86 now shown as upcoming on US Toyota site
 

(apologies if repost)

http://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/86/

No specs or any specific info though.

I like how they put upcoming car and show FT-1 lol...

Exciting news.....>>!

why did they drop the GT? So its just called an 86?

Maybe they changed the picture, but that's not an FT-1 on there now. That's the 2017 refresh for the Toyota 86.

Forget the Toyota 86, I'm more excited for the new 2017 Corolla. I mean just look at that new "daring new front end"!

http://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/corolla/

That Corolla front end looks vicious

It's called the Toyota 86 in Japan. It's called the GT86 in Europe.

Holy shit that's ugly.

New front end don't look "too" bad in that pic.

I would describe it more as fishious. The car looks like an angry, fat fish that sits on the bottom of the ocean eating whatever garbage floats down to it while cursing all the quicker, more attractive fish above it.

The worst part is that they are trying to make it look agressive, but not to much. "Fishious", but still like a pretty normal car. But with designs like that, one should either be VERY bold, or do nothing at all. Veloster Turbo was, in my opinion, a good example of the former, with that really exaggerated fish mouth. It was a hate it or love it design. The Corolla is hate it or meh.

well... corolla front end looks kind like 86 front end.... But then i guess they started as the same car 30 years ago.../cough cough

Not really.

http://cdn.silodrome.com/wp-content/...de-Profile.jpg

Arnold says it best

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcgRaf38uCQ"]You're One Ugly Motherfucker! (Predator 1987) HD - YouTube[/ame]

Does the Twin fit the GT as defined below?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_tourer

In Japan it was always called "86" since the top trim is known as "GT Limited".

And "GT" is nothing more than a throwback to the 2000GT name.

The ONLY reason this car is called an "86" is for marketing purposes. It gives the enthusiasts something to hang a reference on. It doesn't share any styling cues with the AE86, nor does it share any technical inspiration other than being RWD. It's not any more a relative of the AE86 than a second step-cousin twice removed.

The style of this car is based on the 2000GT. The underpinnings are new. But if Toyota had said, "We're bringing back the 2000GT," the majority of potential buyers would have said, "The what?" Then, since the 2000GTs that still exist are going for $1M or more, people would have concluded that the new car would be expensive. So they hung the 86 on it to imply that it would be cheap.

This forced "lineage" is goofy.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AwGKEOmgQ6...ustinClaps.gif


Almost as goofy as a bunch of skinny white boys, Latinos or non Japanese Asians using words like "Zenki and Kouki" based on the simple fact they own a car built in Japan.


#JDM4LIFEYO

And they originally sold for the equivalent of $48,000 in today's dollars. And was considered a high priced halo car. Wish I was alive and had $6,800 in 1967.

Once again you leave out fat blacks :paddle:

I would like to think they are smarter than the wantabes.

It does share one styling cue...the dash clock.

I was just answering whoever asked why the "GT" was dropped from "GT86" for the twins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_86

Toyota 86 in Asia, South Africa, North America (from August 2016), South America and Australia;[1] GT86 in Europe; both of the preceding names in New Zealand; FT86 in Nicaragua and Jamaica;
Subaru BRZ worldwide;
Scion FR-S in the US and Canada. After August 2016 the Scion FR-S will be renamed as the Toyota 86.[2][3]

Hmm NO. 86 is a spiritual successor to Corolla GTS Levin/Trueno A.K.A AE86. Most people here probably have no idea what AE86 is, a damn Corolla.

I'm Cantonese and to me Zenki and Kouki is basically 前期 and 後期 in Chinese that are stupidly similar phonetically with the same meanings (duh where do you think Japanese people originated from).

What's more goofy is the Japanese that can't even simply explain the meaning and use of "san" to the gwai lo here.

JDM4LIFEYO in reality has been around a lot longer outside of Japan than the interweb would have you believe. Yet back in the 80's in Japan it was mostly USA4LIFEBAKA!

BTW here's 86's sexy cruising ancestor (check out the 86's new steering wheel inspiration):

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GoWMQSfG9o"]AE86 ニュルブルクリンク トレノ編 - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3tFDcVo1rU"]AE86 ニュルブルクリンク　レビン編 - YouTube[/ame]

"Spiritual successor" is a LOLtastic marketing term. Nothing more. This car has absolutely nothing to do with those cars other than the campaign a marketing team put together to convince you there was a connection.

The black front grill thing really took off, I think first it was audi's that did it? then the evos had it, now its lexus,toyota and hyundai doing it. Some people just plastidip the front black to make it seem like a grill

Connection is AE86 and FT86 are entry level affordable lightweight RWDs. 2000GT has always been a high end sportscar to Toyota and enthusiasts alike. Something legendary, something super like Supra or LFA. 30years from now, you will see LFA in collectors' hand and go on auction for well over a million dollars (2000GT was auctioned at 1.2 Mil in 2013), but FR-S will be at scrapyard or in hand of drift junkies.

S800 is a platform reference.
2000GT is a stylistic reference.
AE86 is a price point / target market reference.

All three archive models may have other minor design references that would overlap to inspire the new model.

Marketing just exploited these references in their campaign efforts but I'm sure some connections were made right from the start.

An analogy would be the adidas NMD referencing their archive catalog in a similar fashion with their design and marketing material (Boston Super ~ AE86, Rising Star ~ S800, Micropacer ~ 2000GT).

Agree. Though what's more important is, how is it related to consumers' perspective? It's always price point of the product. Price point segments consumers and determines demographics.

Exact same vintage!

The classic Jeco digital clock I used to think it's some sort of Toyota inside joke to be around for this long.

Then one time I saw a pic of the clock inside the 2000GT and it reads JECO.

http://www.jeco.co.jp/english/product/display.html

http://www.jeco.co.jp/english/produc...y_digital1.jpg

Man, the bar for supercar was really low back then... 150hp with a 2400lb curb weight.

Forget about spec. 2000GT was created by Carroll Shelby and won many racing series. Those achievements earned the car its status, not the spec.

I've seen that face before.

http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims...a-86-001-1.jpg

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...0/sad_frog.jpg

Apparently the "constipated catfish" look is what all car companies must think buyers want today.

Seriously - look at just about every new car introduced in the last 3 years or so.

I suspect someone may have posted that already, possibly many times. But too many threads to follow.


Anyway, the 86 is not "upcoming" anymore on Toyota website
http://www.toyota.com/86/

2017 FRS brochure is up too.

True this. Still it doesn't look like Toyota is trying to hide that simple fact. They're proud of it.

http://www.toyota.com/86/
Rear-Wheel Drive Hachi Roku

A global icon, the AE86 Hachi Roku Corolla helped cement Toyota’s racing cred. With its light body, Rear-Wheel Drive chassis and nimble handling, the AE86 was a force to be reckoned with on the track and the streets. It inspired generations of enthusiasts and the car remains a legend to this day. Toyota took this AE86 DNA and gave it a modern twist to create our purest sports car yet—the 2017 Toyota 86. It’s everything a sports car should be, backed by Toyota’s proven technology. And it’s how we carry the 86 legend forward to the next generation. Let’s fire it up.