Trade in FRS to purchase Mustang EcoBoost or Camaro 2.0 Turbo
 

Just purchased an open flash tablet and DAMD leather seat covers and started to shop for headers etc.... I love my FRS/86 but I started to think maybe its time to purchase a different car?

Never owned an american car in my life so I thought it may be fun. Curious to hear some opinions. The new camaro has a really nice interior and really nice dash etc...

Not trying to start a debate on which type of car is better. Just entertaining the idea.

Seems like the Mustang and Camaro come with so many more options and feel a bit more solid.

Just keep it if you are considering a pony car with a four banger. I'd never purchase one without a V8

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80015
If you dont read it. I considere the camaro more all-around car imo, but mustang body is more appeal to me.

This made me rethink that belief: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80015

Is yours paid for? If not then beware the slippery slope of trading in too soon. If there is a reason you want /need to change then all is cool but changing out of boredom can get costly.
If I was trading for one or the other right now I would go Mustang (and I hate mustangs) since it has a slight edge on the Camaro in my opinion.
1969 called and want their ideas on engines back.

Lol no one cares and your anecdotal evidence of engine size correlating to... Other thing's sizes is getting old. Get with the times, dinosaur.

Either should be a good choice, but only have experience with the mustang. That is on my short list for when the time comes to move on from the frs.

The reason I'd go with the Camaro is the LT1 in the SS. Having sat in one at the auto show, that engine is about the only thing that could get me to put up with the poor visibility of the chassis/seating position. It is like looking out from the inside of a bunker.

But if you already know you're going with the 4 cyl turbo models, then I'd go with the Ecoboost Mustang instead. Better visibility, stronger engine and better looking car IMO. Drive both and see what you think.

If you are a teenage girl and have several kids to drive around, definitely get your mom to lease you a Camaro. The newest model was the star of the Gobots movie. The only drawback is that they are only made with yellow with black stripes. All of the Beckys at my school have one.

I came from a 2014 Mustang with the 5.0, Track Pack, and Recaro's. Build quality was atrocious. That car was fun as hell to drive, but hard to control, and it was in the shop more that any of my other cars combined. It also attracted every idiot in the city to try and race me, especially the losers in their Dodge Rams and F150s who wanted to show me up. It got old pretty quick. And once you realize those cars handle like a pig at normal city speeds, you'll wish you had your FRS back.

My advice, if you really want a turbo, start looking around for good local shops, buy yourself a turbo or supercharger and get them to install it and tune your engine. You'll save a ton of money in the long run and you'll have a sleeper car that you can embarrass people if you wish, or just drive quietly and stay under the radar.

Oh, I don't believe that one is "better" than the other.

I'd suggest you sit in both, then pick the one that "feels better" to you.

Then choose an engine that suits your driving needs/desires.

Then select a transmission of your choice.

Next, pick a pretty color.

Add some extras if desired.

See, how simple that was.........:D


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Wildfires in Alberta have already raised the price of crude oil. Americans are buying big trucks...big SUVs...stupid as the price of oil is not gonna stay low for too long.

New model change for Mustang in 2015 has again made a not so reliable car, as it took Ford years to perfect the last model...ten years for that model.

I own a 2005 Ford Mustang GT and a 2015 FRS. Wanna get rid of the Mustang, as it's like driving a ship or bus compared to the FRS. Love the around town gas mileage of the FRS compared to lousy mileage around town in the Mustang. Even the Mustang Shelby GTR surely can't handle corners like what we now own. Oh, sure, great on a track (more speed in the Mustang), but FRS/BRZ way better for cornering on the average drive where we spend most of our time.

The Camaro is still hard to see out of despite new model changes to the body.

Once owning a small sports car, no reason to ever go back to a bigger car. I'd suggest thinking about another small car IF you need a change from FRS/BRZ, unless you need to carry more humans than two in a car.

Mustang and Camaro will see you in the Dealership for warranty repairs, fights with service writers over those repairs. Made in Japan cars as FRS/BRZ require virtually no time in a place you don't want to be.

If you did not live in rain country I'd suggest a MX5 Miata. There are also other new and used choices for small fun cars...yet more money to spend on them. How much you wanna spend ?

Sometimes it's best to just have two cars, each totally different from the other. Even a junker, beater is worth the fun (change of pace) of having two cars. And with a beater, no need to have collision insurance. I may replace my Mustang with a beater, a sensible choice.

You are comparing apples and oranges. I have rented Mustangs and have an E36 M3. The non-V8 Mustang was totally without character and boring as hell after the first few miles. Even the M3 drives like a limousine compared to the FRS.

This post is all that you need to read.

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I drove one and it's pretty nice, It just feels weird since I also drove a new 2016 SS camaro and then a 5.0 Mustang right afterwards. It's like the Eco boost is nice but something isn't there... I think james May would say the Fizzing

Nah I agree with him on this one, not because the engine isn't competent(it is) but because you're buying a muscle car and a muscle car with a 4banger defeats the "muscle" aspect of it... plus have you heard the ecoboosts?? I've seen civics that sound less like lawnmowers.


That being said, if the engines were in anything other than a muscle car then my statement would be invalidated.

Let me rephrase that. I will never buy a Mustang without V8 5.2l Flat plane crank that can rev up to 8000rpm.

If I wanted to build the fastest Mustang that could go around corners I'd take an ecoboost in a heartbeat, MAP seems to think they can build 700+ whp out of it and the stock block blew when they were pushing past 500 wheel:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...=80015&page=11

Mustang GT curb weight: ~3720
Mustang Ecoboost curb weight: ~3532

200 lbs lighter and $3k cheaper? Not exactly the worst deal of the century there.

As for the OP, someone has to keep the dealership finance people in business I suppose.

Its also to note that it was *actually* the block that failed at 500, either. "Messing with external throttle body injectors that failed to shut off on the dyno, causing a hydro lock which in turn threw a rod".

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=142

Very promising lil mustang.

I would buy the Camaro 1SS. It is a totally different animal from the FR-S but it is a really good animal. The problem is that you should be able to buy one for around $35K but the dealers are still marking them up. The cheapest I have found is north of $38K and I refuse to pay a 10% mark-up. Maybe I will grab one used in a couple years.

You currently have a relatively rare car.

With the Camaro or the Mustang, you won't. As good as they may look, they're a dime a dozen on every block. Kinda sucks the exclusivity factor right out of the ownership equation/experience - any wannabe with a chunky wallet can strap one on.

In 1984 (and yes as a matter of fact, I am an old f**k - hence my username), I traded in my beloved '79 Z28 for an '85 Honda CRX after driving the Honda 'go kart' (curb weight around 1800 lbs) 1km, and never looked back.

The Mustang and Camaro will give you attractive, quasi muscle car sheet metal (modern Bullittish and Transoformerish iterations thereof at any rate), and whatever gob level of power you desire and/or can afford.

But the twins have been out for years now, and many people still don't know what the f**k they are.

Now that is some cool shit.

If you want a pony car but don't wanna go for the V8, I would scrap both those choices and get the new V6 camaro. It has the superior and lighter weight chassis @ 3,339 lbs compared to the 'stang (3532 lbs). A better stock engine that makes more power, and comparable torque to the turbos, with a great sound. Not to mention Chevy typically packs more features into the car. I wouldn't even look at the turbo models.

Pony cars and the twins are very different animals intended for very different things; do your homework and be sure to test drive them all thoroughly. Nothing worse than regret if you make the wrong choice for yourself. Good luck!

I actually disagree with this. I live in New York, i hang around the five boroughs, including upstate and Long Island. I have a few friends with current/last gen Mustangs and Camaros, they always get compliments, everywhere. Always. I never get a word about the FRS and its blue!

People love muscle cars, even when their a dime a doze. Just keep it shiny.

And white college girls love convertible Mustangs, that's just a fact of life.

That's funny. The Europeans never forgot and the Japanese just got wind of it.

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That's not a 1969 Mustang even though it's trying really hard to look like one.
http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/trim/gtfastback/

Time to go rent a convertible mustang and cruise around the local university. :D

Who said anything about forgetting?
The point being that turboed 4s can now double the hp of old school V8s and the Mustang and Camaro are both gradually changing from big heavy beasts that needed V8s to simply move to lighter more nimble machines that can get along perfectly on a turboed 4. Not everybody needs to get a massive 8 just because "muscle car".

I like both. Both are exciting in different ways and certainly not "everybody" should necessarily want them, but if you want a "Muscle car" it has to have muscle.

My 2.0 RS Skyline had more performance that the Corvette of the same year and I got at least one chance to test it in the real world, the vette went out easily, but it was not, is not and never will be a "muscle car."

Boosted four banger.

http://i.imgur.com/l4aGLNo.gif

Big V8

http://i.imgur.com/Wh0y1Mh.gif

Either gets the job done, but they are not the same thing.

No they are not the same thing. Your gifs make my point nicely though. They both get the job done but some people don't want or need a pro wrestler and would prefer the Kung fu artist. At the same time there is no reason to say that if you do want a pro wrestler that they be built the same as they always were. The next gen of pro could be smaller and lighter but just as effective as the massive version of the past.

Though is there really replacement for "displacement" and "cylinder count"? My WRX can easily make ~300whp/tq, making it faster than some pony cars out there. I think it would still feel like crap because of the turbo lag. People should stop go telling me modern turbo has little to no lag because that's horseshit.

I'm all for people having what they want.

Want Kung Fu, buy Kung Fu.

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Want Pro Wrestler, buy Pro Wrestler.

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Bruce is a bad mofo, but he ain't Lesnar. Lesnar is a bad mofo, but he ain't Bruce. Either can demolish a man, but the way they go about is is different and while the pile of hamburger that used to be their respective opponents is the same, they way of the pummeling was different.

You can't call Kung Fu Pro Wrestling and you can't call Pro Wrestling Kung Fu. Similarly, a high strung small displacement engine is not a musclecar engine. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's just a fact. Sorry.

Sorry fior what? I think we are in total agreement here. I come from a long line of muscle cars. And I mean real muscle cars not the quasi sports cars they call muscle now.
The pint I was trying to make seems to have got lost someplace along the line here. What I originally spoke out against was the statement that the cars involved HAD to have an 8 to be any good. This is just not true anymore. What we now have is a pro wrestler body with Kung fu skills. This can be more effective than either group on its own when pitted against one that is strictly one or the other. I guess they really are sort of the MMA of the car world now.

Oh good, we do seem to be tracking similar lines.

This isn't really a first, though. Going back to Mustangs, the Fox body 5.0s in my town back when they were legion feared some guy I heard whispered about who had a Fox body, but his said SVO. ;)

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Those old 2.3 turbo four bangers can still box too, apparently, better than the new breed in this case.

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Some? Try faster than >90% of all muscle cars.

Go look up how much horsepower a Mustang GT made in 2009, 1999, and 1989. Over the past five years we went from 300hp being 'big power' to 'v6 mom-mobile'

It's patently absurd how easy horsepower is these days.

Your WRX would pull hard on the Corvette of my youth, and make the Corvette of tcoats youth look like it was in park.

I got WRX, but I get your point. Turbo 4 banger can be really fast. Though my point being, Turbo engines don't have "instant" feel of NA engine. It doesn't matter how good the turbo and calibration is.

I like lag. It's like foreplay to a wild romp when the gate cracks and the car takes off. Same reason I enjoy it when the 2 smoke bike comes on the pipe and turns into a rocket.

Thanks for all the opinions, I went and test drove the ecoboost mustang this weekend. The car looks better in person.

I like the analogy pro wrestler with kung fu skills!....I think that is why I am considering the mustang.

After driving the mustang I wish I could own both and have the choice depending on my mood.


Thoughts after a 20 min test drive

Pros
Nice body styling
Higher quality interior, not a huge fan of the chrome toggle switches, odd looking start button
Car felt more solid
Nice passing power on the highway
Nice looking signature lighting front and rear
Different settings for weight of steering
Lots of options/gadgets


Cons
Car feels big - got used to it pretty quick
Body roll
Reliability? Low resale?


Hard to decide because the cars are so different

FRS feels more precise and exciting to drive, just wish the interior mainly the (hvac controls) were nicer.

Mustang feels plush, more solid, more power but a bit 'boaty' and softer ride



My wifes (not a car fan) initial thoughts was the mustang feels more comfortable, solid but does not feel like a sports car.

She felt the FRS felt like a sports car

Sounds like you would like a BRZ.

If you don't care about rear seat, go test drive the new Miata. Tune alone can bump power to 25-30hp/tq.

I do require the rear seat, my daughter 3.5 rides with me on the weekends. If I do decide to sell my FRS it will be for the mustang.