The Twins Ten Years From Now(a speculative thread)
 

So how do you guys think the Twins will hold up ten years from now,looks wise. There are cars that I thought were cool looking when they came out,but now time hasn't done them any favors.

Examples that come to mind is the Celica body style from '99 up. They look pretty crappy now when I see them.'99 to '05 Mustangs I use to really like,but think they don't look very appealing anymore.I use to like 3000GTs,but now they just look too bulky.These are a few that come to mind.

So how will we feel about the '13-'16 BRZ/FR-Ss in the future? Personally,I like the lines of the car,which are very reminiscent of the Supra,which is still a great looking car today.I think the twins will hold up pretty nicely over the years,but I guess time will tell.

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My first car is a 3000GT, she just sits in the driveway now. I'm think the twins will age well.
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To my eyes, the car looks more Maserati GranTurismo meets Toyota 2000GT than Supra (and that's a good thing).

The cab reward FMR proportions are classic. Most of the lines are clean, and there are very few gimmicks (body cladding, tons of faux vents tacked on (ala early 90's Pontiac). 10 years from now, stock examples of the car will still look very good with clear elements showing from its' time (ie. relatively high waistline for crash safety, rear F1 inspired fog light, and lots of faux CF bits). Sorry to say, but 10 years the paint on most of these cars will be absolute shit. Restoration will be needed in that area. Also, in 15 years good luck finding a completely stock example due to the wonderful aftermarket we enjoy.

In the end, clean 2012 - 2017 examples will enjoy a stronger following than the Celica, but be not quite the collectable that is a clean Supra. That places 86's somewhere in the realm of Toyota's other great attainable sports car, the MR-2.

Most of the cars considered to be "classic" have smooth bodylines and stayed true to artistic design concepts. These cars should age well for the most part stylistically, unfortunately a lot of them will be beaten on and not taken care of. I'm going to guess rust will be an issue for many people (driving a lot, imperfect repairs after accidents etc) and the rocket bunny phase that is already getting played out will be like the xenon bodykits of the 90s.


Hard to tell, but stylistically it will probably hold up (IMO).

For the 2013-2016 models, I actually think the lower level "Premium" trim on the BRZ (and its equivalent in the FRS) will hold up very well. The only issue with the higher level trims is that the spoiler is kind of a fiddly bit that just doesn't look very clean on the car. One of the reasons I got the lower level Premium trim level.

The only thing that I think is an issue I have with stock car are the rear tail lights. The weird silver/chrome reflecty bits are a bit distracting.

Here is my stock BRZ with clean lines. I think it will age very well indeed. If you have a bone-stock twin 25 years from now I think you will probably have something desirable as the younger kids who had one are bitten with the nostalgia bug. As usual, modded cars will not be as desirable.

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My old T67 Single turbo 3000gt was to this day my favorite car. These definitely are sexy cars. I think there only downfall is how tacked on some of the body panels look.

I also don't think the frs and supra look alike.

Classic lines and styling will always attract the eye. So, I believe they will still have a strong following over the next 10+ years. Also, I'll hold on to the stock parts that I've replaced even though I don't plan on getting rid of the car. And hopefully one day once again it won't have to be my DD.


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My main complaint with the front end of the 2017 86 model is that in my opinion, it won't hold up well compared to the current look. I think it will look very dated in a few years, while the current model's cleaner lines will be classic by comparison.

I'm sure that's partly because of my visceral negative reaction to the change.

One concern is, this car has so many corners cut on build quality and construction, I'm really not sure how good looking any of these will be in ten years.

But, I sure like it right now.

I wish it had lasted 10 years. Mine is 4 years old and already looks worse than MomHawk's '05 red Mustang.

Beyond that, I think the design will last. Whether or not it will be a "hot collector's car" is fully up to the whims of the market.

One reason to stay away from red- it's perhaps the least long term lasting finish compared to many others, unless carefully maintained.

OMG, 280Z.... talk about a car that holds up.

PPFFFTtt, there is no reason to stay away from red. Ever. Especially on a sporty car.

This is actually one reason I got the Limited. I feel like the spoiler adds some much-needed definition and delineation to the rear of the car. Otherwise the body line just kind of rolls down and stops at the bumper. A tasteful duckbill spoiler would do the same, but I like the angles of the wing.

Well, they sure do sell their fair share of red. I had a choice of red (Ablaze) and Steel, chose steel, and am very happy with my choice every time I see a red one.

Mind you I might have gone for pearl white if it had been available.

Ten years from now they will be $5k cars. I don't see them holding their value or being worth much more than a Civic SI or GTI from the same era.

Like almost every car made, they will eventually fall out of favor among the general public and appear 'dated', and then after another period of time when they have mostly disappeared from whatever the current popular list of available 'sports cars' is, they will experience a resurgence of popularity and perhaps even become collectable amongst those who appreciate them for what they are. I remember when BMW 2002s, Datsun Z cars, and old Alfas were considered 2nd and 3rd tier alternatives to sports cars of the 80's. That seems to have reversed itself pretty well at this point...

I fear that 10 years from now, we will all be driven in autonomous cars, the cost & liability of driving your own car will be too high for the average person, and manual-driven cars will be limited to private roads / tracks. These are the salad days, my friends. It only gets worse from here. My advice: get in yer 86, peel out like you stole it, roll the windows down and enjoy the freedoms.

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That may take longer. But in 10-15 years any remaining twins may have to be converted to electric as buying gas may be almost impossible.

Yeah... 4 years in and I'm already in queue for a respray on my firestorm. I am regretting not buying silver. My previous Scion was silver and always looked clean, and even with little maintenance and constant exposure to the elements, the paint held up unexpectedly well for the 8 years of ownership.

If you haven't considered paint restoration, give it a shot at your local good detailer. Could save a bundle.

Do you garage yours?

Yeah, red needs to be cared for more than a lot of other colors. I try to protect my paint as much as possible. It still looks great and it's almost 3 years old.

I think the shape of this car is classic, but the low engine output drives away a lot of potential owners. I think it will have the same kind of demand that RSXs or Preludes have.

As a couple posters have mentioned, in my eyes the twins have similar lines and a profile to the 2000GT which is one of the best looking coupes ever. I always thought the twins were very good looking, especially for a cheaper vehicle. To be fair, sports cars age well comparatively to other types of vehicles...I'm sure the twins will hold up for a while :)

All this talk about red needing specialized attention.... where did this come from? Seems like it needs as much or as little attention as most colors. I've never owned a Subaru / Toyota in red but three different manufacturers I have.


The only color I've ever owned that was a pain was black. I'll never do another black car. Ever.

I think red has the issue of fading more than other colors if always outside in the sun.

However i think that is for all colors.

I know many owners with Blue WRX/sti subaru and there paint is faded compared to mine which was always garage kept.

Hmmm, I (personally) never noticed any fading on my red vehicles, but I always tried to keep them garaged or covered as much as possible. All cars fade if left out in the elements.

Yeah agreed. I think the ones that look faded have spent all there life outside and never were waxed.

It's the nature of red pigments, they are on the weak end of the color spectrum. If you take something that's printed with lots of red ink and leave it in the sun, it will fade away much quicker than any other color. Honda's red car paint is notorious for fading quickly. Even the burgundy cars will turn brownish after a while.

If you want a car color that won't fade over time, get blue, silver or white. The clearcoat will fail before the color does.

Nerd speak: "Dyes and pigments work by absorbing certain wavelengths of light and reflecting or transmitting the rest. When a dye molecule absorbs a photon, an electron is excited to a higher energy state. Most of the time (neglecting fluorescence), the molecule de-excites by giving off heat and returns to the ground state intact. However, because the excited state is a high energy state, it has the potential to undergo a chemical reaction, breaking a covalent bond or otherwise irreversibly reacting with another molecule. This changes the electronic structure of the molecule which changes its absorption properties: e.g. many dyes that absorb visible light have large systems of conjugated double bonds and if these are broken, the absorbance can shift to much shorter wavelengths. How likely this kind of destructive chemistry is depends on the nature of the dye. Organic dyes tend to be more susceptible to photobleaching than things like quantum dots and inorganic pigments."

Admittedly, I have not put much attention into maintaining the exterior of the car because it sits 100% of the time outdoors under no protection. But, I recently was able to secure a garage, so I had motivation to finally pay attention to the car. I visited Bob at Auto Concierge, arguably one of, if not the, best paint correction specialists in NorCal, and he was blown away at how damaged, inconsistent, and thin the paint was. He said the correction would be so expensive, I was better off investing in a respray. It made no difference to me since I have some ideas for custom body work I wanted done anyway.

That was true with '85 MR2, it was basically pink after 5 years on the Florida sun. That's not as true any longer in my experience.

The color isn't the issue, it's the road rash and pitting. The aforementioned Mustang is red and looks nearly as good as it did when we bought it. The 86 looks good from 20 ft, but if you get up close you can see every place there was a piece of sand that hit it. They both have spent about equal times on the road and the Mustang has spent twice as long in the weather.

They are cared for in about the same manner.

I've noticed this on other colors of the car as well, if it has any level of miles on it.

2013-2016 still looks great, i like the line of the car, but i am not a fan of 2017...
I will drive this car until it dies, unless they make a STI version.

Hell, the way things are going it may be illegal for a human to drive a car 10 years from now except on private property. I wouldn't imagine there would be much value to any older vehicle at that point except in a museum. Excuse me now while I go fix some Soylent Green.

The car will hold up pretty well probably. Some colors will fade more than others but that's about what you would expect to see happen.

In terms of visual design I think the car will hold up well too. The next generation of honda kids will love this car lol. Some things that will not hold up so well will be the no push button start and the interior buttons and stuff stock are already quite dated as is (excluding the limited series cars obviously)

Then there is the fact that MT is on its way out, in 10 years I doubt they will even be making MT cars sadly. The AT being a 6 speed will really hurt it too as most AT's in the future will be like 8+ speeds and this cars transmissions will seem ancient.

The car won't be as iconic as the AE86 or anything but in terms of looks I can't see it ever being seen as not a sexy looking car, even 10 years from now.

Screw automated cars I will never trust them give me my analog driving freedom.:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Expect that Tesla incident so are we gonna trust our lives on autopilot.

10 yrs from now I'll be driving a bicycle if gas goes up 500%

It would be lucky if my BRZ would last 10 years as it's my only car, but it is garage kept and rarely winter driven.

Modern cars like these are realistically only designed to last 160,000km / 7 years of normal usage.

I'll just enjoy it as much as I can while it's still in its prime. :burnrubber:

I think one of the more recent sports cars that aged well is the S2000.

I do not think Frs will be something like s2000 in the future.
But rather 240sx or older Porsche.

I remember people use to complain about how new cars are getting boring, heavy and not raw. And we still hear that today.

10years from now, I will bet that people will still say the samething.
And Frs will be that older "raw" car you can track or drift cheap.
With all the aftermarket being so huge, it will be the new civic. (Feels like new older civic already).

one thing I hated about older mr2 or civics I owned was the cracked dashboard, ac, and interior just fucking up over the time.
I think Frs interior will hold up better, and looks nice too.

10year from now you will hear some kid talking about their riced out Frs and you will look back to today.

More like modern American made cars.My aunt is still driving her '96 Camry with about 300k mile on it.