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Simply_the_best 06-21-2016 02:49 PM

My Nameless header dyno results (results to follow)
 
Hi FT86Club I'm going next week to get dyno tuned and will be posting up my dyno numbers for anyone that is curious to know what magic this header is capable of. I have all other supporting N/A mods minus the BPB:thumbdown:. I'm planning on well over 200 whp which will be easily attained as I did speak to John from Nameless over this passed weekend at Englishtown after the FD event. I will update with results next week. Here are some shots of my setup.

My Engine mods are:
Engine:
ECUTek stage 2 flex fuel tune by Motoeast
Motoeast flex fuel kit w/ zeitronix ethanol content analyzer
Buddy Club P1 racing pulley set
Perrin cold air intake (gold wrapped)
Perrin 3" inlet pipe
68mm throttle body
Crawford Performance AOS
Nameless Performance long tube header (ceramic coated)
Motiv Concepts 2.5" overpipe
Motiv Concepts 2.5" catless front pipe
MXP catback exhaust
Forester turbo oil cooler setup
Eneos 0w-20 sustina engine oil
**Update**(6/28/16)
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...6a0cf7a6ec.jpg

This is the dyno results 198whp & 162wtq. The Dyno reads on the low side so for a fact I know im over 200 whp. A previous car was tuned on the same dyno as me put down 195whp and went to another shop and that same car made 207whp with no tune change. As well as when I was tuned it was 91 degrees ambient temps. I'm thinking somewhere around 210whp with cooler temps. The car pulls harder than before. BIG thanks to Mike @ Motoeast.

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NyC Zn6 06-21-2016 03:18 PM

OFT or Ecutek?

CSG Mike 06-21-2016 03:26 PM

Thats a nice wrap job!

Simply_the_best 06-21-2016 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NyC Zn6 (Post 2686351)
OFT or Ecutek?

EcuTek. I plan on breaking over 200 whp.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 2686361)
Thats a nice wrap job!

Thanks!! I have been wrapping headers and turbo manifolds for quite some time now. I have some experience. I have wrapped some crazier headers than these too! :thanks:

G-awesome 06-21-2016 04:21 PM

interesting...never knew the nameless header was a long tube design!

weederr33 06-21-2016 05:01 PM

I love the nameless headers. Too bad they are hardly visible because they are a beautiful design.

Infinity 06-21-2016 05:52 PM

Can't wait to see the results for this.

JDM Haze 06-21-2016 05:54 PM

Subbed!

Simply_the_best 06-22-2016 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 2686447)
I love the nameless headers. Too bad they are hardly visible because they are a beautiful design.

They're actually quite visible for the most part. They come up to about the center of the crank pulley. Especially if you have a Perrin CAI like mine. It opens up the front of the bay alot.

shu5892001 06-22-2016 11:02 AM

well over 200whp, I am assuming this will be on E85 then?

nisti 06-22-2016 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shu5892001 (Post 2687065)
well over 200whp, I am assuming this will be on E85 then?

From his journal:
Quote:

ECUTek stage 2 flex fuel tune by Motoeast
Motoeast flex fuel kit w/ zeitronix ethanol content analyzer
Another member on here has a similar setup in terms of supporting mods.
He is getting 205 hp at the wheels.

weederr33 06-22-2016 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply_the_best (Post 2687032)
They're actually quite visible for the most part. They come up to about the center of the crank pulley. Especially if you have a Perrin CAI like mine. It opens up the front of the bay alot.

I can't really see mine since I have the air box resonator and then the long supercharger intake pipe. :(

Simply_the_best 06-22-2016 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 2687194)
I can't really see mine since I have the air box resonator and then the long supercharger intake pipe. :(

You are running the Nameless long tube header? Also Which charger are you running? Vortech? I am planning on going supercharged but know that only certain ones will work with this header. John from Nameless said that he was speaking with someone that had a vortech with this header but had to rotate the housing a little.

Simply_the_best 06-22-2016 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Norville Rogers (Post 2687203)
That gold wrap I take it it's heat resistant as well as reflective.

Does it have a particular name so I can search for some or any recomendations?

Yes it is very very heat resistant. There are tests that prove this stuff works flawlessly. Hope this helps.
https://www.designengineering.com/ca...r/reflect-gold

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjFzTJOuDQE"]Tested - DEI Reflect A Gold Heat Thermal Racing Engine Tape - YouTube[/ame]

weederr33 06-22-2016 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply_the_best (Post 2687204)
You are running the Nameless long tube header? Also Which charger are you running? Vortech? I am planning on going supercharged but know that only certain ones will work with this header. John from Nameless said that he was speaking with someone that had a vortech with this header but had to rotate the housing a little.

Yep, I'm running their long tube header. I have the Cosworth supercharger kit.

Simply_the_best 06-22-2016 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 2687228)
Yep, I'm running their long tube header. I have the Cosworth supercharger kit.

:thanks: That's good to know! Thanks!

Reamer 06-22-2016 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply_the_best (Post 2687206)
Yes it is very very heat resistant. There are tests that prove this stuff works flawlessly. Hope this helps.

DAMN!

I'm hoping to have a build similar to yours not too far from now except I'm running the ACE Type-B 350 header and I'm curious of the performance differences between Nameless and ACE since they take different approaches to the same end goal (long tube EL headers).

EDIT: I posted this before actually looking at your build thread. I have maybe 1/20th the mods you do. Haha. Most are where it counts, just ain't as pretty as yours...yet.

Simply_the_best 06-28-2016 09:13 AM

**UPDATED up top**

Summerwolf 06-28-2016 09:17 AM

What are the total mods? I know you stated all the NA "supporting mods" but then you don't even hit 200 HP. :(

Infinity 06-28-2016 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply_the_best (Post 2686321)

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...6a0cf7a6ec.jpg

This is the dyno results 198whp & 162wtq. The Dyno reads on the low side so for a fact I know im over 200 whp. Im thinking somewhere around 210whp. The car pulls harder than before.

Is that on E85?

Simply_the_best 06-28-2016 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 2691176)
What are the total mods? I know you stated all the NA "supporting mods" but then you don't even hit 200 HP. :(

*Updated thread with mods in the top. As I stated above this dyno reads on the low side. A previous car was tuned on the same dyno as me put down 195whp and went to another shop and that same car made 207whp with no tune change. As well as when I was tuned it was 91 degrees ambient temps.

Simply_the_best 06-28-2016 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infinity (Post 2691229)
Is that on E85?

Yes read previous post.

Summerwolf 06-28-2016 10:37 AM

Dyno's vary, but you are proven to be 198 on E85.

nisti 06-28-2016 11:01 AM

Can you feel that tiny torque dip now?

Simply_the_best 06-28-2016 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nisti (Post 2691263)
Can you feel that tiny torque dip now?

No, it's roughly @ 2.5k-3k. Virtually unnoticeable.

NyC Zn6 06-28-2016 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 2691176)
What are the total mods? I know you stated all the NA "supporting mods" but then you don't even hit 200 HP. :(

these cars are horrible at making power n/a ...smh:(

churchx 06-28-2016 12:58 PM

Given strict emission standards these days imho these engines make loads of power even completely stock. Yes, honda's 4 bangers or rotaries of mazda would be able to get more .. but not revolutionary more. Imho NA FA20 is undeservedly overshadowed by turbo engines of subaru but in reality is damn fine engine on it's own even with it's quirks like torque dip and seemingly lack of power. We simply maybe are too spoiled with loads of torque of more and more common turbo engines these days.

Simply_the_best 06-28-2016 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by churchx (Post 2691394)
Given strict emission standards these days imho these engines make loads of power even completely stock. Yes, honda's 4 bangers or rotaries of mazda would be able to get more .. but not revolutionary more. Imho NA FA20 is undeservedly overshadowed by turbo engines of subaru but in reality is damn fine engine on it's own even with it's quirks like torque dip and seemingly lack of power. We simply maybe are too spoiled with loads of torque of more and more common turbo engines these days.

Correct and what most people don't understand that is RWD cars have more drivetrain power loss vs. FWD. Thats why it seems as if Honda K20's (which are 86mm x 86mm as well as twins) make more power over the twins.

Simply_the_best 06-28-2016 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NyC Zn6 (Post 2691360)
these cars are horrible at making power n/a ...smh:(

I wouldn't consider 40+ whp terrible with a few bolt ons on a 4 cylinder. I can guarantee a close to 210whp with colder temps.

NyC Zn6 06-28-2016 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply_the_best (Post 2691532)
Correct and what most people don't understand that is RWD cars have more drivetrain power loss vs. FWD. Thats why it seems as if Honda K20's (which are 86mm x 86mm as well as twins) make more power over the twins.

i get that but so much work has to be done to break 200whp especially with E85..nonetheless im pretty sure your car is a beast :burnrubber:

Simply_the_best 06-28-2016 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NyC Zn6 (Post 2691551)
i get that but so much work has to be done to break 200whp especially with E85..nonetheless im pretty sure your car is a beast :burnrubber:

Ohhh yes. It doesn't sound like alot of power but man this thing feels super healthy when she's ripping. I've put a few cars away already and i was completely shocked by the results. 2 boosted cars and a K20 swapped 2000 Civic Si. Driver mod may help but still I was shocked. I'm going to try and post up one of the little clips I have.

Simply_the_best 06-28-2016 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NyC Zn6 (Post 2691551)
i get that but so much work has to be done to break 200whp especially with E85..nonetheless im pretty sure your car is a beast :burnrubber:

Here yah go. This was a MK4 Jetta GLI with all bolt ons and a tune.

https://vimeo.com/172624890

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Reamer 06-28-2016 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply_the_best (Post 2691557)
Ohhh yes. It doesn't sound like alot of power but man this thing feels super healthy when she's ripping. I've put a few cars away already and i was completely shocked by the results. 2 boosted cars and a K20 swapped 2000 Civic Si. Driver mod may help but still I was shocked. I'm going to try and post up one of the little clips I have.

Agreed. I was surprised when I beat a Genesis 2.0T, granted, it was the first gen but still.

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JazzleSAURUS 06-28-2016 03:27 PM

I'm surprised you're putting so much stock in guaranteed X rating of horsepower. You gained X hp over stock, that's what dynos are a useful tool of. Comparing power bands, and what percentage of a gain you've achieved over stock/the last reading, or running cars back to back.

Simply_the_best 06-28-2016 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JazzleSAURUS (Post 2691607)
I'm surprised you're putting so much stock in guaranteed X rating of horsepower. You gained X hp over stock, that's what dynos are a useful tool of. Comparing power bands, and what percentage of a gain you've achieved over stock/the last reading, or running cars back to back.

I knew I would be very close if not above the 40whp range due to having similar mods as others and maybe a little more. I have had numerous cars tuned on dynos :thanks:

Infinity 06-28-2016 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply_the_best (Post 2691537)
I wouldn't consider 40+ whp terrible with a few bolt ons on a 4 cylinder. I can guarantee a close to 210whp with colder temps.

I know you said the ambient temperature is extremely high right now. Still, I would of thought you would hit 200hp with your mods on regular gas, let alone on E85. Any idea what E85 is worth (hp wise) on an N/A 86?

raven1231 06-28-2016 03:53 PM

Not knocking on OP but literally every person who posts a dyno is the history of ever claims that theirs is low reading.

Simply_the_best 06-28-2016 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infinity (Post 2691637)
I know you said it the ambient temperature is extremely high right now. Still, I would of thought you would hit 200hp with your mods on regular gas, let alone on E85. Any idea what E85 is worth (hp wise) on an N/A 86?

I spoke with John from Nameless in person and he said they had a car with that header and e85 making 205whp. No mention of which other mods the car had. As well as they don't want to release they're cam timing for this header which would help others see similar numbers they did.

raven1231 06-28-2016 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply_the_best (Post 2691653)
I spoke with John from Nameless in person and he said they had a car with that header and e85 making 205whp. No mention of which other mods the car had. As well as they don't want to release they're cam timing for this header which would help others see similar numbers they did.

Yeah, and maybe help sell them better.

Simply_the_best 06-28-2016 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raven1231 (Post 2691665)
Yeah, and maybe help sell them better.

Yeah Mike showed me a few other twins with different headers and similar mods on that same dyno yesterday after I was tuned with graph comparison and I will say this Nameless header makes by far the best torque over all the others and the hp output was one of the highest he has dyno tuned. I saw a Tomei header dyno that looked absolutely terrible. Car made like 15-20 less hp than I did.


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