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vh_supra26 03-19-2016 07:22 PM

Facelifted Toyota GT 86 Convertible Render Is Food For Thought
 
Looks nice, but its not happening...

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GaqBO2TJW...-rendering.jpg

Quote:

The Scion brand is officially dead yet everything seems to go smooth for Toyota, which rolled off an updated version of its compact coupe that just got rebranded.

It features some new design elements both outside and in the cabin, completed by an extra 5 HP squeezed from Subaru’s 2.0-liter boxer four-pot mill, shared with the BRZ.

While the manufacturer currently focuses on the GT 86, X-Tomi reminds us that this is the same brand that gave us the FT-86 Open Concept a few years ago.

Based on the study and featuring the new updates applied to the rear-wheel drive car for 2017 MY, this rendering shows what could have been had Toyota given the go ahead for an open-top variant.

The last time we heard about it was 2014, when Scion’s chief Doug Murtha refuted claims of the project.
“So on the convertible we went down swinging,” said Murtha, adding that the company brass could not find enough other countries or regions within Toyota that were interested in a convertible "to make the thing pencil".

“I think we were pretty aggressive on our (submitted plan), but we looked at what we would have conceivably lost on the product and said, ‘We’re not going to even push it further,’” he said. “Nobody was more disappointed than we were.”
Plus, the coupe being, more or less, in the middle of its life cycle, adding a convertible is highly unlikely. Maybe next time then...

Patman 03-20-2016 03:27 PM

:( Oh well..... Actually, I think a t-top FRS would look quite good, as well.....Would retain a little more structural rigidity, too.

Tcoat 03-20-2016 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Patman (Post 2589712)
:( Oh well..... Actually, I think a t-top FRS would look quite good, as well.....Would retain a little more structural rigidity, too.

Targa!


http://openroadautogroup.com/sites/d...-s_targa_1.jpg

CatScan 03-20-2016 04:20 PM

I'd take one of these, just for fun.

http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/imag...ar-49720_5.jpg

Or this:

http://www.roadsmile.com/images/suzu...urbo_red_6.jpg

gymratter 03-20-2016 08:33 PM

I kinda like the blue green turquoise color.

JimR 03-22-2016 10:44 AM

Then came the ND MX-5. I don't think that teal ninja turtle would hold up well against the current iteration of Miata. Fun exercise, but a tough seller.

Th3rdSun 03-22-2016 10:49 AM

I'm glad it's just a fantasy. I've always hated convertibles.

If anything,they should've put in a longitudinal sunroof like Maximas have,but I really don't need that either. Just another thing to make insurance higher.

funwheeldrive 03-22-2016 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JimR (Post 2592032)
Then came the ND MX-5. I don't think that teal ninja turtle would hold up well against the current iteration of Miata. Fun exercise, but a tough seller.

Agreed. The frs is already shower than the miata. A convertible would do even worse on paper.

MisterSheep 03-22-2016 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2589738)
Targa!

^ I agree with @Tcoat.. I believe there should be a higher trim option that does have a targa top.

Tcoat 03-22-2016 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterSheep (Post 2592123)
^ I agree with @Tcoat.. I believe there should be a higher trim option that does have a targa top.

I am a huge convertible fan but think these cars would suffer to much from the extra bracing and reinforcement that a convert needs. Not so bad for things like the Miata where they were designed from the start since they don't need extras. I think the targa would retain at least some of the required rigidity but still give the convert feel. Not a hope in hell that they will ever make it though and the custom ones cost about the price of a Porsche so no targa for me.

RichardsFRS 03-22-2016 12:16 PM

The first one looked way better. Also is it a roadster built to be a roadster? If not like tcoat said bracing and other junk to make it perform. Like a gigantic halo yuck

Braces 03-22-2016 12:43 PM

Top down motoring in a small agile 86 would have been FUN. You really get an appreciation for all the sounds of the car and the road with top down driving. It's a more visceral experience.

If it was in the 86 future .... it would have been designed from the start. Apparently it was not.

CatScan 03-22-2016 01:12 PM

The Solara convertible weighed almost 4,000 pounds. An FR-S convertible would be a 30k turd.

gymratter 03-22-2016 11:21 PM

Mazda just release photos of a retractable fastback Miata. Your move Toyota...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...=73439&page=17

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SV3rH8_9-...MX-5-RF-15.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BleFDsGGh...MX-5-RF-16.jpg

themadscientist 03-23-2016 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2589738)

https://genophoria.files.wordpress.c...e-my-money.jpg

Packofcrows 03-23-2016 06:09 AM

Targa if it had 4 seater and 25 more hp/tq

finch1750 03-23-2016 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2592134)
I am a huge convertible fan but think these cars would suffer to much from the extra bracing and reinforcement that a convert needs. Not so bad for things like the Miata where they were designed from the start since they don't need extras. I think the targa would retain at least some of the required rigidity but still give the convert feel. Not a hope in hell that they will ever make it though and the custom ones cost about the price of a Porsche so no targa for me.

But we can always dream...

Dadhawk 03-23-2016 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2589738)
Targa!

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterSheep (Post 2592123)
^ I agree with @Tcoat.. I believe there should be a higher trim option that does have a targa top.

And once again the war cry goes out from us in the club...

TARGA! TARGA! TARGA!

followed by the resounding echo of

LOUVERS! LOUVERS! LOUVERS!

Must have them both. I'd even take the new "nose" and tolerate a few extra electronic gizmos of the unneeded variety if it came with both of these.

NOHOME 03-23-2016 09:14 AM

Backseat in the FRS is already a torture chamber, making the car a convertible would be like inventing "windboarding" for the back-seat occupants; you could drive ISIS captives around until they broke and spilled the beans.

Other than that yeah, great idea.

Tcoat 03-23-2016 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by NOHOME (Post 2593597)
Backseat in the FRS is already a torture chamber, making the car a convertible would be like inventing "windboarding" for the back-seat occupants; you could drive ISIS captives around until they broke and spilled the beans.

Other than that yeah, great idea.

Obviously it would become a two seater. Not unheard of historically.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...onvertible.jpg

Tcoat 03-23-2016 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 2593591)
And once again the war cry goes out from us in the club...

TARGA! TARGA! TARGA!

followed by the resounding echo of

LOUVERS! LOUVERS! LOUVERS!

Must have them both. I'd even take the new "nose" and tolerate a few extra electronic gizmos of the unneeded variety if it came with both of these.

https://33.media.tumblr.com/c1f54988...t7hiz8_500.gif

NOHOME 03-23-2016 09:25 AM

This thread just became pointless. Mazda just bitch-slapped and slammed the door on any other company competing in the sports-car convertible market.

This is now for sale:

https://ca.mazdacdn.com/common/mx-5-...1924074800.jpg

Dadhawk 03-23-2016 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOHOME (Post 2593611)
This thread just became pointless. Mazda just bitch-slapped and slammed the door on any other company competing in the sports-car convertible market.

True...but it's still a Miata, and having seen the current one in person the current model is the Miatiaest of the Miatias so far.

Sorry, just not for me...your opinion may and can vary.

Plus no ability to have louvers!

Tcoat 03-23-2016 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOHOME (Post 2593611)
This thread just became pointless. Mazda just bitch-slapped and slammed the door on any other company competing in the sports-car convertible market.

This is now for sale:

Yep and it seems to be a hit here.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103333


Could get very lonely talking to myself here in about a year. I will know how Go feels.


Edit: It appears that I will still have Hawk to talk to.

vh_supra26 03-23-2016 11:08 AM

I think its a little too late for the 86 seeing how its already reaching its midlife cycle.

However, maybe a drop a roadster S-FR will be in the cards?

http://www.sfrforums.com/forums/atta...4&d=1444839302

NOHOME 03-23-2016 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 2593616)
True...but it's still a Miata, and having seen the current one in person the current model is the Miatiaest of the Miatias so far.

Sorry, just not for me...your opinion may and can vary.

Plus no ability to have louvers!

Having actually owned both a Miata and an FRS, I would say that the Miata is a better product. It had to appeal to a more focused group and as such its purpose was not watered down.

Because Toyota and Subaru had to cover a wider spectrum of customers, the FRS got a bit diluted in its purpose. The result is that the FRS is a so-so car with an amazing chassis. I am OK with that, and glad that I got to experience the car, but I would not buy another if they are still around when I finish with this one. The mixed parentage of the car means that I have not developed any loyalties towards Subaru or Toyota when the time comes to buy my next car.

One thing to consider is that in Canada the Miata is a 15k price jump from the FRS by the time it lands in the driveway (32K for FRS vs 45K for Miata ), so from a value standpoint the FRS is not a bad deal. But it is not a great car.

Dadhawk 03-23-2016 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOHOME (Post 2594065)
Having actually owned both a Miata and an FRS, I would say that the Miata is a better product. It had to appeal to a more focused group and as such its purpose was not watered down....

All reasonable points and I realize I'm in the minority on the Miata. I have driven them multiple times, and just can't bring myself to like them.

It's just, for me, they would have to change the car substantially before I would own one, although they are going in the right direction with the Targa (if it were manual). At least with the Targa it doesn't look like a cartoon bathtub on wheels.

Now, that said, I would (and it pains me to say this) take the Miata Targa over the S-FR.

gymratter 03-23-2016 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 2594096)
All reasonable points and I realize I'm in the minority on the Miata. I have driven them multiple times, and just can't bring myself to like them.

Same here, they're just too small for me :(

xmadror 03-23-2016 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 2594096)
Now, that said, I would (and it pains me to say this) take the Miata Targa over the S-FR.

Thing is you would probably be able to get close to 2 S-FR for the price of one targa miata.

I've always liked miata, had a NB for ~3 years as my DD and only car. But my BRZ is a much better DD.
I'd love to get a targa miata as a toy/2nd car tough.

wireman957 03-23-2016 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOHOME (Post 2593611)
This thread just became pointless. Mazda just bitch-slapped and slammed the door on any other company competing in the sports-car convertible market.

This is now for sale:

https://ca.mazdacdn.com/common/mx-5-...1924074800.jpg

I've been seeing these for a few months now in my area. They do look nice with the top up but I have to wonder how much weight that retractable hard top adds.

Tcoat 03-23-2016 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wireman957 (Post 2594810)
I've been seeing these for a few months now in my area. They do look nice with the top up but I have to wonder how much weight that retractable hard top adds.

I didn't think they were released yet?
I read that they add about 100 pounds (citation required) but I would think many buying these won't care.

vh_supra26 03-24-2016 11:21 AM

I have a FD, I imagine it has about the same amount of interior space as the Miata. I love the car, but it makes an awful daily. Its fun to take to meets and the track tho :D

NOHOME 03-24-2016 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wireman957 (Post 2594810)
I've been seeing these for a few months now in my area. They do look nice with the top up but I have to wonder how much weight that retractable hard top adds.


Well, if you have been seeing these for a few months, I know what your daily driver is!

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/data:...IiICIiAiIg/9k=http://www.ft86club.com/forums/data:...IiICIiAiIg/9k=http://images.amcnetworks.com/bbcame...12/tardis2.jpg

Since they wont be taking orders until June 2016:laughabove:


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