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BDKane01 05-20-2016 11:35 AM

Pedal dance not working. *issue resolved*
 
'16 BRZ limited. Car was warmed up, on a flat empty parking lot, and I followed the procedure. You can see one of my attempts below.

I'd like to be able to do this for a novice autoX event coming up.

[ame]http://youtu.be/zKofpVGY58E[/ame]

FRSBRZGT86FAN 05-20-2016 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDKane01 (Post 2657723)
'16 BRZ limited. Car was warmed up, on a flat empty parking lot, and I followed the procedure. You can see one of my attempts below.

I'd like to be able to do this for a novice autoX event coming up.

http://youtu.be/zKofpVGY58E


Interesting, something is preventing the diagnostic mode from kicking on. You don't have any radiator or coolant mods do you?

zc06_kisstherain 05-20-2016 11:44 AM

hmm..I dont know but if you buy OFT and you can do this by one touch lol

BDKane01 05-20-2016 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN (Post 2657725)
Interesting, something is preventing the diagnostic mod from kicking on. You don't have any radiator or coolant mods do you?

It's a brand new unmolested limited.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain (Post 2657729)
hmm..I dont know but if you buy OFT and you can do this by one touch lol

I'd rather not. I haven't even made my first payment yet.

FirstWinter 05-20-2016 12:09 PM

Try it with the handbrake already engaged then go from there? That's what I usually do. If it doesn't work I usually just spazz out with both of them :bellyroll: and through trial and error it usually works.

murdoc 05-20-2016 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2499444)
1. Start engine with hand and foot brake engaged
2. 2x foot brake & hold
3. 2x hand brake & hold
4. 2x foot brake

Works for me. Hand brake up on engine start.

zc06_kisstherain 05-20-2016 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDKane01 (Post 2657733)
It's a brand new unmolested limited.



I'd rather not. I haven't even made my first payment yet.

Ok

BDKane01 05-20-2016 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FirstWinter (Post 2657749)
Try it with the handbrake already engaged then go from there? That's what I usually do. If it doesn't work I usually just spazz out with both of them :bellyroll: and through trial and error it usually works.

Quote:

Originally Posted by murdoc (Post 2657755)
Works for me. Hand brake up on engine start.

1. Start engine with hand and foot brake engaged
2. 2x foot brake & hold
3. 2x hand brake & hold
4. 2x foot brake

Ok. So start with them engaged. Then what? Release both of them and start the process?

This is getting confusing.

BDKane01 05-20-2016 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain (Post 2657759)
Ok

I just plan to save up and get some wheels. I may get the tablet down the line. I would just like to see if I can do this without any additional software or etc

zc06_kisstherain 05-20-2016 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDKane01 (Post 2657764)
I just plan to save up and get some wheels. I may get the tablet down the line. I would just like to see if I can do this without any additional software or etc

No problem at all everyone has their own preference

FirstWinter 05-20-2016 12:47 PM

start with them engaged and just start the process. don't drop the handbrake at the start wait until the step where you have to

BDKane01 05-20-2016 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FirstWinter (Post 2657780)
start with them engaged and just start the process. don't drop the handbrake at the start wait until the step where you have to

This is not work either...hmm

FirstWinter 05-20-2016 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 640389)
I don't remember the original post (and a quick search didn't find it...), but someone had posted up a sequence to turn off additional electronics in the car. The sequence is as follows:

- Turn on the car. The car must be FULLY warmed up. You must do the entire sequence within 30 seconds of starting the car.
- Pull the e-brake 3 times. Hold/lock the e-brake on the 3rd pull.
- Press the brake pedal 3 times. Hold it down the third time.
- Pull the hand brake 3 more times. Hold/lock the hand brake on the 3rd pull
- Press the brake pedal 2 more times.
- On the last press of the brake pedal, two yellow lights should have come on.

I purposely used staggered brake compounds to test whether the brake dance does anything; here are my conclusions.

- The pedal dance eliminates electronic brake force distribution.
- The pedal dance also eliminates the "panic brake" function.
- I tried trail braking mid-turn with the "normal" electronic aids off, but without the pedal dance. This resulted in a spin; the car literally locked up the rear brakes. My speculation is that the car recognized the fronts locking up, and put additional force on the rear brakes. The problem here, is that I had purposely put a much lower friction pad in the back, so it kept sending more and more brake pressure to the back, until it just locked. Once it locked, it stayed locked, even though I was not stepping on the brakes.
- I tried this again a few more times. Same result.
- I then tried again, but with a rear brake bias. This time, pressing on the brakes mid-turn or trail braking always resulted in the car straightening out and/or plowing.
- With the pedal dance, I can trail brake or brake in the middle of a turn for rotation just fine, regardless of pad setup.

Moral of the story: if you're driving on a track or at an autocross, do the pedal dance! (Remember, ALL aids will be off)

All testing was done on a closed course, at the "Balcony", courtesy of Willow Springs Raceway.



*edit*

From another post:

Just follow CSG Mike's post. If you're still having problems I'll film myself doing it later today and upload it.

2superblus 05-20-2016 01:50 PM

Or fix it with this.

http://www.beastronix.com/

FRSBRZGT86FAN 05-20-2016 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2superblus (Post 2657822)
Or fix it with this.

http://www.beastronix.com/


In case you didn't read in the post, he said he doesn't want to buy something to fix it this soon.

BDKane01 05-20-2016 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FirstWinter (Post 2657816)
Just follow CSG Mike's post. If you're still having problems I'll film myself doing it later today and upload it.

This was the first thing I tried before posting. And the method I used in the posted video.

mav1178 05-20-2016 02:08 PM

My way:

Warm up car
Start car with ebrake on and foot on brake pedal.
Brake 3x (hold at end)
Ebrake 3x (hold at end)
Brake 3x (lights come on)

I can replicate this procedure on any FRS/BRZ without issue.

-alex

BDKane01 05-20-2016 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 2657845)
My way:

Warm up car
Start car with ebrake on and foot on brake pedal.
Brake 3x (hold at end)
Ebrake 3x (hold at end)
Brake 3x (lights come on)

I can replicate this procedure on any FRS/BRZ without issue.

-alex

-Alex, I already tried this method as well.

mav1178 05-20-2016 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDKane01 (Post 2657862)
-Alex, I already tried this method as well.

You're doing it wrong then... or something is telling the ECU that you're not warmed up. Or the parking brake signal is not getting to the ECU. Or all 3.

-alex

CSG Mike 05-20-2016 02:35 PM

@BDKane01 repeat the 3x + hold procedure going back and forth. Sometimes the car will not catch an input if it even slightly overlapped.

An "easy" way to do it is 3x brake + hold, 3x ebrake + hold, 3x brake + hold, 3x ebrake + hold, 3x brake + hold, 3x ebrake + hold, over and over until it works. Usually you don't need more than 1 repetition unless you're really messy, but it sounded like you were fully lifting on the brake pedal in the car.

Fun fact: this works on the LFA...

Ultramaroon 05-20-2016 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDKane01 (Post 2657862)
-Alex, I already tried this method as well.

Unless someone beats me to it, I'll post a clip after I get home tonight. It's a snap once you get the rhythm.

BDKane01 05-20-2016 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 2657870)
You're doing it wrong then... or something is telling the ECU that you're not warmed up. Or the parking brake signal is not getting to the ECU. Or all 3.

-alex

I would love for this to be user error. LOVE. If it was my dumbass fault. That is a easy fix.

I don't think that is the case. I can make more videos of me trying all the methods.

mixtape 05-20-2016 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain (Post 2657759)
Ok

Reply of the century :clap:

BDKane01 05-20-2016 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 2657896)
@BDKane01 repeat the 3x + hold procedure going back and forth. Sometimes the car will not catch an input if it even slightly overlapped.

An "easy" way to do it is 3x brake + hold, 3x ebrake + hold, 3x brake + hold, 3x ebrake + hold, 3x brake + hold, 3x ebrake + hold, over and over until it works. Usually you don't need more than 1 repetition unless you're really messy, but it sounded like you were fully lifting on the brake pedal in the car.

Fun fact: this works on the LFA...

Thanks for the info. I've been doing this. I'll keep trying.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2657899)
Unless someone beats me to it, I'll post a clip after I get home tonight. It's a snap once you get the rhythm.

That would be helpful. Though I don't think it's user error.

mav1178 05-20-2016 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDKane01 (Post 2657909)
I would love for this to be user error. LOVE. If it was my dumbass fault. That is a easy fix.

I don't think that is the case. I can make more videos of me trying all the methods.

How do you know that's not the case? Looking at your video, you stop after the second sequence of brake pedal push and only depress it twice. To stop there and assume something is wrong with the car is also assuming your technique is 100% perfect and not flawed.

The pedal dance doesn't care how many times you enter it, as long as you enter the correct sequence within 30 seconds of the car starting up. If I were you, I'd just keep doing 3x 3x 3x 3x 3x until 30 seconds has elapsed before saying it's the car's fault.

The key part is that the ECU needs to see the following conditions:

warm engine/normal idle
stationary car
first 30 seconds of engine startup

At least this following sequence:
3x brake pedal
3x hand brake
2x brake pedal

All needs to be done in a sequence and any deviation of any of the conditions will not activate diagnostics mode.

-alex

Toyarzee 05-20-2016 03:09 PM

After watching the video, I'm with mav and assume this can only be user error. It took me some time to figure it out for the first time as well, so don't worry. I learned easiest after I sat in the car and watched others do it. You don't need to be so deliberate and cautious about it. I see those who are used to this process literally spaz out and accomplish the task in just a few seconds. Don't pause in between the alternating of e-brake and pedal. Picture it like sheet music written in 4/3 time signature lol: 1-2-3-1-2-3... no rests and don't count how many you do. Just keep doing it till you see the lights.

BDKane01 05-20-2016 03:23 PM

On my 15 minute break at work after driving back from a hangar... I had the idea to unplug the negative terminal and replug.

The nannies went off and the lights went in one try after the reconnection. I have tried three times in a row and it works. So issue resolved.

BDKane01 05-20-2016 03:28 PM

Thanks for everyones input and help!

Toyarzee 05-20-2016 03:50 PM

Hooray! Good luck at the autocross!

FRSBRZGT86FAN 05-20-2016 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDKane01 (Post 2657949)
On my 15 minute break at work after driving back from a hangar... I had the idea to unplug the negative terminal and replug.

The nannies went off and the lights went in one try after the reconnection. I have tried three times in a row and it works. So issue resolved.


Damn I was gonna say reset the BCU by pulling the battery, looks like it worked.

Ultramaroon 05-20-2016 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN (Post 2658085)
Damn I was gonna say reset the BCU by pulling the battery, looks like it worked.

riiiiight

Ultramaroon 05-20-2016 10:17 PM

me too.


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