Heel Toe - detailed video (pretty good)
 

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/04/07/h...utorial-video/

Only thing I disagree with is braking before clutching. I always clutch let the car come down and if it can't come down fast enough I'll tap the breaks to enter my next gear speed. I have never and probably will never brake then clutch

Do you brake clutch or clutch brake?

Researching this, looks like half brake, half clutch

This guy explained the transmission inner workings pretty well
To this point, I don't heel toe, but maybe I'll work on it

As I'm sitting here at work,I'm having a hard time thinking of how exactly I clutch on a regular basis,mainly because I've been driving stick for so long,it's almost like second nature.

The only thing that I do know it that sometimes I get lazy and don't bother downshifting.It's usually only in light traffic when I do that though.

One thing I will say about the FR-S. Coming from a little 98 Nissan 200SX,I found it to be a big adjustment getting use to the FR-S' high clutch.

Clutch downshift, clutch downshift, clutch downshift. Brake. Clutch.

Normal, everyday driving.... is not complicated, and it gets muddied with every thread here.

Don't overthink it. Heel-toe before the corner, Scandinavian flick, power oversteer. When you get to your destination, pop bottles of champagne on the podium. Rinse, repeat. It's important to keep a cooler of champagne in the trunk.

Good thing this subject isn't getting analyzed to death lately.

If only everyone had chosen the clearly superior transmission option where computers do everything for you, and faster too, we wouldn't have these problems :D

Coming from an older Honda I find it a bit more difficult to heel toe in the FRS. The integra I blip the throttle and it was exactly where it needed to be. In the FRS I have to stomp the throttle and sometimes I feel like I need to let it stay for a fraction of a second in order to get a smooth heel toe.

What @Tcoat said, on the street: downshift downshift downshift (basically 'engine braking' or 'coasting in gear' to slow down for the anticipated change in speed, stop light/sign, child, etc.) then brake, then clutch when engine rpm drops to ~1500 (could also heel-toe the downshifts to have constant deceleration while keeping revs in the useful range). Saves fuel, easier to accelerate if the light turns green, ball rolls out of the way, traffic clears etc.

Emergency stop? Crossed the finish line at autox and don't want to run over the person with the sticky notes? Brake hard then clutch. If you clutch first your engine will be hanging up at 3k, 4k, 7k while you apply the brakes. The car will be ok if it stalls, it won't be if you hit something.

Dat throttle by wire yo.
I hate it, I could describe my old POS pickup truck the same way vs. the 86 but you eventually get a feel for blipping hard to 50% throttle to get the revs to come up.

Dat throttle by wire yo.
I hate it, I could describe my old POS pickup truck the same way vs. the 86 but you eventually get a feel for blipping hard to 50% throttle to get the revs to come up.[/QUOTE]

It does drive me nuts some times. I need to take out the clutch pedal spring to see if that will help in my endeavors. I get the feeling I need to be more methodical with the FRS where the integra it was more a matter of being quick in order to not upset the car.:burnrubber:

It's fairly difficult to get the stock clutch to engage at the correct time unless you removed the clutch spring. It's so much easier to heel-toe after you do that, even when the throttle is being dumb because throttle by wire.

Exactly what I was hoping for. I do miss the cable clutch and throttle in my old car.

Old guys who drove old cars learned to double clutch as well because after 20k their synchros didn't work worth a damn.

My dad racing my car: It wasn't until I put a camera in it did I realize he was heal-toe-double-clutching the whole time. Go dad!

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Or didn't even have them!

I've only driven one classic Mustang in my life, but doing the double throttle blip like I was Steve McQueen and hearing the V8 bark was the best part of it.

Edit: for clarity on the relevance, old cars kinda suck.

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Disagree with what?

How you downshift is entirely dependent on your driving needs.

Regular downshift as you coast, you don't need brakes.
Downshift at the track? You need to brake first then downshift as you are braking so you maintain maximum velocity at all times.

-alex

Being an older guy...I agree with this, but my dad would tell me use your brakes, they're cheaper than a clutch! I rarely brake...

I personally prefer granny shifting - not double clutching like I should...
But to each his own...

Durante un test drive in pista Un famoso ex pilota italiano mi disse : " è meglio far fuori i freni che far fuori un motore "

So....

BRAKE,brake,clutch downshift,clutch downshift

I have been waiting for this over three different threads now! Was starting to get disappointed.

Damn those accents and their blocking of quotes!




During a test drive on track A famous former Italian rider said: " it is better to take out the brakes that take out an engine "


As Strat pointed out in his earlier post there is indeed a difference in what should be done on the road vs the track. Even then if your "Italian Rider" is not capable of a safe downshift then it may explain why he is "former".

Guess that's why I've never ventured into heel toe brake clutch, I don't track my car. If I had extra one, Id be at Road Atlanta all the time

If I wasn't in a financial position to drive this car hard at the track/autox (still currently worth >$15k) I'd sell it and whatever would allow me to have fun again.

Totally agree, heel-toe-double-clutch-downshifting is totally unnecessary.

Took the time to learn on my way to work and picking up milk on the way home, totally helped when it came to burning rubber.

:burnrubber:

Great, now I'm looking up Integra's on craigslist again...

3 pedals and stick are unnecessary as well. But we have them so we can play with them. Necessity is mostly irrelevant when it comes to entertaining ourselves.

Nailing a perfect HTDC, always delivers a quality sense of satisfaction.


edit: Videos are more fun:

S2000 at the ring
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Ayrton Senna wearing loafers:
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Dad's awesome! I giggled out loud.

For the heel-toe guys I'll say it again in this thread. Pedal dance also eliminates that annoying throttle-cut-while-braking mode. It actually responds like a real throttle. Don't take my word for it. Try it!

Don't know anything about heel-toe shifting, but that Engineering Explained guy is the coolest kid in the internet. It would be awesome to sit next to him on an airplane for a few hours.

Exactly this. Day to day driving at normal surface road speeds shouldn't really require heel/toe action. The "toe" part of heel/toe comes into play specifically when you are maintaining speed as long as possible and then need to decrease, downshift, and power quickly for your corners. It's much easier to do under these circumstances vs tooling around town.

Also, on our car I've found it's more like right edge of foot/left edge of foot and it takes a pretty hefty amount of gas to get the revs up. My mom's Z3 is a much easier car to heel toe in for example, but it's because it's all analog.

To slow a vehicle the most accurate and reliable method is to use the brakes. Heal and toe allows the driver to stay on the brakes longer whilst selecting the correct gear for the corner.

Using just gears to slow a vehicle comes into play when brakes are made redundant through failure or when driving on slippery surfaces when braking will just lock the wheels.

Obviously if you just hooning then it don't matter as you're in total control of your vehicle you know what you're doing.. sarcasm can be added to this paragraph.