Is Scion's send off bad for FRS drivers?
 

I want to get an FRS but since Scion is no longer a thing, will this inhibit my ability to service the vehicle at any particular dealer? Can I take it to a Toyota service center (same question for BRZ)?

I'm new here - don't whip out the pitchforks please

They've always been sold at Toyota dealers, and for MY17 they're being explicitly sold as Toyotas, so no, there shouldn't be any issues.

Nothing has changed with BRZ.

Thanks for the quick reply. Weighing the pros and cons of BRZ vs FR-S.. here in New England those heated seats would be nice but just too much out of my budget.

BRZ Limited is nice. If I had to do it again, I'd have found a way to get a BRZ Limited or a 10-series / Monogram FR-S. The value vs the price difference is very, very good. After you own the car and look at the cost/feasibility of adding the features you don't get with a base model - you realize the value. :bonk:

BRZ=FRS+gadgets+mustache

It shouldn't I take my scion to a Toyota dealer

Scion is Toyota. You'll be fine, don't worry about it.

Putting aside the love hate of the mustache...

Does the BRZ having the mustache give it an air of sophistication?

Not sure about that, in my opinion (apologies in advance to anyone offended) a mustache is the opposite of sophistication, but I believe the opposite is true: the mustache gives the BRZ a less sophisticated air-o-dynamics, the coefficient of drag is marginally higher.

Trim levels hold value better than options. They also hold value better than adding the things you wanted yourself.

When I made my decision I considered the BRZ a higher trim level than the FRS, not a subaru vs toyota thing.

Also consider if you add on the things you want it may not be covered by insurance. For heated seats it won't matter but one of the reasons I wanted the BRZ was for the headlights. I just had a comprehensive claim and the insurance had to pay $800 for a replacement headlight (one headlight).

Try to consider all angles when you make your purchase. Be realistic with what you plan to do to the car. In this example if you plan on retrofitting your FRS headlights with projectors anyway, might as well just get a BRZ to start.

The FRS has projectors already. And if it came from the dealer with options installed then they are covered by insurance because that's how it was when you bought it. I think thus only applies to new cars. Save your receipt from the dealer in case they try to say you added it later

I meant HID

BRZ Limited trim also comes with little amenities like door courtesy lights, vanity mirror lights, dual zone climate control, heated seats, alarm, rear trunk release button, HIDs, fog lights, etc. FRS limited editions at most will just give you HIDs, dual zone climate control, maybe heated seats but not the rest.

Body kit and rims are obviously much easier to retrofit than amenities. I didn't want another purposely decontent car like my old North American spec VW.

When I bought my BRZ, the top trim came out a bit cheaper than an optioned out FRS which still came with less equipment than the BRZ.

On the mustache issue:

The front ends of most cars are typically designed to resemble faces. The way the front bumper of the BRZ is formed, the so-called "mustache" is inside the "mouth" opening in the front of the car, where you would expect teeth.

I don't think I've ever seen a mustache inside someone's mouth.

Therefore, calling it a mustache is possibly the most stupid comment you can make about this car.

Hey, it's fine if you don't like the bumper. But at least quit repeating an insult that doesn't make any sense like a flock of brain-damaged parrots.

mustache :D

BRZ Bucktooth?

It's a mustache completely covering the upper lip. It's not"inside the mouth" sorry you were born half retarded and have to insult people on the internet to feel better about yourself

You should get a BRZ Limited because Subaru is better.









@Ultramaroon...

HEY!
I am the most sofitecateded sonofabitch u will evr meets.

Agree with the bold. Not the rest.


Don't think cars are "designed to have faces" anyway. It is just a result of having two headlights that look like eyes that make the rest of the front seem like a face. Not a deliberate design feature. (except maybe the Miatas with their moronic grins).


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Had to reply to the "flock of brain damaged parrots" comment

1) I beg to differ.
2) You were sayin'?


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BRZ looks like this though:

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Dont be jelly. About 8/10 males i know cannot grow a beard/mustache. Is ok haha:iono::iono::iono::iono:



OP: Get the cheapest car you can with least miles and full of extras from dealer. Get the high end BRZ imo and later you can swap stuff to Toyota if you so wish. Resale is about 10-20% higher here for BRZ.

I genuinely believe that is the sentiment for many people. The funny thing is if you look the car over from top to bottom, the interior styling, the body work, etc...

It is clearly TOYOTA! From a visual/styling/design perspective Toyota was obviously the dominant influence. There are zero past Subaru models with any similar styling although there are many Toyota Easter eggs to be found on these cars regardless of the badge.

The mechanicals, identical in both cars, are clearly mostly Subaru (except for the fuel injection).

So people that think Subaru is better than Toyota are looking at and appreciating almost 100% Toyota design details when they admire their BRZ's.

The mustache and the smaller details that are different in the 2 twins represent a very small part of the overall design package.

All the greats!

I wanted to post 'biblical' figures lol but dont want to get in trouble.


Mustache squad ftw haha


Is that you fishing Tcoat? Look like a grumpy grandpa.

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BRZ and FRS limited editions are about 2-3k more than base. I went for base FRS and kinda regret my purchase. Only option I wanted was start button and not having to pull out my key every single time. All other options can be added for cheap.
For example, I added HID for only $20, rearview camera for $30, etc.
Subaru/Moostash is better car? I thought its same car. My FRS has Subaru marking all over the car.

anyone looking for a brz or a frs needs to go on cars.com. You can get some great deals if you are willing to travel to dealers who have had them on lots for months on end.

Don't worry about the "Subaru better"thing. They are just uppity elitists. The top tier BRZ just has more options/accessories. The push start button can be added for about 400$ if you can install yourself

only if you add a monocle and tophat

You sir are wrong, mustaches were seen as a form of expression and standing for a lot of "bourgeois" (we are talking well kept/groomed mustaches).


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Look it up, most important/well known/respected figures (men of course) had beards or mustaches back then.


Pictures are of J. Rockefeller and N. Tesla respectively.

You've obviously never had an unkempt mustache that you grew very long... because you will have mustache in your mouth at that point :S

none of those are sophisticated aside from possibly Einstein. Being well known or popular or even smart does not make you sophisticated (Eastwood is a gritty rough guys the opposite of sophistication, Downey is a crazy person and I love him but that's not sophistication, Einstein was batshit and did not fit too well in what many consider sophistication except if you start considering his work then that work was indeed sophisticated).


My examples were much better :P being Rockefeller and Tesla (which oddly enough are both sophisticated but also very different almost opposites).

go home you peasant :)

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Wrong. The line of the "mouth" clearly goes around and above the bumper. People who say the BRZ has a mustache must believe that hair grows from teeth. Perhaps that's from a history of poor dental hygiene in their backwoods communities.

Yes, actually I have had a long mustache. It didn't grow from my teeth.

The bumper actually resembles a boxer's mouth guard, which I suspect was the intent (as a play on "boxer" engines) until a bunch of hillbillies who thought hair grew from teeth started calling it a mustache.

I think it's best you chill out dude. The name calling is unnecessary

It's a mustache.

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I disagree. I think it's entirely appropriate to refer to people who think hair grows from teeth as hillbillies and morons, and I grin every time I do it. And when I grin, I do not have a mustache growing from my teeth.

I think so too but I know @gramicci101 was just funnin'.

Errybody, get the one that you want. Be happy!

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