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The only way to really compete with a Camaro SS is:


http://cdn.gospelherald.com/data/ima...lby-gt-500.jpg

HAHAHAHA


Dump about 25k into your car and you may keep up with one all around

I've been on here a year and have tinted my windows and changed out some silver interior bits. (Slow learner)

I'd suggest reading for several more months.

In a straight line? You bought the wrong car. On the track? You need tires, brake pads, brake fluid, and seat time. You'll be passing camaros almost immediately.

I've already lapped a 2016 Camaro SS at the tracks last month with no FI. If you mean to street race from one red light to another or, even more recklessly speaking, pull on one at speed on the freeway, you bought the wrong car and should probably just trade in for a 2017 Camaro lol.

Edit: damn you guys responded quickly, beat me to every punch while on my phone...

Edit 2: stick to Civic crushing haha

Stickers. Buy all the stickers.

what did the camaro ss ever do to you? lol ....way too specific of a car in this case

You're going to need a pretty good wallet. The guys saying they're passing Camaros must be on extremely tight courses with no straights at all. The sixth gen Camaro can handle, and they are extremely quick in a straight line.


When people start talking about power to weight they never seem to account for overall power and just speak in peak numbers. The Camaro has a broad torque curve, and horsepower that climbs rapidly. That is nearly impossible to match with the FA20 without some serious modifications.


This car and forum has many options for upgrades and a wide variety of experience on tap. If you plan on seriously making power with the car, you will need a LOT of supporting modifications, and overall the Camaro would have been a cheaper buy.

That... plus he was a shit driver lol. Him and a buddy with a 2016 Viper were creating all sorts of traffic buildup

You'll have that.

I have read about 100 posts for every one I have made and figure I am through about 2% of the information available here!

If you're talking straight line, I agree with the above comments - it'll be cheaper just trading in for a muscle car.

But if you really want to stick with your car, ask these guys for their mod list. The second video claims the BRZ had 360 whp, but you should message them directly.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2ydSvL3RKY"]Camaro SS vs Turbo Brz - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSu3b2PSUHM"]Camaro ss 420whp vs brz turbo 360whp - YouTube[/ame]

Pretty sure we're talking about sixth gens here.....stout BRZ though, lol.

If we are not talking current gen then there is a whole era of Camaros that a stock 86 could kick their ass even in a straight line!


http://2016camaro.com/wp-content/upl...s_pictures.jpg

LOL does it really matter in this case? His goal is just to "stay competitive" with one. That second BRZ did a 12.7 @ 115. The sixth gen does what a 12.3 @ 116? If he manages to build his BRZ to that level, he'd have hit his goal.

Probably will want an engine swap with at least a v6/h6 and turbo charged maybe even the twin turbos yummy 2jz you'll eat plenty of cars for breakfast lol

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In a straight line? idgaf

Around a course with corners: drive better than the camaro guy, driving lessons are cheaper than turbos

It matters quite a bit. The sixth gen is an entirely different car. All depends on overall goals I guess, but the sixth gen does everything better than the previous gen.

I would want to be seen in the Camaro though...

I'd actually be interested in this one. Which courses do the twins beat out a 2017 Camaro using the same driver? In the US recorded times anyways.

I wanna troll and say ask Mike BRZ bout 1/4 mile... but prob bad troll lol

Anyways, you wanna go fast as Camaro SS in...? Autox? Track? Drag? Rally? or hardpark? (joke on hardpark)

With a skilled driver in both?

None. Even an autocross of sufficient size to attract talented drivers will allow the Camaro to showcase it's straightline speed and it's large OE wheels allow a lot of rubber to compensate for the weight in the corners. And with a shit driver in both the Camaro will do even better because point and shoot straightline speed will compensate for the slow corners.

Here's a recent autocross national tour results page, that means mild modifications including brakes and alignment and equal footing on tire compound (both top Camaro and FRS on RE71R's). 2016 Camaro is up ~2s pretty consistently even at different venues.

(Compare the top 'C street' to the top 'F street')
http://cdn.growassets.net/user_files...pdf?1468289548

http://cdn.growassets.net/user_files...pdf?1461593953

I think last years championships had rain so the results aren't directly comparable across classes.



But my point is, show up to your average track day novice-intermediate group, if you can drive a stock 86 at it's maximum potential you will pass all kinds of V8 Pony Cars, BMW M cars, STI's, and Porsche's. Hell even at local events I've finished ahead of all of the mentioned 'fast cars' without anything crazy done to my FR-S (or the Mini I've been in recently).

:burnrubber:

Turbo LSx swap.

And bags so yyou can be way lower, bro.

Kind of just proving a point. Without a ton of modifications this car won't be able to "beat" a brand new Camaro. Driver skill is obviously important, and I firmly believe that to be the most important thing....however, there is a huge performance deficit between the two vehicles. Comparing an experienced 86 driver to a grouping of beginner - intermediate drivers is not a fair comparison. Most of those guys are just getting used to the track and its rules and probably have instructors riding along telling them to let others pass.

Was that filmed with the Nokia Brick phone?

This is the only correct answer! :wub:




Or


Maybe this....



https://youtu.be/H3wFMFbue6E

The 'Stang would be cheaper and more reliable!

And actually be able to put the power down ha ha.

Comparing an 86 to a new gen Pony Car is like comparing apples to kumquats! Yes, the old gens were wallowing boats but neither the new Camaros nor Mustangs are anymore. They are starting to actually become the "sports cars" that they have so often been called.


I know that many feel this is a track based forum but I still chuckle as soon as the whole "but on the track..." thing starts. I have no idea what the percentage of time on a track (these cars that actually see one ever) but bet there are so many zeros between the decimal point and the number it is silly. On the street all the HP and goodies of the SS or GT are wasted most of the time no matter how good the driver is. The 86 has the advantage of it can actually use 80% of it's abilities instead of about 15% (there is a valid reason for all the Mustang crashing memes). The bloody thing was built to entertain and engage the driver in a different way than the Pony Cars and it does that very well. People that want Pony Car performance and style of driving should have bought one.


Now as far as the whole "put this that or the other engine in it" thing goes that is a whole different story. Those engine swapped, reinforced, huge wheeled, heavily modified Frankenstein's that are getting Pony Car drag times are NOT fucking FRSs or BRZs! They are basic components of them yes but they no longer should be called the name. The minute that engine comes out and everything is swapped to support the "upgrade" it is now just a Twin shell on a whole new platform.


I love my car but am under no illusions that it will ever EVER compete with the likes of top trim Camaros and Mustangs driven by another driver with the same level of skill that I have. It wasn't meant to compete with them from the start and anybody that thinks it was needs to wake up.

Add 150hp to achieve the same power/weight:

455/3685=8.09 lbs per hp

200/2800=14 lbs per hp
350/2800=8 lbs per hp

comment of the year for me...summed up my thoughts exactly when the fr-s is compared to the other sports cars

lol - you sound like me talking about peak HP numbers. "you're there how often? and for how long? and you're going to spend how much for the ability to brag on a forum?"

Best solution - edit your initial post font size to forum default. This will have as much of an effect on 86 vs Camaro as, well, just about fucking anything else.

THIS is what I'm always trying to convey. Although I still believe the car needs more power to bring the fun level up. :cheers::respekt:




LOL ye olde mandatory peak HP per lb comment.:clap:

Perfectly relevant for this bench race. :shrug:

I made this argument to my wife involving my BRZ vs. her 328i. Which the BRZ won, by the way. She told me I needed to find a hobby. I told her coming up with irrelevant statistics was my hobby. She told me I needed to find another hobby.

The only reason I posted in this thread is to state that no amount of money spent on modifications or faster cars will overcome a talent deficit.

The reality is if OP actually goes out and tries to measure up to others at an autocross or HPDE, nobody is going to make it fair for him. He'll be on track with other 'first timers' that have more prior experience and blow his doors off in a stock NA Miata, no matter what he does to his FRS. And odds are it will only happen more frequently as he moves out of novice groups into the big boy pool unless he puts some serious work in.

In what context? In terms of benchracing idealized test scenarios?

Who gives a shit?

I started going in depth, but then I decided I didn't care enough to finish it. The tl;dr is if you go back and look at the autocross results the STX FRS/BRZ's are about 0.2s slower than the F Street Camaro's and Mustangs, ballpark it's about $7k-$12k to build a competitive STX car but 90% of the performance is header, tune, wheels and tires, coilovers and alignment which can be done for about $6k. Add FI to that recipe and boom, your 86 is probably faster than a new Pony car at an autocross (or tight road course, modern autocrosses are big and sweeping to interest modern pony cars, corvettes, porsche's etc.) after about $10k invested into it.

To my knowledge the '16 Camaro SS has only been on Streets of Willow and landed a 1:22, current lap record in 86 cup in 'unlimited class' is 1:25

https://www.86cup.us/records/

I'd suspect similar minimum price of entry for that, somewhere between $10k-$15k to be 3s slower than a new Camaro. By looking up Laguna Seca stuff I think that will also be roughly in the same ballpark, ~3s slower than an SS. To 'beat' one on track, I think you're right, tens of thousands of dollars plus the skill and talent to put out a lap on par with professional racing drivers.

oh, then you did a very poor job of it.

OP couldn't handle the truth

This car's superpower is being 1000 lbs lighter than the Camaro. If you cant appreciate the driving benefits of being that light, you bought the wrong car.

If you want to toss the gauntlet at the Pony Cars, ask them if they can shed the extra weight.