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apelpapa 03-24-2016 12:10 AM

PCV Valve Replacement with STI Valve
 
I just installed the SPD kit on my car and I picked up a STI PCV Valve since a lot of people were recommending replacing it since the stock one is plastic. However where I would assume the PCV Valve is installed is right behind the intake manifold where the passenger side hose is going to from the intake manifold, right? Mine is metal (maybe the inside piece is plastic?)
So my question is am I looking at the right thing to replace? If so did you just use a socket with an angler to replace it, because it is kind of a pain where it sits right now?
I'm sorry if this isn't in the right section. I figured it would be with forced induction.
I've tried to google it but all I come up with is replacing the small plastic elbow, but that was hollow and replace with a straight metal tube during installation.

GsxrMe 03-24-2016 12:13 AM

Delete it and install a catchcan.

apelpapa 03-24-2016 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GsxrMe (Post 2595069)
Delete it and install a catchcan.

I'm planing on installing a catch can in the summer, just holding off a little to recoup a little bit of funds

GsxrMe 03-24-2016 09:31 PM

I know how you feel but catch can and oilcooler is a must. The engine will take a beating even if it's a 7psi basemap tune with DD car.

I had oil leaks from anywhere the damn pressure could get out during WOT. Pcv delete, catchcan fixed it real fast.

Bykov 03-24-2016 09:36 PM

The JRSC instruction manual has instructions for installing it. That would be a good place to start. It has specific placement. I would go into why placement is important but I don't feel like looking through the KWSC thread for where it's mentioned. Hope that helps.

apelpapa 03-25-2016 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bykov (Post 2596533)
The JRSC instruction manual has instructions for installing it. That would be a good place to start. It has specific placement. I would go into why placement is important but I don't feel like looking through the KWSC thread for where it's mentioned. Hope that helps.

Thanks for that, they installed a one way check one the hose I was thinking about, so I'll just swap the valve at the end of it. Thank you!

apelpapa 03-25-2016 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GsxrMe (Post 2596525)
I know how you feel but catch can and oilcooler is a must. The engine will take a beating even if it's a 7psi basemap tune with DD car.

I had oil leaks from anywhere the damn pressure could get out during WOT. Pcv delete, catchcan fixed it real fast.

Ya, I'll probably order the dual radiums next week and just install the valve in the middle of the line temporarily until they come in

The Racers Line 03-25-2016 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apelpapa (Post 2595062)
I just installed the SPD kit on my car and I picked up a STI PCV Valve since a lot of people were recommending replacing it since the stock one is plastic. However where I would assume the PCV Valve is installed is right behind the intake manifold where the passenger side hose is going to from the intake manifold, right? Mine is metal (maybe the inside piece is plastic?)
So my question is am I looking at the right thing to replace? If so did you just use a socket with an angler to replace it, because it is kind of a pain where it sits right now?
I'm sorry if this isn't in the right section. I figured it would be with forced induction.
I've tried to google it but all I come up with is replacing the small plastic elbow, but that was hollow and replace with a straight metal tube during installation.

You don't replace the stock one because it is plastic, you replace it because it was never meant to see boost, so it opens up(under even 1psi from my testing) and lets boost into the crank case (bad)

A 19mm deep socket and a medium extension will get the old one out (it will be tight, but comes out) Screw the new STI one in by hand and then tighten down with the socket/ratchet.

zkv476 03-25-2016 04:15 AM

Yea idk who said the stock PCV is plastic; it is very much metal. I put in the one from the FA20F WRX.

Any reason they say to use the STI one? Is it better? Didn't even realize those were compatible.

Sportsguy83 03-25-2016 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zkv476 (Post 2596923)
Yea idk who said the stock PCV is plastic; it is very much metal. I put in the one from the FA20F WRX.

Any reason they say to use the STI one? Is it better? Didn't even realize those were compatible.

Shouldn't be much difference. WRX/STI, both were made to see boost, so they both work for the application.

spitfire481 03-25-2016 03:48 PM

its definitely metal. i drilled out the check valve in mine so it was wide open for my atmospheric vent catch can.

GsxrMe 03-25-2016 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spitfire481 (Post 2597397)
its definitely metal. i drilled out the check valve in mine so it was wide open for my atmospheric vent catch can.

BINGO

Yep. Blow by creates presure in the case. If the valve is shut over boost then the crankcase can't let the presure out. The front case vent isn't enough.

Put a cap plug on your intake plenum and vent to atmosphere. a filter popped on the barb is better than back presure. And BOOM!

When I boosted my Busa, I left my crackcase vent wide open. Not worth it not to.

apelpapa 03-26-2016 01:36 AM

Ya, I'm not sure were I heard that it was plastic. Thanks for the replies guys.

mrk1 03-26-2016 10:15 PM

I run a VTA can and just replaced the valve with a hose fitting of the correct threads, boom done.

I did it just for simplicity, one less thing to fail.

crazyfrenchbiker 03-28-2016 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrk1 (Post 2598583)
I run a VTA can and just replaced the valve with a hose fitting of the correct threads, boom done.

I did it just for simplicity, one less thing to fail.

We did the same thing with both our race cars.

armstrom 03-28-2016 04:11 PM

Most factory turbo cars get around this by having the PCV vent before the compressor inlet so the valve never sees boost, only atmospheric pressure or vacuum. Many people still install catch cans to avoid sucking oil into the turbo and ultimately coating the intercooler with oil. It's possible to install a catch can that does not vent to atmosphere though. That's what I did on my MR2.
-Matt

mrk1 03-28-2016 04:54 PM

The problem is not the material of the valve, plastic, metal, solid gold. The problem is the circuit was never intended to see positive pressure. Its not rocket science but it needs to be rearranged for boost.

Drilled out stock piece, no plastic

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q...psqiwmnfj0.png

Plunger is metal, sticks to a magnet just fine

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q...psr1h0q68i.png

mrk1 03-29-2016 12:20 PM

If people are paying for a "metal upgrade" what can I sell this High Flow Fully Ported valve for?

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q...psjmyc7isz.jpg

Rinzler_ft86 06-25-2016 08:53 PM

Where is this pcv located?

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DHitHim 09-07-2016 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Racers Line (Post 2596760)
You don't replace the stock one because it is plastic, you replace it because it was never meant to see boost, so it opens up(under even 1psi from my testing) and lets boost into the crank case (bad)

A 19mm deep socket and a medium extension will get the old one out (it will be tight, but comes out) Screw the new STI one in by hand and then tighten down with the socket/ratchet.

Do I retain the stock one of I have a boomba valve. I'm running with a radium dual catch can set up


Quote:

Originally Posted by Rinzler_ft86 (Post 2689173)
Where is this pcv located?

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The passenger side hose on the intake manifold cover, follow it down and on the block is the factory PCV.

The Racers Line 09-07-2016 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHitHim (Post 2747871)
Do I retain the stock one of I have a boomba valve. I'm running with a radium dual catch can set up

Yup you are good with the boomba valve.

DHitHim 09-08-2016 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Racers Line (Post 2747872)
Yup you are good with the boomba valve.


So leave the stock valve in place and run the Boomba inline with it?


Also thanks!

The Racers Line 09-08-2016 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHitHim (Post 2748697)
So leave the stock valve in place and run the Boomba inline with it?


Also thanks!

Yes

switchlanez 12-08-2017 08:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zkv476 (Post 2596923)
Yea idk who said the stock PCV is plastic; it is very much metal. I put in the one from the FA20F WRX.

Any reason they say to use the STI one? Is it better? Didn't even realize those were compatible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83 (Post 2597021)
Shouldn't be much difference. WRX/STI, both were made to see boost, so they both work for the application.

I bought the STI PCV valve for the EJ PN 11810AA040 and the spout was much smaller than the hose. PN 11910AA141 for the FA in the WRX has a proportionally fatter spout based on pics. Can anyone confirm the part numbers?

switchlanez 02-05-2019 10:36 PM

Got a few private messages about this. Confirming part number 11810AA141 fit when I installed it.

86zn6 07-28-2020 04:10 AM

should this the right part#? 11810AA131

https://www.blingstrom.com/diy-proje...0the%20vehicle.

botbs 04-06-2022 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by switchlanez (Post 3182598)
Got a few private messages about this. Confirming part number 11810AA141 fit when I installed it.

So we should get the FA - 11810AA141 and not the EJ 11810AA040, am I correct?

Thanks!

KillerBMotorsport 04-07-2022 08:30 AM

You guys should just consider just modifying the PCV system so it's the same as on a WRX/STi. VTA is going to create unwanted crankcase pressure vs vacuum. I definitely recommend managing the blow-by with a can or AOS to scrub clean before going back into the engine. Many more benefits to running a closed loop system.

Nice thing about the FA is the internal baffling is pretty good. The venting capacity could be better (and changing some parts can help that), but it spews WAY less than an EJ engine!

Sur 04-17-2022 01:00 AM

So which part number should I be buying?

botbs 05-31-2022 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sur (Post 3517571)
So which part number should I be buying?

11810AA141

I got this installed

Sur 06-03-2022 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by botbs (Post 3526660)
11810AA141

I got this installed

Thanks, yes I already installed it as well.


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