FRS/BRZ RALLY OR OFFROAD STYLE MEMBER COMPILATION
 

For those of us who really jones for the rugged rally look on our cars, let's compile photos from members whose cars in some way channel that aesthetic. Whether it be lifted, knobby tires, subtle or extreme modifications, let's see what people are doing out there.

To be clear--I'm really interested in finding real world examples of what people are doing to their cars--not just factory rally team photos etc.

I'm curious if there's anyone else here who gets off on stuff like this.

For examples as to what I'm talking about:

http://openpaddock.net/wp-content/up...ess_GT86_1.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nxxGAkRKPac/maxresdefault.jpg

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t5...39680092_n.jpg

Also, here are some more famous off brands that I find drool worthy:

http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/HERI...8180060501.jpg

http://www.carbuildindex.com/wp-cont...15/12/1-18.png

If you search around, lots of examples in the forum
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52966
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67283

Heck, even this guy is called "liftedbrz" https://www.instagram.com/liftedbrz/

I'm a huge fan of this aesthetic, specially the safari 911s and any of the Mongol rally, Peking-Paris, etc. purpose built "rally" car. I love the way they look completely utilitarian and purpose-built. I've tried to emulate this with my car, but not "full off-road" as you have up there, but a much more realistic interpretation, modifying it as I see fit to match my current needs.

Here's a pic of my "camping" config.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/pictu...ictureid=10292

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/pictu...ictureid=10291


I've also since bumped up the ride height and fitted taller tires to participate on some TSDs (gravel fire roads), but no pic of it.

There's also a handful of folks who have fitted similar tall tires for winter duty/ice racing, but I don't know who or where the pics are.

Current config is for DD, so back to a more sane (but still higher than stock) ride height and stock tires. I'm currently working on "camping spec 2.0" trying to fit a Yakima Loadwarrior and an LED light bar to help light up the camp site for this summer. Will post pics when I finish.

I love your set up! I'd seen your pics a while back and definitely had your car in mind with this thread. I'd love to see pics of your car dressed out in the rally gear sometime. How much higher is your car than stock in your DD set up? Any impressions on handling differences?

I'd seen LiftedBRZ too back in time but not recently. Man--his Widebody + Tall Tires look is gnarly. I very contemporary interpretation of the spirit of the cars I'm referring to.

Not my car but I saw this on the interwebs the other day... I am a fan


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Dirtfish Rally School near Snoqualmie, WA

http://www.dirtfish.com/wp-content/uploads/James-2.jpg

Throw Mine in here:
https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...8b&oe=57DDA59C

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...b5&oe=57DF6DD4

Hey! That's awesome. Love the fog lights in the mouth. And the center exhaust.

Are you using the same tires and suspension as LiftedBRZ?

Thanks!

I was. He recently changed lift kit companies. I will most likely follow him in the change. Plans for this winter are TRD Rally Suspension, 2" lift kit.

Mind sharing details about what you guys were using and why the change?

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We were both using Subtle Solution 1" Lift kits. Changing to Anderson Design & Fabrication. Subtle only offered a 1"lift, AD&F offered 2" (and will do custom sizing as well).

Gotcha. Thought you guys were running Flat Out Suspension perhaps because of the coupon code etc.

What are tire specs?

The Anderson kits look much better made too, I really like the inserts! Keep us posted here since you don't seem to have a build thread :D

Never heard of Flatout, pretty nice looking coilovers!

not quite rally rugged look, but the larger tires satisfies my need for that rugged look. I often take my car off road(nothing too crazy) in the summer to reach camp sites and cottages.

Tires are 225/50/17. It raises the car 1" and also closes the wheel gap as well!

http://i.imgur.com/lftTi1k.jpg

That is a little out of my price range for a winter only set-up. Though I would love too. :sigh:

215/65R16.

Now this is a "meaty tire" not like those jokes in the actual meaty tire thread...

Exactly the same size I used for TSD, a little bit of rub during full compression though, so just take it easy on bumps, etc.

How much will the TRD rally suspension be? Seems like the Flatout R5700s would fit the bill and have better local support. If I didn't already have my ohlins, I'd be all over these!

FRS/BRZ RALLY OR OFFROAD STYLE MEMBER COMPILATION
 

Did you get much sidewall flex at that size on street?

Wondering what the compromises are. Perhaps the 225 50 17 is better all arounder?

Is that on stock suspension? Looks great! Can you take a more true side shot to show gap? Looks like there is barely any left 👍

Any rubbing issues?

dropped using eibach pro kit and theres absolutely not rub. I'd like to get 10mm spacers to get the rear flush.

http://i.imgur.com/IfoHETl.jpg

They handled like sh*t on the road, specially in the tight/twisty roads on the way to the TSD event at anywhere above 45mph. There was just too much sidewall flex with the tires I had on, which gave the car a wallowy/bouncy feeling around corners (didn't help that I had stiffer springs also).

Once we were on the gravel, I was going slow enough avoiding ruts and slowing down for bumps/dips that I didn't notice and had a great time.

i agree with the 225 50 17 sidewall flexing too much during corners. What about Run Flat Tires? I wonder if that would would since the sidewalls are able to hold the entire cars weight while even deflated...

I was referring to the 215 65 16 sizes and thought your size was a better compromise. Are you saying yours flexes too much too?

its not terrible, but its noticeable coming from stock rims and tires

Not a twin, but since you posted the pic above...
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyeYm5xJEUo"]'Peking-to-Paris' Rally Prepped Datsun 240Z - (Street/Dirt) One Take - YouTube[/ame]

$870? for Shocks and Springs. Not sure what shipping is. Softer Spring Rates, different damper settings, and raises the car another 10mm

http://m3.miiduu.com/store3/3846/ima...1502/12168.jpg

So it's essentially replacing stock units with retuned ones and a lift? But no front top camber adjustment etc?

Even so seems like a very reasonable price for factory peace of mind.

Curious about your review when you get it

Do you happen to have a link? I've looked into it in the past, back when it was just released, but the one US source I found wasn't really responsive.

Here's my winter set-up, gives that rally look.

Are those sparco's?

You are correct .

By the looks of it looks like our summer setups is close too , vintage gold on your stockers? looks good

Haha, yes, that's my "commuter" set-up lol painting them gold was one of the first mods I've done. Those primacy hp's last for-freaking-ever! Really like the Sparcos, good, inexpensive, rally-looking wheels. I may get a set eventually to replace the stock WRX wheels I used for the next TSD (whenever that is eventually).

Took the car on a track day recently, so I'm on "tarmac rally" spec :D Enkei RCT-4's w/ RE11A's with the roof basket (not shown) to carry my spare tire, tools, etc.

So I noticed the first two pages have a lot of questions about LiftedBRZ's setup. I'm happy to answer any questions on his behalf.

I'm the guy who has done the majority of the mechanical work on the car with him, or redone old work that either he or I weren't happy with. (I'm looking at you....Borla welders....)

He's currently on Flatout Rally coilovers. We had a set of ADF lift spacers but ended up with the coilovers shortly after. The plan is to run all the ADF geometry correction with the Flatout coilovers. The flatouts are quite nice, and seem to be smooth, adjust accordingly. We've done a few adjustments and revisions. I think the next go-round we're going to look into external reservoir fronts and keep softening it. The front end of that car takes a pretty serious beating.

Awesome man! In general, one thing that would be helpful to the rest of us considering going his route would be:

what were some of the pitfalls or complications you run into lifting our cars and running 215/65/16 tall tires on them? I know fender liners, rubbing, alignments, etc become issues.

To put it another way: what are the real world pros and cons of doing this, and what are some compromises you should be willing to make for the benefits?

All the issues you have when going low, prepare to deal with them in reverse.

We ended up with some positive camber issues that were to be resolved with LCA's and camber bolts, but the Flatout coilovers handled them. Additionally, some of the good lift kits resolve this issue also. The ADF kit has camber and caster built in. My sisters Forester has a Subtle Solutions lift kit, and I really disliked it.

It doesn't have the geometry correction built in, when I removed it two of their supplied bolts snapped. I contacted them and they said 'they are factory spec'. The factory puts studs there, not bolts. So the bolts are under way more friction, thus the issue at hand. Same thing happened when we pulled the subtle kit from @LiftedBRZ's car.

We did not care for that kit.

Fender liners are looooong gone. They tore out quite a while ago.

Due to his high speed life we haven't resolved that issue yet, but I've made some cardboard templates to build an all in one eurathane fender liner, and small mud flap to direct stuff away from the car. Granted, this is specific to the rocket bunny kit so I imagine the community use case would be pretty minimal.

One of the biggest issues we're running into is getting a front strut that's soft enough for how hard he's pushing.

We may be making a few changes I'm not sure he's willing to disclose to the greater community yet that make is less dramatic in a few ways, but should be much more potent. :happyanim:

I'm so glad you brought this up because I was definitely eye balling the subtlesolutions kit but was worried about the alignment issues. Thank you for pointing to ADF as a solution.

http://andersondesign-fab.com/images...?crc=532624446

From their site it looks like they have a 2'' lift kit that has the camber/castor correction built in, as well as a special order option for ostensibly different heights and configurations too http://andersondesign-fab.com/2-spacers-copy-copy.html

It's a lot of work, but that's exactly why i feel there could be a market for it--more especially if it was made for stock, non wide body cars. The availability of enlarged fender liners on our cars would definitely be of interest to some I'm sure.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8nQq4o4svEI/maxresdefault.jpg

Another option that has since occurred to me for ultimate ease of use would be to go with a more traditional rally sized 15'' (making sure it clears our brakes) with a 205/65/15 or 195/65/15 configuration in conjunction with, say, the adf 2'' lift kit mentioned above. That would probably come closest to actually recreating the look of the nameless rally car from the front page of the thread without the need for different fender liners, etc. It also looks like that's close to the size Toyota's own CS-R3 rally car is running http://www.racingbytmg.com/en/motors...specification/

Thoughts?

I've asked liftedbrz and liftedfrs on IG--but from your perspective--how do these cars handle specced the way they are when they AREN'T on gravel? Like normal roads?

Yup, and they'll fabricate anything you want. IMHO I think it's best to build in your alignment specs to the lift, using camber bolts on a car that's going to be jostled this hard is going to be rough on it, and an eccentric LCA setup is liable to slip. We were going to try it, but I'm glad we didn't have to lol.


Yep, tell them what you want, and they'll make it!


Agreed, I even considered making a set for my car just because I don't like stock fender liners lol. I built a set for a friends WRX and they've held up really great. The stocks have been fine for me though so until I tear them out I'll leave them alone.



I think something like this isn't a bad idea. If I personally were to go down this road, I'd likely go WRX 4/2 pots to get the better clearance with 15" wheels, and run take off rally second tires. Super cheap, (think $100 for a set of 4 medium stiffness tires...) 4/2 pots will bias nicely, (running 4 pots on the liftedbrz.) I'd also start with a 1" lift spacer to see if that's really the road you want to go down, and how much more you actually want!

Decent. It's clearly still an amazing chassis, but the reality is you've added a lot of compliance in the tire/sidewall, you've added whatever your lift height is in leverage on the stock suspension components, if you're spacing wheels out for clearance and wideness you're changing scrub angles etc.

I think these cars are amazing on dirt roads though. There are some local windy dirt roads that are often 'closed' that you can have a blast on, and the liftedbrz is about the most fun thing I've ever taken down them...I've only really had more fun on my friends aprillia with studded tires. :burnrubber:

This was posted yesterday and it's about Leh Keen's Safari 911 in this thread doing the sorts of things we want to do.

Also cool that this was shot in my neck of the woods in Western NC!

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWNgs0mvoew"]https://youtu.be/LWNgs0mvoew[/ame]

Very interested in seeing some installed pics of the ADF kit. Their website doesn't really show much. I had Subtle solution spacers on my car for a couple of weeks when I did a TSD for fun and they worked fine, but definitely caused the geometry to be wacky. Needless to say, the drive to and from the event, around the free way and back roads, was more of an "adventure" than the actual TSD it self, which was mostly on gravel private and fire roads at lower speeds.

I'm very curious what the minimum clearance would need to be to clear stock fender liners.

I think liftedfrz was doing a 215/65/16 on a 2'' lift right?

Would a 195/65/16 on a 1'' or 2'' lift be small enough to keep the liners in place, which would be a good thing for those who'd like swap back and forth with minimum alterations.

1" Lift with 215/65/16 is enough to clear fender liners. Your only issues becomes the frame extension at the back of the fender well that pushes the fender liner out a tad too far. It will rub, but not really bad enough to really worry about it. I just ignored it while I had mine lifted.

Put my new snow tires on. These are 215/60r16 on 2002 or 2003 Subaru Forester wheels. Come at me, winter.