Scion fr-s soon to be a rare sought after car?
 

Does anyone else think the scion frs will become more popular with age. Like supras, skylines, original 86's ect? The new north american gt 86 is hideous. The brz will stay but frs isnt available anymore. I already see some hotwheel versions of the frs are considered rare collectors. I have a feeling as the years go on this car will be worth more. What does everyone else think?

Not really. It's just a badge change. If Scion had stayed a thing, the USDM 2017 Toyota GT86 would be called a Scion FR-S.

Its not just a badge change though. The new styling is disgusting. The big open front mouth is hideous. Nobody will buy them

Not a hope. If they stopped making them tomorrow they would still never reach the collectibility of many cars. Unless it is a major part of a street racing movie, anime or video game that is since then everybody would lust for one.

The North American 86 looks exactly the same as the rest of the world's and the FRS was just a meaningless badge in only two countries.

I don't think the new bumper is ugly, but i'll give you that it's design is discutable, and is not better than the old one.
But apart from the bumper, the 2017 seems to be better in every way. Very small improvements, but still.
I don't see why the first version would increase in value if the updated version is still being made. Especially since most people didn't like the scion brand and would have prefered the car to be toyota from the begining. I personnaly liked the scion logo, but well...
If anything, it will lose value, sorry.

They are going to have a frs in the new Fast and Furious movie.

The 2013-2016 will be more sought after than the 2017+ 86 in my opinion due styling.
BRZ will stay the same. However they will kept making less and less as time goes on as sales have been falling.

Clean 86/brz ones will also be rare in the future due to all the questionable mods people put on these cars.

These cars will end up just like the RX-8s and Miatas.
Fun cheap cars to play with. Perfect for engine swaps 5-10 years down the road.

Don't be deceived by what you see here or local to you. There are probably 1000 untouched stock or very lightly modded vehicles for every heavy or questionable one. Even if every single person on this forum was had questionable mods that is still under 2% of the cars sold. We sometimes forget that we are the vocal minority of a car that is bought also by Joe Public that think it looks nice. The new style could be more popular with Joe and you can grab an old one for a song.

Like this guy?

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Gotta wait 30 years when most of them have been rotted away.

I actually admire this one more.

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The FR-S is featured in several video games.
http://www.igcd.net/vehicles.php?mak...R-S&width=1024

The first gen 86's (I think they will all be lumped into that bracket- pre-2017 FT86, GT86, FRS and BRZ) was also very highly reviewed by a lot of people/mags/sites. Time will tell if the styling makes the first gen cars collectible.

Very much this. There are so many people out there who buy this car not really knowing what it is and are just getting it for the looks and the idea of owning a true sports car. For every modded BRZ/FR-S I see on the road I see at least 5 pure ones. It's really easy to come to forums like this or car meets and get the idea that everyone who owns a twin mods it, but the general public will always outweigh the minority.

....no.

Cars typically do not see an increase in value that exceeds inflation until they're about 50 years old, and then only when they have had more money sunk into them to bring them back to showroom quality than they're worth.

The exception is rare performance models, which we don't have. Look at the difference in prices between a Sunbeam Tiger and a Sunbeam Alpine, a TR4a vs. a TR250, a stock Cutlass vs. a 442, a 401-powered Cherokee Chief vs. a Wagoneer. In 40 years a Dodge Magnum SRT might be worth quite a bit of money, and the Hellcats most certainly will.

If they made a factory run of 1000 V8 powered FR-Ss as a special edition, that would be the one to hold as an investment, as long as you planned to keep it 40 or 50 years to see your return and also planned to spend a fortune to either keep it in new condition or restore it when the time comes. The special editions we've had so far are just cosmetic and won't make that much difference.

All so true. Add to that the fact that the collectable car market can be very fickle and dependent upon the nostalgia of older guys with disposable income and it gets even more unstable.
In the mid 90s the guys that wanted 60s Mustangs when they were young went on a buying spree. They were in such demand that even battered hulks were going for big bucks. To rake in this profits they were restored by the thousands. Only about 5 years later the guys that really wanted them had them and there were now so many on the market that the prices nose dived dramatically. Sure there are still some that are up there but like you said they are the low production specially editions and usually all original and hardly ever driven.
Restored or high mileage collectable cars will never hit high values no matter how well done unless they are something truely rare and special. The FRS no matter how popular will never ever be that rare or special.

Hard to become a collectible when it was made to be affordable.

Lol

BMW 1M comes to mind. Had a V6 from the M3 and a turbo, cost around 45,000 at launch, then shot up to 80,000 in 5 years. The price has come down a lot recently though, and I guess that can be attributed to the new M2 being released.

As rare as a 240sx.... but 5x's more produced.


p.s. as rare as a Miata haha

Many collectables were made to be affordable. Look at 55 Belaires or just about any 60s muscle cars. It isn't original price that makes them collectable it is how many still exist and if they mean something to sombody (the more somebodys the better) that set price and collectibility.
Sure many super cars are collectable the day they roll off the line but that is because there are so few made in the first place. You don't need to wait for most of the others to rust away for it to go up in value.

late 60s/ early 70s muscle and late 90s import rwds are the most sought after cars for restoration and performance. They were cheap relative to the periods market! A mint condition pure skyline with low miles is worth more than it was new. Not like a that or a supra was 90,000$ from factory. Pretty sure a split window stingray was a couple grand in their time. The dang brz messes up the whole idea haha. If it was only a toyota product i think the scion would be a novelty down the road. Alls i know is in 20 years if i see an frs with 50,000 km untouched in mint shape ill probably want to drive it really bad. I just think scion ending and the car getting a facelift may make the used frs worth more than a used brz in 5-10 years. I dont think they will ever get to the level of 6 figure restorations but i could see the scion, as i said, being sort of a novelty in years to come.

My point exactly. The frs will
Be a novelty. You cant buy a 2017 scion frs. Even thought they outnumber the brz. Soon the brz will outnumber the frs.

Not necessarily. Some of the affordable sports cars from the 1960s are now seeing an increase in price because they are more than 50 years old and don't have as many survivors among the fleet. They're still not exceeding their original value adjusted for inflation, but someone who managed to pick up a '60s MGB for $500 at the bottom of its value in the late '70s and has kept it from rusting may not be in a bad spot now. The Volkswagen is the poster child for affordability, but there are some specific models of VWs that bring pretty big bucks if you can find them.

We don't have any models that are weird enough and scarce enough to achieve that, though. Maybe if you wait until around 2022 and pick one up cheap, then hold it until 2070, you'd get a positive return on the investment.

The Scion badge will mean nothing. Nobody will pay more for that badge. People will probably still rebadge to Toyota in twenty years. A badge does not make a car collectable the meaning and prestige behind the badge does. If you saw one in twenty years and it was badged Toyota would you turn down the chance to drive it?
Surparas and Split windows may seem like a low price new now but you can't take their cost then and say "look how cheap they were". That $2k Vette sold when a bottle of Cke was five cents, a house cost $15k and people earned $3 an hour. They were expensive as hell.

But what you're saying essentially is that the "novelty" aspect of the FR-S will come solely from the fact that it has a Scion badge, even though Scion is (or was) simply a North American sub-brand of Toyota. Not to mention that the overall quality of the FR-S pales in comparison to the GT86.

@Packofcrows made a good point in bringing up the 240's. They have a Datsun badge but are basically junk beaters that you can get for a couple grand. You can't judge the novelty of a car off it's brand alone. Scion wasn't a special enough company to be considered worth anything.

The quality of the FRS is exactly the same as the GT86. The options and extras are just different. They didn't set the assembly line up to make the FRS different.

1M had a I-6 not a V configuration. Good example though.

Right you are. I also mixed up that it was a general 3-series engine. The M3 at that time had an NA V8.

I know with frs its just a badge and a front bumper. Theres no real uniqueness. Nothing to gain novelty from other than it being a north american car. Just saw the hot wheel and made me wonder! Haha. I know the general population looks at scion as aneven shittier kia. Most dont even know its toyota branding. I was at first, still am little embarassed of the scion logo. Toyota/subaru would bode much better with me.

How much does a AE86- Levin or Trueno, go for now? How much were they back in the day? It's logical that that the first gen GT86 will follow the same path. You have to remember that this has not been a very good selling car- sales numbers have been terrible. It may not be a limited production as such, but because they aren't selling, the run is pretty damn limited. The Release Series cars will be the most sought after.

In 30 years there won't be a lot of these left around and there will be articles online and in print media (will there be print media in 2046? Maybe on the Holonet?) about why this car was such a fuss "back in the day". Of course, you'll need a special license and closed track to "drive" a car in 30 years once autonomous cars take over and driven cars are illegal. That alone may drive up the price of the 86.

Yeah exactly.
The thing people seem to forget, yes this car won't become rare or sought after in regards to those high profile collectors like the NSX did.

But finding a nice clean one will be very very hard in 10+ years.

It's like trying to find a Civic SI that is 10 years+ which hasn't be slammed or modded in some way.

The 86/BRZ in the future will either be abused, modded like crazy or super high kms. Finding a clean one with low KM and not modded will be very hard rare or not.

Agreed! And i personally believe they are the best platform to mod off, the twins that is. Not a civic si hahah. Fwd is ridiculous

Even if that's true, does it mean anything for any of us here? You're basically saying that if we want to get a decent return on our car then we need to A. not drive it much at all, B. keep it stock or at least keep all the stock parts somewhere for over 10 years, and C. NEVER drive it harder than the occasional joy ride every now and then.

I would rather enjoy the hell out of my BRZ and sell it for cheap then barely touch it and wait for a decade.

This is jot a poor selling car. If it was there would be fields full of them and they would be dirt cheap. No they are not made in huge number but they never were meant to be. They are selling what they make and they are making what they planned.
I know my points are falling on deaf ears since to many this car is the bestest ever made but the "fuss" you refer to centres around a few thousand fanboys and the rest of the world population does not know nor care about the car. There will be a market but it will be limited and there will never be enough demand to drive the price up.

While I agree with what you're saying, you did mention earlier how the early mustangs saw a big rise in value because a niche market suddenly wanted it. Most cars who exhibit a quick rise in price almost always have a niche market going after them. You are right in pointing out how people who own a twin make too much of a deal over it. At the end of the day we're all just driving a cheap, moderately sporty car, and just because we may love it doesn't mean others should or will.

I'm not talking about return of investment or money. I'm just saying that a clean one will be rare in the future.