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benlaz88 07-18-2016 03:21 PM
Rear and front camber opinion.
 
I just had my alignment done. Its seem like my front camber did not change. I had the spc camber bolt in the front on the bottom hole. Its this number look ok?. I was hoping -1.4 up front. Any though would be great! Thanks

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benlaz88 07-18-2016 03:28 PM
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strat61caster 07-18-2016 03:44 PM
Your shop didn't adjust them, take it back or find another shop.
Ideally this issue should have been raised before you took your car back.

benlaz88 07-18-2016 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2707381)
Your shop didn't adjust them, take it back or find another shop.
Ideally this issue should have been raised before you took your car back.
I did told them that they didnt adjust the front. The tech came out and told me i can try if i can get the neg camber but he cant guarentee it. The only thing i see is the right toe was change. Plus im out of time, So i dont want to argue with them. i will try to go to diff location at the same shop. I have the lifetime alignment with them. Do u think -1.4 should be good up front?

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strat61caster 07-18-2016 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by benlaz88 (Post 2707391)
Do u think -1.4 should be good up front?
It's a good starting point, good luck.

benlaz88 07-18-2016 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2707392)
It's a good starting point, good luck.
Thanks

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JazzleSAURUS 07-18-2016 04:04 PM
You need to tell the tech what your goal is. If you want -1.4, tell them to try and hit it.

Personally, if you just have camber bolts up front, I'd tell them to aim for as much as they can get up front to gain more negative front than you have rear. (Even though.)

Do you have any other mods, or just camber bolts?

benlaz88 07-18-2016 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JazzleSAURUS (Post 2707398)
You need to tell the tech what your goal is. If you want -1.4, tell them to try and hit it.

Personally, if you just have camber bolts up front, I'd tell them to aim for as much as they can get up front to gain more negative front than you have rear. (Even though.)

Do you have any other mods, or just camber bolts?
Just the spc camber boltbup front

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JazzleSAURUS 07-18-2016 04:10 PM
Alright, then my suggestion would be to hit around -2.5 if they can, and when you have components to dial back the camber in the rear a bit, you can play with the fronts more.

Also, zero toe.

benlaz88 07-18-2016 04:10 PM
Ok thank you!

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DarkSunrise 07-18-2016 04:59 PM
I would try a different shop or different mechanic. With Whiteline camber bolts (identical to SPC), I was able to get the following alignment:

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Front: Camber -1.4L -1.5R
Rear Camber -1.0L -1.4R

0 toe all around.
This was on stock suspension. Judging by your rear camber it looks like you're lowered around 1.5" so you should be able to get even more than that in the front, possibly closer to -1.8 degrees although every car varies. I would just ask for as much negative camber in the front as you can get evenly.

Also if you're at a shop that doesn't do specific alignments (i.e., just puts it within factory spec), it might help to tip the mechanic with money or beer. Sears is like that but I once was able to get a custom alignment by tipping the mechanic a $20.

DAEMANO 07-18-2016 05:05 PM
+1 on finding another shop. In Tempe/Phoenix you should be able to find a shop that specializes in Subarus and does performance oriented alignments that knows this platform very well.

renfield90 07-18-2016 06:10 PM
Latest alignment discussion: http://www.azsolo.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14487

All the recommended places will do a custom alignment for you.

CCJ 07-18-2016 11:13 PM
If you're lowered with camber bolts and that's it, I would max my camber myself and then take to a shop to have them set the toe.

benlaz88 07-18-2016 11:34 PM
Ok thanks everyone!! Yes i forgot to mention i do have lower spring- sportline

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benlaz88 07-18-2016 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 2707442)
I would try a different shop or different mechanic. With Whiteline camber bolts (identical to SPC), I was able to get the following alignment:



This was on stock suspension. Judging by your rear camber it looks like you're lowered around 1.5" so you should be able to get even more than that in the front, possibly closer to -1.8 degrees although every car varies. I would just ask for as much negative camber in the front as you can get evenly.

Also if you're at a shop that doesn't do specific alignments (i.e., just puts it within factory spec), it might help to tip the mechanic with money or beer. Sears is like that but I once was able to get a custom alignment by tipping the mechanic a $20.
Did u put ur camber bolt on the bottom slot?

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DarkSunrise 07-19-2016 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by benlaz88 (Post 2707736)
Did u put ur camber bolt on the bottom slot?

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No top slot with tab facing the strut, like this:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...8&d=1371515612

benlaz88 07-19-2016 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 2708318)
No top slot with tab facing the strut, like this:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...8&d=1371515612
Oh ok. The instruction said bottom. Interesting....

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finch1750 07-22-2016 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 2708318)
No top slot with tab facing the strut, like this:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...8&d=1371515612
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Originally Posted by benlaz88 (Post 2708512)
Oh ok. The instruction said bottom. Interesting....

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1) Whats the part number?

2) lifetime alignements usually mean you have to take it back multiple times for them to get it right (I know I do). Try aday theh are normally slow so they dont rush it. I persoannly use it only to get my toe in line from time to time and pay a good shop when I have specs I want to hit

Wyattkb 07-22-2016 08:54 AM
Network Alignment on the west side of town did my alignment. They work with fully built race cars all the time and will get it to whatever specs you provide, given you have the correct parts to achieve said specs.

Then you have like 60 days if you think something is not to your specs for them to throw it on the rack again free of charge.

Also I have my camber bolts in the same top slot.:thumbup:

benlaz88 07-22-2016 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by finch1750 (Post 2710464)
1) Whats the part number?

2) lifetime alignements usually mean you have to take it back multiple times for them to get it right (I know I do). Try aday theh are normally slow so they dont rush it. I persoannly use it only to get my toe in line from time to time and pay a good shop when I have specs I want to hit
Part # 81305 the SPC bolt

finch1750 07-22-2016 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by benlaz88 (Post 2710948)
Part # 81305 the SPC bolt
that belongs in the bottom hole

solidONE 07-22-2016 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by benlaz88 (Post 2708512)
Oh ok. The instruction said bottom. Interesting....

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The idea is to shift the upper hole inward toward the body and/or shift the lower hole outwards to create more of an angle.

ChrisSC300 07-24-2016 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by benlaz88 (Post 2708512)
Oh ok. The instruction said bottom. Interesting....

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I have the same Bolts and installed mine in the bottom like the instructions said. I got -1.5 on each side. Have another shop do the alignment and let them know you want max negative camber. They will look at you funny but will do it if thats what you want.

I would recommend following the instructions on bolt placement. Different part numbers have different instructions. The top and bottom bolts are different sizes. Also the position of the "lobe" for camber adjustment is opposite if you put them on top.

benlaz88 07-27-2016 01:38 PM
I went to the different shop, they said they not able to get the camber more than -.08 in the front. Did i installed the bolt wrong?

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Calum 07-27-2016 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by benlaz88 (Post 2714535)
I went to the different shop, they said they not able to get the camber more than -.08 in the front. Did i installed the bolt wrong?

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Shows us a pick of your install.

I hope to god you didn't pay for that.

benlaz88 07-27-2016 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Calum (Post 2714659)
Shows us a pick of your install.

I hope to god you didn't pay for that.
Ok i will take a pic later this week. No he didnt charge me for it

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renfield90 07-27-2016 06:27 PM
-.08? For real? Or was it -0.8?

Which shop did you go to? Hard to install this wrong.

I've posted elsewhere but a lot of places will look at their database, see "front camber not adjustable," and tell you that they won't adjust camber (honest places) or make up a story about how they tried and couldn't get more than X camber (dishonest places).

In particular if you went to one of the places in the thread I posted, and they didn't bother to get you any camber, I'd like to know about it to warn others.

If you're using the SPC bolt there is no reason you shouldn't be over -1.0 at a bare minimum, unless you got oddball hardware from the factory. I'd also like to see pics.

benlaz88 07-28-2016 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by renfield90 (Post 2714809)
-.08? For real? Or was it -0.8?

Which shop did you go to? Hard to install this wrong.

I've posted elsewhere but a lot of places will look at their database, see "front camber not adjustable," and tell you that they won't adjust camber (honest places) or make up a story about how they tried and couldn't get more than X camber (dishonest places).

In particular if you went to one of the places in the thread I posted, and they didn't bother to get you any camber, I'd like to know about it to warn others.

If you're using the SPC bolt there is no reason you shouldn't be over -1.0 at a bare minimum, unless you got oddball hardware from the factory. I'd also like to see pics.
Lol i mean-0.8

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renfield90 07-28-2016 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by benlaz88 (Post 2715092)
Lol i mean-0.8

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I know a local who could only get -0.8 to -0.9 with the factory crash bolt installed. So it's possible that's all your car's geometry will support. That said I'd expect the SPC bolt to provide a tad more than that, and he has a really rare and extreme case - I don't know anyone else who can't get more than -1.0 on stock hardware with a crash bolt.

Really recommend you just do it yourself so you know it's done right, then get a toe alignment afterwards. Loosen both bolts, carefully place a jack under the brake rotor and jack it up some to shove the strut inwards, then torque the nuts to spec before loosening the jack. For a tiny bit extra loosen the three nuts on the top hat when you do this.

benlaz88 07-29-2016 08:06 PM
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Lol i mean-0.8

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benlaz88 07-29-2016 08:06 PM
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CCJ 07-29-2016 11:46 PM
Looks like you need to rotate the tab 180. That should move the shaft of the bolt (and the bottom of the wheel) out. From there you should be able to rotate the bolt and the lobe will fine tune your adjustment. Torque back to spec when done.

Disclaimer: Due to stock class autocross rules I have never installed an eccentric bolt for camber purposes.

benlaz88 07-29-2016 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CCJ (Post 2716915)
Looks like you need to rotate the tab 180. That should move the shaft of the bolt (and the bottom of the wheel) out. From there you should be able to rotate the bolt and the lobe will fine tune your adjustment. Torque back to spec when done.

Disclaimer: Due to stock class autocross rules I have never installed an eccentric bolt for camber purposes.
Ok i can give it a try. On the instruction. Tab toward the wheel is neg.

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Cybmx 07-30-2016 08:49 AM
The tab seemed right. But you have to rotate the bolt too, where the arrow points towards the wheel. The arrow indicates the highest point of the slop

Northwest86 07-30-2016 10:26 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but the washer is simply that. A washer with a tab.

solidONE 07-30-2016 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Northwest86 (Post 2717105)
Correct me if I'm wrong but the washer is simply that. A washer with a tab.
There is another nub that is bent inwards toward the mounting hole that you don't see in the picture while it's installed. So it is not just a washer with a tab that does nothing.


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