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AdrianSaldana 07-18-2016 12:16 PM

What mod made you think the hardest/long about?
 
and why :) currently mine is the wheels because there are so many and super picky lol

olsonpg 07-18-2016 12:26 PM

supercharger or turbocharger. Built engine or stay under 300.
I should just keep it NA thats the responsible route. :iono:

insert 5 minutes on members journals- Oh ya baby we're going to boost on a built block lets do this.

rinse and repeat.

Gunman 07-18-2016 12:45 PM

Wheels, for the same reason.

krayzie 07-18-2016 12:49 PM

STI Flexible V-Bars; still thinking whether they would induce more demand of mechanical grip from my front tires and haven't commit to buying them yet.

new2subaru 07-18-2016 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olsonpg (Post 2707113)
supercharger or turbocharger. Built engine or stay under 300.
I should just keep it NA thats the responsible route. :iono:

insert 5 minutes on members journals- Oh ya baby we're going to boost on a built block lets do this.

rinse and repeat.

:lol: Ditto! Although, I've finally convinced myself to stay NA.


At least for now...

AdrianSaldana 07-18-2016 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olsonpg (Post 2707113)
supercharger or turbocharger. Built engine or stay under 300.
I should just keep it NA thats the responsible route. :iono:

insert 5 minutes on members journals- Oh ya baby we're going to boost on a built block lets do this.

rinse and repeat.

thats funny because even before i got the car i was already planning on getting a turbo kit :bellyroll: that was no hard thinking for me lol

AdrianSaldana 07-18-2016 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunman (Post 2707130)
Wheels, for the same reason.

i think about it too much and probably end up getting some i dont like :(

lizbrayan 07-18-2016 01:30 PM

Tactrix or oft. Only beating my self up is because I would like to learn the science behind actual tuning and logging not just reflashing.

DAEMANO 07-18-2016 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lizbrayan (Post 2707174)
Tactrix or oft. Only beating my self up is because I would like to learn the science behind actual tuning and logging not just reflashing.

Go with the OFT.

@steve99 gives a great writeup of Tactrix vs. OFT in this thread

kev60625 07-18-2016 03:09 PM

Forced induction, so I went with the bolt ons/tune. Of course I could of spent an extra thousand and gotten a kit instead, definitely regret it..

Wheels also, I didn't want anything too flashy or something I didn't think were good quality. Went with volk ce28n's, very happy with them actually, wish the offset was a little lower though.

DarkSunrise 07-18-2016 03:16 PM

For me so far, suspension. The handling is so good from the factory, I didn't want to risk making it worse. The easy thing would have been to get really expensive dampers (JRZ, Ohlin, Moton, etc.) and call it a day, but I didn't want to spend $3k+ either.

Then Pobst wrote an article describing his experience track-testing a BRZ on RCE T2's, calling the handling balance magic.

http://www.sportscarmag-digital.com/...015?pg=22#pg22

Once I read that and saw they were well within my budget, I bought them. Big purchase, but no regrets. I did an open track day with them a few weeks ago and happy to report Pobst was on the money in his review (as usual).

shiumai 07-18-2016 03:39 PM

Forced induction. Took me 2-1/2 years to decide.

olsonpg 07-18-2016 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdrianSaldana (Post 2707149)
thats funny because even before i got the car i was already planning on getting a turbo kit :bellyroll: that was no hard thinking for me lol

Turbos are so much fun, but I just want to know what 325 lb's of instant torque feels like.

Most likely a crunch and bang followed by a CEL.

AdrianSaldana 07-18-2016 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olsonpg (Post 2707332)
Turbos are so much fun, but I just want to know what 325 lb's of instant torque feels like.

Most likely a crunch and bang followed by a CEL.

coming from a daily driven 07 suzuki sv650, its a nice rush. fastest car ive driven is probably the gtr and my bike is almost on par with it :D

ryoma 07-18-2016 04:30 PM

coilovers. I have been thinking about it ever since I bought my car over a year ago. I ended up meeting halfway with getting springs, but I am still debating on coils. I already have 4 specific coilovers in mind and am still debating... who knows when I will make a decision.

AdrianSaldana 07-18-2016 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryoma (Post 2707368)
coilovers. I have been thinking about it ever since I bought my car over a year ago. I ended up meeting halfway with getting springs, but I am still debating on coils. I already have 4 specific coilovers in mind and am still debating... who knows when I will make a decision.

which ones you thinkin on running?

Mr.Impreza 07-18-2016 05:01 PM

Aftermarket catless header.
Decided it was not for me lol

ryoma 07-18-2016 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdrianSaldana (Post 2707394)
which ones you thinkin on running?

I'm looking at RCE Tarmac 0/2, RSR Clubracer, and HKS Hipermax SP. with the HKS being the cheapest and good spring rates, that is probably what I am leaning most towards. however, the many reviews posted about them are lackluster so I am not sure whether or not they are comparable to others such as RCE or RSR where real testing has been done with them.

AdrianSaldana 07-18-2016 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryoma (Post 2707479)
I'm looking at RCE Tarmac 0/2, RSR Clubracer, and HKS Hipermax SP. with the HKS being the cheapest and good spring rates, that is probably what I am leaning most towards. however, the many reviews posted about them are lackluster so I am not sure whether or not they are comparable to others such as RCE or RSR where real testing has been done with them.

if its mostly for daily driving id probably go with the hks's but thats just me

Gunman 07-19-2016 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdrianSaldana (Post 2707150)
i think about it too much and probably end up getting some i dont like :(

I like what i got, but it took a lot of weight, vs color, vs style debate.

steve99 07-19-2016 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lizbrayan (Post 2707174)
Tactrix or oft. Only beating my self up is because I would like to learn the science behind actual tuning and logging not just reflashing.




here is a bit of a summary of tune systems for this platform


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106068




Both oft and tactrix are opensource, tactrix is cheaper option but easier to make a mistake flashing.


once you get in to the tuning side their not really any difference as your using romraider in most cases to ecit and just using tactrix or oft to flash. OFT makes logging heaps easier and has lots of other useful features like gauge displays etc to make life easier.




you can also self tune with ecutek its just more expensive, but may be a option if your going flex fuel or turbo/sc and you don't want to run the oft tuned kits.

lizbrayan 07-19-2016 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve99 (Post 2708249)
here is a bit of a summary of tune systems for this platform


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106068




Both oft and tactrix are opensource, tactrix is cheaper option but easier to make a mistake flashing.


once you get in to the tuning side their not really any difference as your using romraider in most cases to ecit and just using tactrix or oft to flash. OFT makes logging heaps easier and has lots of other useful features like gauge displays etc to make life easier.




you can also self tune with ecutek its just more expensive, but may be a option if your going flex fuel or turbo/sc and you don't want to run the oft tuned kits.

Yeah I've been playing around with ecuflash and romraider so far I liked ecuflash but I don't know what the difference is between the two. I just know I like ecuflash cause it was pretty straight forward with setup. I will be PM'ing you soon though.

steve99 07-19-2016 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lizbrayan (Post 2708268)
Yeah I've been playing around with ecuflash and romraider so far I liked ecuflash but I don't know what the difference is between the two. I just know I like ecuflash cause it was pretty straight forward with setup. I will be PM'ing you soon though.


Romraider is rom/tune editor only it does not support flashing.


ecuflash is a combined editor and flashing software for tactrix hardware.




people ofen use romraider to edit and ecuflash to just flash.


their is a bit more definition support for romraider with some roms, it is possible to convert romraider defs to ecuflash defs with a little effort.

Twinz 07-19-2016 06:25 PM

Took me a while to pull the trigger on an OEM Audio + setup. The stock sound system was almost tolerable and I really didn't want to add weight to the car. The fact that the location where the sub goes also turned out to be the lightest corner on the car, when I put her on the scales, was just enough of a nudge to put me over the top.

humdizzle 07-20-2016 01:34 AM

been debating on selling or modding

The car is my DD and racking up 300+ miles per week. It looks great, goes great, very fun, cheap to maintain, great gas mileage. But its noisey at 80-90mph, cheap feeling inside, stereo blows. Its great fun around town but on a 40 mile highway commute to work it wears on me a bit.

Wheels, drop, stereo, sound deadening, tint, bodykit.. looking at 4000+. Money that could go towards an e90 m3, c63, or cla45

ughh but a modded frs looks so good too

Strife 07-20-2016 01:47 AM

I have yet to get my frs but I have been thinking forever what color combination I want to do. I'm thinking asphalt gray w/ gold rims... or white with dark grey rims. Color is always the hardest choice for me

PandaSPUR 07-20-2016 01:54 AM

Definitely my wheels.

Coilovers were easier since I just picked a budget and there are only so many good choices out there for each budget level.

Wheels on the other hand, gotta think about:
1. 17 vs 18"
2. How wide? Weight and handling vs concave look
3. What offset?
4. Depending on offset, can your current suspension even fit it?
5. Is it worth it to upgrade suspension (including LCAs and etc for camber) to fit a certain wheel setup?
6. What bout tire size? Meaty, rubber band, neither?
7. The damn tire choice itself.
8. TPMS, matching lug nuts, center caps, etc.

Ended up with this, done the past weekend:
http://i.imgur.com/QoKpjJc.jpg

The only thing that would require more thought and technical detail (IMO) is forced induction or engine swap lol.

gramicci101 07-20-2016 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by humdizzle (Post 2708673)
been debating on selling or modding

The car is my DD and racking up 300+ miles per week. It looks great, goes great, very fun, cheap to maintain, great gas mileage. But its noisey at 80-90mph, cheap feeling inside, stereo blows. Its great fun around town but on a 40 mile highway commute to work it wears on me a bit.

Wheels, drop, stereo, sound deadening, tint, bodykit.. looking at 4000+. Money that could go towards an e90 m3, c63, or cla45.

What would those do that your FRS doesn't? They're definitely more luxurious, quieter inside, and faster. They're probably less wearing on long commutes. New BMWs and Mercedes should have maintenance plans, so that's not an issue. The gas mileage will probably be a little (lot?) worse. Will they be as fun to drive? How important is "fun to drive" for your daily driver compared to noise and comfort? Then what does your FRS do that those wouldn't? The reviews I read when our car came out said it was the best driver's car short of a Carrera 4s, but how important is that compared to the other desires for a daily driver? What about a Carrera 4s? The mileage isn't great, but it's very nice inside and a blast to drive. And PASM makes for a very comfortable ride.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strife (Post 2708675)
I have yet to get my frs but I have been thinking forever what color combination I want to do. I'm thinking asphalt gray w/ gold rims... or white with dark grey rims. Color is always the hardest choice for me

Asphalt grey makes wheel choice hard. There's the plain old silver, but everyone has silver. You could go gunmetal or black, but it just blends in with the rest of the car, where on a white or red car it would stand out. You really only have gold or bronze, or esoteric colors like Volk's velvet blue and red. Which would look amazing against the grey, but they're expensive and a pain to keep clean.

Packofcrows 07-20-2016 02:45 AM

Emblem because racecar.

humdizzle 07-20-2016 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 2708684)
What would those do that your FRS doesn't? They're definitely more luxurious, quieter inside, and faster. They're probably less wearing on long commutes. New BMWs and Mercedes should have maintenance plans, so that's not an issue. The gas mileage will probably be a little (lot?) worse. Will they be as fun to drive? How important is "fun to drive" for your daily driver compared to noise and comfort? Then what does your FRS do that those wouldn't? The reviews I read when our car came out said it was the best driver's car short of a Carrera 4s, but how important is that compared to the other desires for a daily driver? What about a Carrera 4s? The mileage isn't great, but it's very nice inside and a blast to drive. And PASM makes for a very comfortable ride.


thats what im trying to decide. I'd like both fun factor (manual) and comfort. so the e90 m3 seems like the best solution. the logic 7 sound system is pretty damn good and the car rides very well. the steering is a bit numb though compared to the older m3's like the e36 and e46... but i feel that for a daily it would do nice.

I'd like to try an AMG just because i've never had one before. but the lack of a good manual tranny in my life would drive me nuts.

the porsches like the early 997.1's are just too dated for me. and it doesn't make sense to have a 458 and 911 at the same time. although that would be kind of cool.

gramicci101 07-20-2016 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by humdizzle (Post 2708707)
thats what im trying to decide. I'd like both fun factor (manual) and comfort. so the e90 m3 seems like the best solution. the logic 7 sound system is pretty damn good and the car rides very well. the steering is a bit numb though compared to the older m3's like the e36 and e46... but i feel that for a daily it would do nice.

Everything I found about tightening the steering up was talking about getting lesser BMWs up to M3 level, not making the M3 better. The gas mileage did not look that great, but the interior quality and sound system might make up for that. Plus 4 doors could come in handy at times.
Quote:

Originally Posted by humdizzle (Post 2708707)
I'd like to try an AMG just because i've never had one before. but the lack of a good manual tranny in my life would drive me nuts.

the porsches like the early 997.1's are just too dated for me. and it doesn't make sense to have a 458 and 911 at the same time. although that would be kind of cool.

I'm not a Mercedes fan, so I can't really speak to that. Finding Carreras dated made me laugh though. To me, the Carrera body style is a very classic design, with slight revisions throughout its history. I know I loved the C4S I borrowed for a week. My ideal daily driver would be a 997/991 4S or TT. I agree that it would be a bit unrealistic to have a 911 and a 458 at the same time.

AdrianSaldana 07-20-2016 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twinz (Post 2708302)
Took me a while to pull the trigger on an OEM Audio + setup. The stock sound system was almost tolerable and I really didn't want to add weight to the car. The fact that the location where the sub goes also turned out to be the lightest corner on the car, when I put her on the scales, was just enough of a nudge to put me over the top.

stereo does suck tbh, but for the sake of weight reduction i will leave as is:brokenheart:

SleepingPanda 07-20-2016 01:43 PM

My air suspension. I bought it. Then it sat in a box for 4 months while I debated installing it. The car is a lease so I didn't want to go too crazy. Plus I didn't want to destroy the feel of the car. Well I'm happy to report the car is still fun to drive with the air suspension.

Side 07-20-2016 02:14 PM

Supercharger.

I originally wanted the Vortech kit, but after a lot of research I have my heart set on a Jackson Racing kit. Postponing the purchase/install until I'm about halfway through the warranty.

justatroll 07-20-2016 03:29 PM

What have I given the most THOUGHT about?"
1 - I have spent countless hours thinking, calculating, drawing, explaining and arguing about light weight crank pulleys and light weight driveshafts and how they contribute very little to the performance of the car compared to their price.

2 - I spent a lot of time figuring out how to use Romraider, ecuflash, and a tactrix. So the most brain power has probably been spent on DIY tuning because I am a computer nerd extraordinaire...(Yet currently dont have ANY tune on my car)

Lantana frs 07-20-2016 04:09 PM

Right now im thinking about another header. I once had a p&l catted el and the difference was substantial from 3 grand up. Kinda soft below it though.

Romanov 07-20-2016 06:35 PM

Supercharger or turbo, been thinking about it for the last year or so.

geezerbrzeezer 07-20-2016 07:22 PM

Wheels - looked at thousands, and pshopped any that I couldn't see on a twin using a traditional wheel visualizer.

Winning.



Body/lip/aero kits - still looking for that one, ubersexysmooth, 'invisible' but with a "does that twin have any plastic nit fucking noids suckin' it low" casual onlooker question mark.

Losing.

daiheadjai 07-20-2016 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justatroll (Post 2709191)
What have I given the most THOUGHT about?"
1 - I have spent countless hours thinking, calculating, drawing, explaining and arguing about light weight crank pulleys and light weight driveshafts and how they contribute very little to the performance of the car compared to their price.

Dunno about the driveshafts, but the crank pulley makes a palpable difference in driveability (i.e easier to blip throttle for rev-matching, less lag on throttle and building revs).

For me, it was whether or not to install the TRD shifter and MTEC shift springs myself, or pay someone else to do it. Ended up doing it myself and never regretted it.

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Lantana frs 07-20-2016 10:15 PM

I noticed a difference with perrin crank pulley but im now on a warrantied motor and won't mess with crank pulleys again.


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