financing bracket.

...and now you have it... :iono:

I can think of maybe a dozen cars that will actually need this much braking force/capacity. Mine is not one of those cars. O_O

Am I the only one who finds this funny?
The a brand named Endless making a limited release run of product.

Need, no. Nobody Needs this car either. Want, yes; most definitely.

Actually that is pretty funny... :thumbsup:

you may get what you pay for to a degree, but just because endless races doesn't mean this is the best kit out there. It seems really quick for any kit to be released that is truely designed for this car. I suspect that they took an off the shelf caliper with a standard piston size, and made a mounting bracket. That's not exactly the same as maximizing the braking system with high dollar parts. brake bias, pistons size, brake booster, etc all have to be addressed. For $8k you could get tilton pedals, master cyl, and really nice billet calipers with upsized rotors for the car.

Not saying these are junk, but until someone unbiased tests them, I wouldn't think this is the best use of $8k...

Matt

Ummm............. :search:

http://www.endlessusa.com/

http://www.endless-sport.co.jp/

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient...w=1143&bih=766

While I agree with part of your statement, there is a lot lacking in knowledge there. It is because they race and are heavily involved in testing their own product that they feel this is the best braking component for use on the 86 without having to modify the rest of the braking system; which could lead over $10K in personal R&D, Labor, Track time, etc. Especially to noobs.

Monobloc tends to mean Billet or Aluminum....

You're entitled to your opinion. Have a nice day.

As opposed to dropping ~$12.5k on this kit? :lol:

By the way, a 2-piece caliper is usually stiffer than a 1-piece monoblock or billet caliper.

http://stoptech.com/technical-suppor...s-2pc-calipers

:iono: wut?

I'll tell you what; if you can explain that technical garbage, since you dropped it, I'm here to listen. Otherwise, if you're completely uncertain what it means yourself, :popcorn:

What Sports Car comes with StopTech Brakes? What Sports car comes with 2-piece Brakes? I honestly can't think of any off the top of my head. I won't say none because I have never researched this. However, narrowing the field, many use Monobloc Brembo Brakes; Corvette Z06/ZR1, Porsche, Etc, as well as Motorcycles like Ducati. Vehicles whose true purpose is race oriented; and they win. Monobloc Calipers are lighter and larger. Less unsprung weight is key. Larger Rotors and pads leads to larger surface area and less heat which equates to longevity/endurance. Even better; Carbon/Carbon components.

I could go on, but that's :offtopic:

You can only stop as quickly as you have grip. Considering the light weight of our cars, I think these brakes will be overkill for any street tire.

Quite a few actually; Stoptech does a lot of OEM calipers. You just don't hear about it because they are rebranded and there are NDAs and such. I think the IS-F and a lot of toyota/lexus 4-pots are Stoptech.

But what do you need me to explain? It's not a very complex article and is dumbed-down for the average person. Try reading it all the way through.

My point though, is that people get all excited about "monobloc" and "billet" calipers when there is nothing all that special about them and they're not any better than a standard 2-piece caliper. What that means, since you asked, is that the caliper is made of two machined pieces bolted together instead of cut out of one solid chunk. What the article alludes to is that in order to get the same stiffness out of a monobloc you need to run a bunch of steel bolts through it. Not really surprising: they are both about the same shape and made out of the same material (so same E), and the steel bolts is where the stiffness comes from. When you are buying fancy brakes, stiffness is very important. Although probably not as important as piston sizing, pad selection, and parts availability.

Spending $10k for some limited edition set of brakes is like the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. You can almost go to CCM rotors for that.

And aren't endless brakes just rebranded brembos?

Uh, the new Viper, for one, comes with StopTech supplied brakes. It also 2-piece rotors.

Yep; bigger tires and rims are usually the idea.

Sweet; show me the way to a bolt on CCM setup.

Personal experience on Monobloc vs 2-piece, please share?

Mine:

I have a Hayabusa and a Ducati 1198R. 'Busa has 2-piece and Duc has Monobloc. Keeping it simple, the 'Busa can't stop worth a damn after I've been on the brakes, i.e. they're heated. That Duc can go all day and forever until those pads and rotors are dead and still stop, i.e. limited brake fade. World of difference.

Like I said, I don't know which vehicles have StopTech Brakes. I have never heard of the IS-F winning races; but I have heard of Porsche and Chevy winning with Monobloc's. In fact, I have heard of Monobloc's way before I ever heard of 2-piece's, for just that very reason. Since you brought up CCM, every CCM I've ever seen utilizes Mono setups... :happy0180:

I see what you did there...

IDK, but TRD are re-branded Brembos.

So two completely different bikes with different rotor sizes and pads and fluid. And how much heavier is the busa? How does fade have anything to do with the construction of the caliper? What are we even arguing about?

All I am trying to say is that there is nothing special about monoblock calipers or endless brakes.

And I don't know what cars use Stoptech calipers. They won't tell me or you or anyone else. But quite a few cars that have mfg-branded fixed 4 or 6-pot calipers use them.

No thanks ill wait for AP or StopTech!!

AP is the way to go for big budget brakes. For whoever was asking about carbon ceramic rotors, AP is also the answer.

Performance Friction also makes serious brakes.

Both of these companies > Endless.

Brembo owns ap, and like I mentioned, brembo and endless brakes are VERY similar. Take a look at the Brembo GTR brakes and the Endless race brakes. They even use the same font...

Honestly, AP/Brembo/Endless, Stoptech, PF, and Alcon all make good stuff. It's the knockoffs like rotora and k-sport and the companies that do a half-assed job at engineering (I would name a brand or two but that would just cause more trouble) that people should avoid.

Source?

ok, I converted the 1,047,900 yen to CAD and came up with close to 14,000 dollars. Unless this kit comes with a built in GPS unit that will automatically adjust brake bias for each corner of every track in the world while also learning my personal braking tastes and tailoring the bias to suit my desires, there no way in hell a BBK is worth that much. EVER. It's a few pads, rotors, calibers, and mounting brackets. What the hell could possible cost them that much? And don't say intellectual property, they didn't come up with some new form of cold fusion braking. Honestly that price makes me think they're going for the more money then brains market and I'm lacking money more than I am brains.

Why do the subsidiaries never have the info on their sites, damnit?

http://www.apracing.com/aboutus.aspx

To give you the illusion of choice and cause threads like this on internet forums.

Interesting that AP seems to be positioned as the 'flagship', given the F1 success.

Now I can't hate on Brembo anymore, I guess... (only because of Unique Whips)

Ya Id expect at least a full CCM set-up for that price, retarded.

I'm an Alcon fan

Ultra blingy brakes + fanboi = crap discussion. :sigh: This thread is filled to the brim with BS.

Endless no doubt makes quality products, but for that kind of coin you have to be off your rocker if you dont think you are paying for the showoff factor.
I could source a fully functional WRC water-cooled setup or 8-pot stoppers that are even more excessive yet offer better function... rotors included. :confused0068:

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I could source a fully functional WRC water-cooled setup or 8-pot stoppers that are even more excessive yet offer better function... rotors included. :confused0068:[/QUOTE]

troof

NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! I cant afford atm but anyone who can, GET THESE!!!!!!!! Expensive but the best of the best.....

Edit......... I just read a few posts that i didnt bother reading befor i too posted..... Dissing them and comparing to other brands... Fair enough they are ridiculously priced, no doubt but no more than ARC was to the chinese knock offs for arguments sake... I cant justify these to anyone but people are buying TRD brake kits even though its well argued and evident to an extent the GT86/FRS/BRZ only needs a pad, oil and lines change to be optimal more than enough track wise.......

This is to me the best brake company in the world...... If i was looking to upgrade which i eventually will be i would love to have got these..... But even i cant afford them..... I would get project-mu, not much cheaper but not AS expensive....... Each to there own........

What is the point of this statement?

To Red Bull's F1 team, plus EVERY winning F1 team since 1967, AP is better. (Brakes and/or clutches.)

That carry's a bit more weight...

ATM, sorry not my cup of tea. :barf:

That's a little misleading. Red Bull runs Brembo calipers and, I believe, an AP clutch. The teams running AP calipers are, afaik; Williams, Lotus, Force India, Caterham, and Marussia. Basically, half of the teams run Brembo calipers, almost half of the teams run AP calipers (also Brembo, technically), and McLaren are a bunch of weirdos (Akebono). The disc suppliers are more diverse, with several teams being supplied by aerospace contractors like Messier-Bugatti and Hitco instead of Brembo/AP.

I covered my ass with the 'brakes and/or clutches' bit... ;)


My point is basically: 'This is to me the best brake company in the world' is a ridiculous statement.

'They are my favourite brake company in the world.' is far better.