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Dark 06-22-2016 05:05 PM

Jalopnik: California Police Impounded 17 Exotic And Sports Cars And No One Will Say W
 
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A minor accident with a bicyclist. A police officer who allegedly lost his memory. Seventeen cars, mostly sports cars including exotics like a couple of Lamborghinis and a Nissan GT-R, impounded for more than 100 days with no explanation given to their owners. It’s a deeply baffling story unfolding in the small town of Orange, California, and so far no one has answers.


In total, City of Orange police seized 17 cars earlier this year for reasons that have yet to be disclosed to owners—even though the cars have been impounded for well over 100 days.

As of now, no official report has been filed regarding the initial incident or the subsequent impounds. Though the cars are impounded, they have been seen driven (allegedly quite spiritedly) on at least one occasion by a car owner, under what Orange police officials say was “testing.” Both police and a local tow yard confirmed the impounds, but the Orange County District Attorney declined to comment on the case.

Perhaps there’s a very valid reason these cars were seized; Uzzi Chowdhry does not think so. Chowdhry is one of the 17 people with an impounded car, and described the series of events that started the day after Christmas last year, with a group of friends going on a drive.

Originally, this story was broken on the website of automotive software company CarNinja, where Chowdhry works as a client strategist, but Jalopnik started digging into it a little more afterward.

The Drive and the Accident

Chowdhry said he and 16 of his friends, mostly college students, gathered for a drive on December 26 on South Jamboree Boulevard in the City of Orange. Pretty much every car in the group was a performance car of some kind; Chowdhry was in his BMW M3, one of a number of BMWs in the group. There were also Mustangs, a pair of Lamborghinis, at least one Nissan GT-R, and so on. Cars that you’d want to drive whenever you could find a reason to.

Chowdhry described the scene: while driving, the lead car, a Mustang, had a minor incident with a cyclist. The cyclist swerved to avoid a tumbleweed and hit the Mustang at low speed. No injuries were reported, and damage was minor for both bike and the car.

According to Chowdhry, the cyclist was found to be at fault and cited at the scene for the minor accident. No other drivers in the group were cited for any infractions of any kind. (The cyclist declined to comment for this story when reached by phone.)

Chowdhry and his friends say they were not speeding or engaging in any illegal or reckless behavior during the drive.

One driver in the convoy—whom we’ll identify as Robert because his lawyer asked him not to use his real name until legal proceedings take place, and because he feared the repercussions the incident would have on his business—corroborated Chowdhry’s version of events.

He also said none of the drivers attempted to flee the scene. After the incident with the cyclist was over, Robert said they continued driving.

That seemed to be the end of it. Until police started impounding the cars.

The Seizures

Here’s where things start to get weird: according to Chowdhry, in January the drivers of the cars in the convoy received calls from the City of Orange Police Department asking about the bike crash.

Officers told them, Chowdhry said, that the accident report was never actually filed by the officer at the scene, and that officer had recently suffered an accident that caused him to lose his memory—including his memory of the incident with the cyclist and the Mustang on December 26th. On the calls, police were asking the drivers a number of questions relating to the December 26 incident.

Chowdhry told me he found this suspicious since three officers were present, and it’s unlikely they caught amnesia from the cop who had the accident, since, you know, that’s not how amnesia works.

(I contacted Craig Brown, the detective at the City of Orange Police Department in charge of the case and asked him about the officer’s memory loss, but was told he “wouldn’t go into the officer losing his memory.”)

Chowdhry said he spoke with some of the other drivers who received calls that police would show up at their homes or schools if they did not come to the City of Orange police station to answer questions. When those drivers did show up, their cars were impounded.

“They’re trying label us as an organized street racing gang, and say the race caused the bike accident,” Robert said. “It’s completely crazy.”
But on February 11, 2016, nine cars were impounded by City of Orange police. , This is how those impounds happened, according to CarNinja:

Police had shown up to the residences of the individuals. The scene was the same at every house: squad cars out front, police banging on the door, seizing cell phones and laptops, photographing the cars in question with their doors, hood, and trunk open, providing a show for the whole block as neighbors left for work or school.

Those who weren’t home had officers show up at their workplace where they were escorted out in front of coworkers, colleagues, and bosses with hands tied behind their back.
Robert said police showed up at his house on April 6 at 6 A.M. with a seizure warrant for his car. Five officers blocked off his cul-de-sac and took his car, he said.

“I thought it was a joke at first,” he said. “I told them, ‘You mean the minor accident with the bike a few months ago?’, and they said yes.”

According to Chowdhry, the drivers who showed up at the police station told him they were interrogated, and were asked questions about who was driving on December 26. Questions like: “What does the term ‘squad’ mean to you,” “what’s cruising?” “what’s spirited driving?” and “Do you know the speed limit on the street?”

The remaining cars of the group of 17 were impounded, with police using a new probable cause search warrant, signed off by the same judge that issued the original search warrant for the first batch of nine cars.

When Chowdhry’s BMW E92 M3 was taken, he told me:

“When they took my car, this smart-ass cop told me ‘Well, we’re taking this, but you have a Ferrari, so go drive that.’ Which shows they know about my social media profiles, and they know I have a widebody 458 Italia.”
But why impound the cars?

“They’re trying label us as an organized street racing gang, and say the race caused the bike accident,” Robert said. “It’s completely crazy.”

Robert even said he had just met one member of the group a week prior, and was on his first-ever cruise with them. “How is that organized?” he said, adding that he didn’t even see the bike wreck—it happened after he arrived.

Chowdhry claims that the driver of the car involved in the initial incident with the cyclist has a copy of the Accident Information Exchange document that was written at the scene.

It should be made clear that this is not the actual accident report, which is still forthcoming. But while Chowdhry and his attorney asked us not to publish the Accident Information Exchange form, I have seen it and can confirm that it exists.

Chowdhry also showed me sections of the initial search warrant that appear to confirm that the cyclist was believed to be at fault for the collision, citing California Vehicle Code 21658(a): Unsafe Lane Change, based on statements from witnesses.

Additionally, Chowdhry said that police seized a GoPro camera at the time of the event, along with a list of contact names and phone numbers of the other drivers.

Again, no citations for speeding were filed at the time of the incident, and Chowdhry claims that there was no racing taking place during the drive. But the City of Orange Police Department maintains that every car was impounded within the bounds of the law.

What Were They Doing On The Street?

All this was already something of a mess, but for these owners, it got worse.

On April 23, Chowdhry got a message via Snapchat that his car and other cars from the group were seen being driven, spiritedly, up and down the street near the impound lot where they were housed, at a business named Archie’s Towing.

Chowdhry went down to the tow yard and found the street in front of the lot closed by police, and many of the cars being driven up and down the street. He described the cars to me as being “raced,” driven hard and aggressively.


Chowdhry’s pictures of the cars by Archie’s Tow Yard
He took photos and video of the cars being driven, but in the process was detained (not arrested) by police officers for two hours. Chowdhry said his phone was taken, though he was able to upload some of the photos prior to the phone being confiscated.

Chowdhry said he was told that “taking pictures of police activity on public roads” is illegal, which is absolutely not illegal at all. The phone has still not been returned, though I suppose that seems like nothing compared to a BMW M3.

I spoke with Detective Brown of the City of Orange police department about all these events. Brown said all that the cars were all impounded legally, with a court order from a judge.


As far as why the cars were impounded, when none of the drivers were cited for any infractions at the initial incident, Brown told me he knew the reason why, but could not reveal it.

When I asked Brown about the alleged racing of the impounded cars by the police, he told me that was “untrue.” Brown elaborated that, yes, the cars were driven, but only “for the purposes of inspection” and that they had a supervisor there to inspect the cars.

Brown said the exotic nature of the cars was not a factor here. He told me: “That doesn’t mean anything to me. I drive a Kia.” I asked if driving such cars spiritedly might be appealing to any of the other officers or tow yard employees, and he said, “Nobody will give up their career for a joyride in a Lambo.”
Brown elaborated on the nature of the inspections, saying that there were three criteria that the cars were being inspected for: an investigator trained in accident reconstruction was conducting steering, braking, and acceleration tests.

This, of course, raises a lot of questions. If 16 out of the 17 cars impounded were not involved in any accident, why were they being tested? Also, testing for steering, braking, and acceleration sure as hell could look like having a great time hooning around in a car. I’ve done lots of dumb things in cars that I could justify by saying I was “testing” the steering, braking, and acceleration.

Brown wouldn’t comment on the purpose of the inspections or what police hoped to learn, but he did say that the exotic nature of the cars was not a factor here. He told me: “That doesn’t mean anything to me. I drive a Kia.”

I asked if driving such cars spiritedly might be appealing to any of the other officers or tow yard employees, and he said, “Nobody will give up their career for a joyride in a Lambo.”

Brown wouldn’t say when he thought the cars would be returned to their owners, or even if they’d be returned. Of the owners, he’d only say that he “doesn’t want to call them suspects,” but beyond that would venture no opinion, saying these decisions were all in the hands of the District Attorney now.

After a number of attempts to reach the Orange County District Attorney’s office, we did get a response, but that response was just to say there would be no official response, and that they can not comment on the case until any charges might be filed. They declined to speculate as to when that would be.

It’s possible prosecutors will have a very compelling reason why these cars were impounded, and why it was important for the police to deprive 17 people of their property. It is possible the cars were seized as part of an investigation that could lead to criminal charges against the drivers, and the cars were tested on the streets by police doing accident reenactments as part of that.

But even that seems like an extreme use of resources by police over a minor traffic wreck that did not even result in any serious injuries, and for which the cars were initially not faulted.

Until these owners hear what the District Attorney has to say, they simply do not know why. Robert said attorneys for the owners forced a hearing before a judge to learn more, and that hearing is set for Friday.

For now there are still 17 cars sitting in an impound lot, and there’s still 17 angry, confused drivers hoping this ends well. Robert is one of them, bumming rides off friends and meeting business clients in rental cars while his car wait.

“I want to make sure this is known,” Robert said. “If (the police) can do this to us, they must think they can get away with it.
http://jalopnik.com/california-polic...s-a-1782164005


Oh look, "someone" abuses his power again.

Venom1506 06-22-2016 05:16 PM

Its insane that this whole thing has gone on this long AND is still going on.

Dark 06-22-2016 05:23 PM

Well they are pretty much a bunch of bullies trying to take away something that they can't afford from people.

gramicci101 06-22-2016 05:35 PM

It seems like you wouldn't want to piss off the people with the money. They can afford better attorneys than the police get.

Lynxis 06-22-2016 05:40 PM

This sounds to me like a case of some inspector thinking this was part of a big street race and was thinking he could make a name for himself by nailing a bunch of street racers to the wall and started applying for warrants. When it became apparent that he couldn't nail them for any such thing, they now need time to come up with some excuse.

iamjacob 06-22-2016 05:45 PM

Wow, just wow. I'm hoping there will be some news from the hearing that is happening on Friday.

darthpnoy1984 06-24-2016 02:45 PM

I think there's something more beyond that cycling incident that we expect. I have couple of friends here in OC area and told me some of these cars have possibility that stolen parts may have been used.


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themadscientist 06-24-2016 07:33 PM

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the lead car, a Mustang, had a minor incident with a cyclist.
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tyrantcf 06-26-2016 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984 (Post 2688361)
I think there's something more beyond that cycling incident that we expect. I have couple of friends here in OC area and told me some of these cars have possibility that stolen parts may have been used.


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The whole thing reads like some tin-foil-hat lunacy. Id bet there's a whole lot more to it than what has been "reported," jalopnik is not a very respectable source these days either.

tyrantcf 06-26-2016 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark (Post 2687401)
Well they are pretty much a bunch of bullies trying to take away something that they can't afford from people.

Really? Were you there? Do you know these people personally and would take their word as 100% truthful? I'm not saying the cops are in the right but, when something sounds crazy and too ridiculous to be true, it probably is. There is just so much of this that makes no sense.

Dark 06-26-2016 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tyrantcf (Post 2689415)
Really? Were you there? Do you know these people personally and would take their word as 100% truthful? I'm not saying the cops are in the right but, when something sounds crazy and too ridiculous to be true, it probably is. There is just so much of this that makes no sense.

Yes really. Those owners have not been proven guilty, and the chance of them getting their cars back is almost zero even after they are proven innocent. Police and Fed do this all the time because it's a good business. Look up more about civil forfeiture and equitable sharing law. This sounds crazy, but it's a law. So should I say good luck fighting OCPD and the Fed?

NWFRS 06-26-2016 02:46 PM

Were the cars black?

Impureclient 06-26-2016 02:52 PM

Anybody denying the police could ever do any wrong do a search for civil asset forfeiture AKA policing for profit.

tyrantcf 06-26-2016 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark (Post 2689587)
Yes really. Those owners have not been proven guilty, and the chance of them getting their cars back is almost zero even after they are proven innocent. Police and Fed do this all the time because it's a good business. Look up more about civil forfeiture and equitable sharing law. This sounds crazy, but it's a law. So should I say good luck fighting OCPD and the Fed?

When you're walking around, do people often ask about your tin foil hat?

Impureclient 06-26-2016 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NWFRS (Post 2689605)
Were the cars black?

This goes beyond the race of the cars, they are indiscriminately going about this destroying the cars 5th, 6th, and 14th amendment rights.
All cars...brown cars, white cars, black cars and shockingly green cars are all at risk. The burden of proof of the cars innocence lies with the innocent car. It's a F'd.

Impureclient 06-26-2016 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tyrantcf (Post 2689609)
When you're walking around, do people often ask about your tin foil hat?

It's not conspiracy. Do yourself a favor like he said and look it up.

Here's a start: https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal...rfeiture-abuse

and http://ij.org/report/policing-for-profit/

and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_..._United_States

This is not a fake moon landing or jet fuel melting steel subject. This is 100% fact and everybody, including you, should be pissed it happens.

XanRules 06-26-2016 03:14 PM

Yeah, Civil Asset Forfeiture and the abuse of it is like, well-documented and well-known.

tyrantcf 06-26-2016 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Impureclient (Post 2689614)
It's not conspiracy. Do yourself a favor like he said and look it up.

Here's a start: https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal...rfeiture-abuse

and http://ij.org/report/policing-for-profit/

and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_..._United_States

This is not a fake moon landing or jet fuel melting steel subject. This is 100% fact and everybody, including you, should be pissed it happens.

I'm well aware of the notion. It's unlikely, especially in Orange, CA by the local PD. 2 or 3 cars? Ok. 17 cars from affluent owners? Not buying it.

justatroll 06-26-2016 05:40 PM

Here is my prediction:


"Additionally, Chowdhry said that police seized a GoPro camera at the time of the event, along with a list of contact names and phone numbers of the other drivers."


They found video on that GoPro of something that they did not like.

cdrazic93 06-26-2016 06:52 PM

damn it. not enough time, ill read it when i clock out of work. someone like this comment to remind me.

Mr.ac 06-26-2016 07:16 PM

I'm calling bs on this story.

chaoskaze 06-26-2016 07:17 PM

Jalopnik: California Police Impounded 17 Exotic And Sports Cars And No One Will Say W
 
Mostly college student? I rest my case, I already know how they drive. Especially with America's daf driver's ed. Cops can't just impound 17 cars for this long if there isn't something fishy anyway especially when it's on the news.


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juliog 06-26-2016 08:00 PM

The reports are true. Neighbor recently got his car back.

DSKIRROW 06-26-2016 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Impureclient (Post 2689606)
Anybody denying the police could ever do any wrong do a search for civil asset forfeiture AKA policing for profit.

I don't know what the police are like in the U.S. but in Canada policing for profit is pretty much impossible. There is a chain of evidence and an individual officer wouldn't be able to take anything large very easily, especially not car parts. It would take a rather large conspiracy. Also there are cameras on the cruisers with audio. I assume you must have that tech in U.S. as well? Probably the dash can would be a good place to start. Many of our officers have uniform cameras that record interactions as well. Also a good place to look.

DSKIRROW 06-26-2016 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by justatroll (Post 2689684)
Here is my prediction:


"Additionally, Chowdhry said that police seized a GoPro camera at the time of the event, along with a list of contact names and phone numbers of the other drivers."


They found video on that GoPro of something that they did not like.

Sounds a lot more likely

DAEMANO 06-26-2016 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DSKIRROW (Post 2689751)
I don't know what the police are like in the U.S. but in Canada policing for profit is pretty much impossible. There is a chain of evidence and an individual officer wouldn't be able to take anything large very easily, especially not car parts. It would take a rather large conspiracy. Also there are cameras on the cruisers with audio. I assume you must have that tech in U.S. as well? Probably the dash can would be a good place to start. Many of our officers have uniform cameras that record interactions as well. Also a good place to look.

In the U.S. Individual cops aren't stealing cars, property, etc. Police agencies themselves misuse asset seizure laws large scale and sell the property at auction as a way to fund their police departments. It's ugly, real, well documented and not some kind of conspiracy or overreaction like some in this thread allude to.

DSKIRROW 06-26-2016 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DAEMANO (Post 2689794)
In the U.S. Individual cops aren't stealing cars, property, etc. Police agencies themselves misuse asset seizure laws large scale and sell the property at auction as a way to fund their police departments. It's ugly, real, well documented and not some kind of conspiracy or overreaction like some in this thread allude to.

Crazy. They're federally or municipally funded here.

Dark 06-26-2016 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tyrantcf (Post 2689609)
When you're walking around, do people often ask about your tin foil hat?

Strawman argument? Good.

Dark 06-26-2016 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DSKIRROW (Post 2689806)
Crazy. They're federally or municipally funded here.

They are, here too. It doesn't stop them abusing the law. Civil forfeiture is dated back decades ago. Guess they are used to it, especially, California.

Irace86 06-27-2016 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Impureclient (Post 2689606)
Anybody denying the police could ever do any wrong do a search for civil asset forfeiture AKA policing for profit.

This is also why police are against legalization of marajuana because they get to keep drug money during busts.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...olumn/3182955/

Dark 06-27-2016 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Irace86 (Post 2689960)
This is also why police are against legalization of marajuana because they get to keep drug money during busts.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...olumn/3182955/

Yes. I want to extend to this as well. On top of drug money, they also get drug, car, sometimes house and everything else owned by the busted party.

mdm 06-27-2016 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DSKIRROW (Post 2689806)
Crazy. They're federally or municipally funded here.



There was a pretty detailed multi-part story about that in Washington Post two years ago
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/inv...top-and-seize/

FX86 06-27-2016 12:14 PM

california police is trying to become the dubai of the united states by the looks of it
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turtlefeeder 07-11-2016 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by chaoskaze (Post 2689735)
Mostly college student? I rest my case, I already know how they drive. Especially with America's daf driver's ed. Cops can't just impound 17 cars for this long if there isn't something fishy anyway especially when it's on the news.


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Lol college students driving Lamborghini..? Imagine that... not suspicious at all

And folks stash all you Lamborghini ferrari collection in lenos garage, it's safe there 😉

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Lonewolf 07-20-2016 11:06 AM

So anything new about all this?

FX86 07-20-2016 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Lonewolf (Post 2708956)
So anything new about all this?

Lieutenant D.O. Nut is now hosting a car meet with all the impounded vehicles

Dark 07-20-2016 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by turtlefeeder (Post 2701730)
Lol college students driving Lamborghini..? Imagine that... not suspicious at all

And folks stash all you Lamborghini ferrari collection in lenos garage, it's safe there 😉

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I can see some of them are Asian elites' kids who got sent over to the US.
When I was in college, a Chinese freshman drove a brand spanking new Red 458 Italia to school. I also talked to a AM DBS owner, he said he was from Shanghai. Yes, they drive like maniac.

turtlefeeder 07-20-2016 12:16 PM

Damn,.. to bad I'm not THAT kind of Asian lol

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Dark 07-20-2016 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by turtlefeeder (Post 2709032)
Damn,.. to bad I'm not THAT kind of Asian lol

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Neither am I.

But who cares? This is what I have, and I'm happy with it.

turtlefeeder 07-20-2016 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark (Post 2709047)
Neither am I.

But who cares? This is what I have, and I'm happy with it.

Yeah pretty happy where I am, not about to be jelly of rich peeps, poll have their own issues too 😁

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