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TRD_86 07-05-2012 10:53 PM

0 to 60
 
http://www.zeroto60times.com/

I usually check out cars from this site. They do have fair real true test data collection, not like those conservative car factory specs.

Frs at 5.9s
Brz at 6.1s

The insideline tested the Brz show at 7.3s :mad0259:! what the heck with this insideline driver or recorder ? I did couple times w/ my frs and I feel it damn fast for this car and it should be in the low 6s compare to my current IS350 in the low 5s. The 86 is not that slow like the insideline editor driver. Has anyone checked it out yet w/ real proved source data? Please discuss and tip in !

http://www.insideline.com/subaru/brz...and-video.html

Luis_GT 07-05-2012 11:12 PM

I'm surprised by how many reviews place the FR-S/BRZ as a 7 sec 0-60 car... I know it lacks a bit of torque... but my 530 is capable of going from 0-60 in just a bit less than 7 seconds and it only has 25 more HP and 70 more tq... as well as 700 more pounds... The BRZ should, on paper, be faster than my car. :iono:

FRSowner 07-05-2012 11:13 PM

Pick up a G-tech and do your own tests. The older models can be bought for just a few bucks on eBay and they flat out work.

TRD_86 07-05-2012 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis_GT (Post 298481)
I'm surprised by how many reviews place the FR-S/BRZ as a 7 sec 0-60 car... I know it lacks a bit of torque... but my 530 is capable of going from 0-60 in just a bit less than 7 seconds and it only has 25 more HP and 70 more tq... as well as 700 more pounds... The BRZ should, on paper, be faster than my car. :iono:

I know. Just screw insideline :mad0259:!

wallace03 07-05-2012 11:22 PM

ive always noticed zeroto60times.com have different times than the factory estimated on every car. also my current car has 200hp and is about 3600lbs, and i feel like it has plenty of go-go

alyon 07-05-2012 11:25 PM

What what I have heard to get times around 6 seconds you need to do a clutch dump which is above the torque dip... So you're dropping it around 5k.

Many of the mags don't feel like putting it through that much abuse. Other mags such as motortrend are not afraid of it and routinely do big clutch dumps to get the lower times.

They did the same thing with the WRX to get that 5.2 second time (or whatever low 5 sec time).

TRD_86 07-05-2012 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by alyon (Post 298517)
What what I have heard to get times around 6 seconds you need to do a clutch dump which is above the torque dip... So you're dropping it around 5k.

Many of the mags don't feel like putting it through that much abuse. Other mags such as motortrend are not afraid of it and routinely do big clutch dumps to get the lower times.

They did the same thing with the WRX to get that 5.2 second time (or whatever low 5 sec time).

Yes, this is what the pro racer would do on the track. Know the car and race for the money ! :)

Tbxgz 07-06-2012 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TRD_86 (Post 298444)
http://www.zeroto60times.com/

I usually check out cars from this site. They do have fair real true test data collection, not like those conservative manufacture specs.

Frs at 5.9s
Brz at 6.1s

The insideline tested the Brz show at 7.3s :mad0259:! what the heck with this insideline driver or recorder ? I did couple times w/ my frs and I feel it damn fast for this car and it should be in the low 6s compare w/ my current IS350, but it not that slow like the insideline. Has anyone test it out yet w/ real proved source data? Please discuss and tip in !

http://www.insideline.com/subaru/brz...and-video.html


I think edmunds was launching the car at 3500 rpms while MT was getting mid 6 launches with a 5k clutch drop. Lesson? Avoid the 3-4k torque drought.

Edit* I think I saw one of subaruwrxfan's video where he took his car to ~60 in about 7 seconds with a slight roll out and no clutch drop.

SFTiofoso 07-06-2012 03:58 AM

Maybe the large discrepancy has to with some shifting to 3rd gear to get to 60 while others simply letting 2nd bounce of the rev limiter. :iono:

TRD_86 07-06-2012 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tbxgz (Post 298638)
I think edmunds was launching the car at 3500 rpms while MT was getting mid 6 launches with a 5k clutch drop. Lesson? Avoid the 3-4k torque drought.

Edit* I think I saw one of subaruwrxfan's video where he took his car to ~60 in about 7 seconds with a slight roll out and no clutch drop.


I found this clip. He launched w/ clutch drop at 6.2s which is what I feel fast enough for this car. It's a 6 seconds car period.

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adprokid 07-06-2012 07:49 AM

The numbers are good considering the OEM tires

blu_ 07-06-2012 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luis_GT (Post 298481)
I'm surprised by how many reviews place the FR-S/BRZ as a 7 sec 0-60 car... I know it lacks a bit of torque... but my 530 is capable of going from 0-60 in just a bit less than 7 seconds and it only has 25 more HP and 70 more tq... as well as 700 more pounds... The BRZ should, on paper, be faster than my car. :iono:

That torque helps a lot on a 0 to 60. My car feels slow to me until I am above 25 mph and then start rowing gears.

One thing to keep in mind when reading straight line stats for this car is to pay attention to what it does from 50 to 100. It's much more competitive. I lost a casual stoplight race with a mini copper s up to 50 or 60 in my car vs a friend. 0 to 30 I was a car length back and still almost reeled him in before I quit a bit below 60 mph. This was without launching the car.

#87 07-06-2012 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SFTiofoso (Post 298985)
Maybe the large discrepancy has to with some shifting to 3rd gear to get to 60 while others simply letting 2nd bounce of the rev limiter. :iono:

Well there is no "bouncing" it cuts at the limit so I don't think you can do that, can you?

blu_ 07-06-2012 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by adprokid (Post 299137)
The numbers are good considering the OEM tires

I think getting mid 6s out of a 2l na car isn't bad myself. 0 to 60 is always going to this cars worst stat.

Remember the car will still do 140mph

86boyAF1 07-06-2012 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by adprokid (Post 299137)
The numbers are good considering the OEM tires

This also a good point because during these clutch dump runs, the driver is forced to wait out the wheel spin. Better tires would equal less wheel spin, but increased stress on the clutch and transmission.

SkitterSkotter 07-06-2012 10:18 AM

As they mentioned the only real reason the BRZ is so 'slow' from 0-60 is because of the required upshift at 59mph from first to second. If the car could just be left in first than I'm sure it would be quite a bit quicker. That said, who really cares about that stat unless you are racing other slow cars on the street.

eifer 07-06-2012 10:36 AM

It's a 2l 4cyl car. I wouldn't really stress about the 0-60, especially when you have to up shift at 59 lol.

Turbowned 07-06-2012 11:12 AM

It does 0-59 in 6.5sec, who gives a $#!t about that last MPH.

Tbxgz 07-06-2012 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Turbowned (Post 299325)
It does 0-59 in 6.5sec, who gives a $#!t about that last MPH.

I also think this is just a myth. I've seen videos of the car at 60 rolling at 7400 rpms in 2nd. After my break-in, I will test this out. Regardless, this is just chatter at this point. The car feels like a 6 second car. It doesn't feel underpowered. nuff said.

DSPographer 07-06-2012 05:41 PM

59 MPH is max for 2nd
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tbxgz (Post 299337)
I also think this is just a myth. I've seen videos of the car at 60 rolling at 7400 rpms in 2nd. After my break-in, I will test this out. Regardless, this is just chatter at this point. The car feels like a 6 second car. It doesn't feel underpowered. nuff said.

What are you using for the accurate MPH read-out? The display could easily be adding 1 MPH to the precise reading to make the car seem faster.

The correct rotations per mile of the 215/45R17 Primacy tires is 844 according to Michelin. The differential has a 4.1 ratio and the gear ratios are: 3.626 2.188 1.541 1.213 1.0 and 0.767 so the accurate speeds at the 7450 RPM fuel cut-out are:

60*7450/4.1/844 ./[3.626 2.188 1.541 1.213 1 .767] which equals:

35.6 59.0 83.8 106.5 129.2 168.4

So you would need to shift to 3rd to reach 60 MPH. But, who really cares that the 0-60 time is slow because of the second shift?

SUB-FT86 07-06-2012 05:45 PM

I've seen plenty of videos showing it only takes two shifts to get to 60mph. I don't know what you guys are talking about.

DSPographer 07-06-2012 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86 (Post 300133)
I've seen plenty of videos showing it only takes two shifts to get to 60mph. I don't know what you guys are talking about.

Well after 2 shifts you would be in 3rd gear. You can reach over 83 MPH in 3rd gear.

SUB-FT86 07-06-2012 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DSPographer (Post 300210)
Well after 2 shifts you would be in 3rd gear. You can reach over 83 MPH in 3rd gear.

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