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JeRM 03-12-2016 05:28 PM

Automatic v6/v8 swap?
 
Coworker today just gave me the idea to do a swap on my fr-s, but I'm looking to keep my car automatic.

Is there any info online regarding a swap for LS1 like this?

Is there any automatic V6 swap perhaps either?

Thanks a lot.

Note: http://shop.weaponsgradeperformance....rz-ls-swap-kit Does not offer a automatic package option.

Guff 03-13-2016 06:37 PM

I'll be the first to say it. A swap isn't as easy as it sounds.

And, no offense, but I'm assuming if you don't know about Turbo 400s, 4L60/4L80s, etc, you're gonna have a bad time when you realize the extent of modification required to fit them.

Also, V6, really?

JeRM 03-13-2016 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guff (Post 2579582)
I'll be the first to say it. A swap isn't as easy as it sounds.

And, no offense, but I'm assuming if you don't know about Turbo 400s, 4L60/4L80s, etc, you're gonna have a bad time when you realize the extent of modification required to fit them.

Also, V6, really?

The car is light enough to enjoy a V6 with a turbo. The website kit above is for ls1 and has installation package option, so the labor and work is done for.

I'm just personally an automatic ONLY kind of driver. Standards make me nauseous and personally seem out dated to me. Kind of like matches vs lighters, just not my thing.

Would love an automatic LS1 to scoot around in, no dealing with clutch and manual shifting.

Dream20b 03-13-2016 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeRM (Post 2579604)
The car is light enough to enjoy a V6 with a turbo. The website kit above has installation package option, so the labor and work is done for.

I'm just personally an automatic ONLY kind of driver. Standards make me nauseous and personally seem out dated to me. Kind of like matches vs lighters, just not my thing.

Would love an automatic LS1 to scoot around in, no dealing with clutch and manual shifting.

be cheaper to buy a LS1 Camaro or firebird, no joke.

JeRM 03-13-2016 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dream20b (Post 2579611)
be cheaper to buy a LS1 Camaro or firebird, no joke.

My mom owned a '96(I think is correct year) z28 Camaro automatic, but I'm not a big fan of the body. Rather have a dope engine in the magnificent Fr-S

SoCal80six 03-13-2016 09:09 PM

2jz swap it!!

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wutsaiu 03-13-2016 10:16 PM

Buy this,
http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/nal-cpsls34l65e

Swap oil pan for LS2 GTO pan, get some mounts, and a few various hoses.

Done.

Enjoy!

Mr.ac 03-13-2016 10:44 PM

Just buy a Camero or Genesis in auto. Problem solved.

LOLS2K 03-13-2016 10:53 PM

:popcorn:

wutsaiu 03-13-2016 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.ac (Post 2579772)
Just buy a Camero or Genesis in auto. Problem solved.


:offtopic:

go_a_way1 03-13-2016 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOLS2K (Post 2579780)
:popcorn:

+ :popcorn:

I also want to ask why you want to spend money on an engine swap then it cost to buy a brand new FRS?

NOHOME 03-15-2016 11:20 AM

It is just a gearbox. No harder to do an Auto box than a Manual in a swap. Since the car is for my wife unit, I am doing an AOD in my swap project. Do pay attention to the gearing.

An to those that are commenting on the financial wisdom... swaps and projects are for the financially irresponsible (zero shits given) crowd. If you are not a member of that club, then you wont "get it".

Laika 03-15-2016 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeRM (Post 2579604)
Standards make me nauseous and personally seem out dated to me. Kind of like matches vs lighters, just not my thing.

Matches were invented three years after lighters

irax 03-15-2016 01:51 PM

If you do v6 I'd recommend the VQ37HR from the 370z. It came with flappy paddles as well.
It's the motor I'd consider swapping as well, except for the 6mt version.

Dream20b 03-15-2016 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeRM (Post 2579616)
My mom owned a '96(I think is correct year) z28 Camaro automatic, but I'm not a big fan of the body. Rather have a dope engine in the magnificent Fr-S

that's an LT, not an LS

Guff 03-16-2016 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laika (Post 2581926)
Matches were invented three years after lighters

Automatic Transmissions were invented in 1904, and the first Torque Converter Auto was in 1948. Manual Transmissions may have come in the late 19th century, but the first cone synchro manual transmission was in 1952 by Porsche. So I guess OP is wrong on that count too. But hey, if you like living that PRNDL life, then live it! :party0030:

juliog 03-16-2016 07:21 AM

For the cost of the swap and the donor car, you can buy a brand new Cayman with PDK.

/thread

RichardsFRS 03-16-2016 07:51 AM

Manual makes you noxious?

wutsaiu 03-16-2016 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juliog (Post 2583230)
For the cost of the swap and the donor car, you can buy a brand new Cayman with PDK.

/thread

:offtopic:

Sonic Motor 03-16-2016 08:46 PM

If you're going to swap it with something crazy like this... you should just go LSX/4L60E. Electronically controlled trans, but might a bit rough getting it in due to it's size.

LSX w/ 4L60E would feel amazing and provide good cruising MPG.

SmsAlSuwaidi 03-18-2016 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonic Motor (Post 2584397)
If you're going to swap it with something crazy like this... you should just go LSX/4L60E. Electronically controlled trans, but might a bit rough getting it in due to it's size.

LSX w/ 4L60E would feel amazing and provide good cruising MPG.

Why not a 4l80 ?

Ross 03-18-2016 01:06 PM

I have a feeling to get an 80 in you may need to rebuild the tunnel, but I feel it would be worth it over the 60. You can build the 60 to deal with the power but you will have to refresh it more often.

Nevermore 03-18-2016 02:02 PM

This topic is of interest to me, provided it doesn't veer too far off course or go down in flames (I'm not holding my breath to see which one happens first). I'm not considering swapping the FR-S, but down the line I'll need a good auto to go in something else that will get a shiny, new engine. I'd prefer an auto that operates just like the FR-S flappy paddle, but all the research I've done thus far makes it look like nothing operates quite the same way.


Good luck! Your success benefits me. Sorry I can't actually answer the question.

Sonic Motor 03-18-2016 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmsAlSuwaidi (Post 2586957)
Why not a 4l80 ?

No real reason not to. 4L80's only a few hundred more when buying a new trans.

Just know it's a bit bigger then the 4L60E and also about 100lbs edit: heavier, accidentally wrote lighter. (may not be on the dot, I didn't look up the exact weights)

cdrazic93 03-18-2016 03:01 PM

dog box. do it.

SmsAlSuwaidi 03-21-2016 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonic Motor (Post 2587420)
No real reason not to. 4L80's only a few hundred more when buying a new trans.

Just know it's a bit bigger then the 4L60E and also about 100lbs lighter (may not be on the dot, I didn't look up the exact weights)

Only issue I had with a previous 4l60 was maintaince even when fully rebuilt, never the less It works well

fumanchu1 03-21-2016 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeRM (Post 2579604)
The car is light enough to enjoy a V6 with a turbo. The website kit above is for ls1 and has installation package option, so the labor and work is done for.

I'm just personally an automatic ONLY kind of driver. Standards make me nauseous and personally seem out dated to me. Kind of like matches vs lighters, just not my thing.

Would love an automatic LS1 to scoot around in, no dealing with clutch and manual shifting.

ROFL if you think just because it's a kit it's gonna be a breeze then good luck with that, be prepared to pay 2x the price of the kit to get all necessary small parts, labour, fabrication and be ready for tons of headaches along the way.


If you aren't mechanically inclined, even with a kit you'll have to enlist professional installation which will be another several thousands.


And why oh why would you want a v6 in there, if you want a 6 cyl at least drop an inline in there.

fumanchu1 03-21-2016 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevermore (Post 2587332)
This topic is of interest to me, provided it doesn't veer too far off course or go down in flames (I'm not holding my breath to see which one happens first). I'm not considering swapping the FR-S, but down the line I'll need a good auto to go in something else that will get a shiny, new engine. I'd prefer an auto that operates just like the FR-S flappy paddle, but all the research I've done thus far makes it look like nothing operates quite the same way.


Good luck! Your success benefits me. Sorry I can't actually answer the question.

see the problem with most of these threads and why they become flame wars is that the OP's are never knowledgeable guys with experience and an established plan coming in and sharing their project with us. It's always the hey guys I heard there was a swap kit so if they made a ls1 kit they surely make one for every other engine right? also since it's a kit it will cost only the price of the kit and not anything else right? It's a kit so it's drop in no fab work required no?


If the people starting these threads had actually done some research and at least knew a bit about what they were planning to swap for, what their goals are, their budget, etc. As it stands they mostly are in the same category as I'm gonna put a CAI in my civic and gain 50hp crowd.


I mean before buying my brz I was considering a swap for my lexus is300, I had it down to 2 engines, had established most of the supporting/fabrication parts (was a 2 page list of parts with prices and where to buy them as well as some quotes from shops around my area for the work I couldn't do myself, was around 10k Canadian for parts and most of the labor if I shopped my parts around and wasn't pressed in time for my part fab) needed to complete the work as well as an estimate on labor costs and tons of info on the swap process.


If these guys had half of the info I mentioned above then these threads wouldn't turn into giant flame sessions

NOHOME 03-22-2016 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fumanchu1 (Post 2591231)
see the problem with most of these threads and why they become flame wars is that the OP's are never knowledgeable guys with experience and an established plan coming in and sharing their project with us. It's always the hey guys I heard there was a swap kit so if they made a ls1 kit they surely make one for every other engine right? also since it's a kit it will cost only the price of the kit and not anything else right? It's a kit so it's drop in no fab work required no?


If the people starting these threads had actually done some research and at least knew a bit about what they were planning to swap for, what their goals are, their budget, etc. As it stands they mostly are in the same category as I'm gonna put a CAI in my civic and gain 50hp crowd.


I mean before buying my brz I was considering a swap for my lexus is300, I had it down to 2 engines, had established most of the supporting/fabrication parts (was a 2 page list of parts with prices and where to buy them as well as some quotes from shops around my area for the work I couldn't do myself, was around 10k Canadian for parts and most of the labor if I shopped my parts around and wasn't pressed in time for my part fab) needed to complete the work as well as an estimate on labor costs and tons of info on the swap process.


If these guys had half of the info I mentioned above then these threads wouldn't turn into giant flame sessions

The short version of what you said:

If the OP has to ask if it can be done, the short answer is "Not by you, but feel free to prove me wrong"

Overall, the FRS looks like pretty fertile ground for most engine swaps if you really want to make them happen. Tape measures are relatively easy to figure out, and usually the best place to start when considering any swap.

The other thing I have learned is that I would not undertake any engine swap project with less than a $15,000 budget. That would be doing it myself.

JeRM 03-26-2016 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fumanchu1 (Post 2591231)
see the problem with most of these threads and why they become flame wars is that the OP's are never knowledgeable guys with experience and an established plan coming in and sharing their project with us. It's always the hey guys I heard there was a swap kit so if they made a ls1 kit they surely make one for every other engine right? also since it's a kit it will cost only the price of the kit and not anything else right? It's a kit so it's drop in no fab work required no?


If the people starting these threads had actually done some research and at least knew a bit about what they were planning to swap for, what their goals are, their budget, etc. As it stands they mostly are in the same category as I'm gonna put a CAI in my civic and gain 50hp crowd.


I mean before buying my brz I was considering a swap for my lexus is300, I had it down to 2 engines, had established most of the supporting/fabrication parts (was a 2 page list of parts with prices and where to buy them as well as some quotes from shops around my area for the work I couldn't do myself, was around 10k Canadian for parts and most of the labor if I shopped my parts around and wasn't pressed in time for my part fab) needed to complete the work as well as an estimate on labor costs and tons of info on the swap process.


If these guys had half of the info I mentioned above then these threads wouldn't turn into giant flame sessions

Thanks for your OPINIONS, but save it for Dr. Phil.


Appreciate the responses from those who contributed. If you referred to the link the company and kit are aimed at brz/frs drivers, and also include the pricing.


Base package - 3750
Complete - 8000
In house installation - 5000


Enough with the lectures and sounding like hipocrits. Come to my thread and lecture me like I'm clueless, yet you don't even refer to my link to see the pricing!


I have my car, I have my engine with high mileage, I have financial stability to afford the swap. All I wanted to see is if there was better information on automatic swaps. Good lord!


P.S.
I prefer the LS1 kit over V6, I just didn't mind seeing if there was anything interesting done out there that may be several thousand cheaper.

fumanchu1 03-30-2016 02:36 PM

You don't even know what engine is in a Camaro and you want a swap that is the definition of unknowledgable and that says it all to me, but hey if you don't want to listen to warnings/reason from people who have done these kinds of projects and just want opinions to reinforce what you want to do already, then fine use the SEARCH function and find your info yourself .


K bye now

Summerwolf 03-30-2016 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeRM (Post 2598193)
Thanks for your OPINIONS, but save it for Dr. Phil.


Appreciate the responses from those who contributed. If you referred to the link the company and kit are aimed at brz/frs drivers, and also include the pricing.


Base package - 3750
Complete - 8000
In house installation - 5000


Enough with the lectures and sounding like hipocrits. Come to my thread and lecture me like I'm clueless, yet you don't even refer to my link to see the pricing!



Have you even looked in to the reputation of the company you linked and their overall products? Just curious.....

wutsaiu 03-30-2016 04:46 PM

$8000 for a kit? + $5000 for installation? + thousands for engine and transmission?

Just do it yourself.
Buy whatever tools/parts you need.
Learn whatever you have to.
You'll spend half as much money and have something built by your own hands to be proud of.

JeRM 03-31-2016 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fumanchu1 (Post 2603403)
You don't even know what engine is in a Camaro and you want a swap that is the definition of unknowledgable and that says it all to me, but hey if you don't want to listen to warnings/reason from people who have done these kinds of projects and just want opinions to reinforce what you want to do already, then fine use the SEARCH function and find your info yourself .


K bye now

Blow me.


LT1 and LS1. Big difference in names! Oh, want to feel a little better? It was a 1993 Camaro too, not a 1996. I screwed up the engine and year, I must be the most unknowledgable person you've ever met. Do me a favor and unsub my thread.


All these flavors and you choose to be salty. Flame on.

JeRM 03-31-2016 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 2603413)
Have you even looked in to the reputation of the company you linked and their overall products? Just curious.....

I have not bothered digging into the company reputation as of yet, because I've only skimmed the surface on this project. Without any knowledge of the company, I'd like to think they would be reputable seeing that they offer such a kit package.


To be honest I was raised hearing that lawyers and mechanics are the guys you can't trust. So, of course I'll be looking into any business I lean toward putting my money with.

fumanchu1 04-01-2016 11:23 AM

^In other words please cookie cutter feed me the info I need

JeRM 04-01-2016 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fumanchu1 (Post 2606518)
^In other words please cookie cutter feed me the info I need

I asked nothing about the feedback of the business I referred to. Please get out of my thread too. Jesus

Summerwolf 04-01-2016 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeRM (Post 2606000)
I have not bothered digging into the company reputation as of yet, because I've only skimmed the surface on this project. Without any knowledge of the company, I'd like to think they would be reputable seeing that they offer such a kit package.


To be honest I was raised hearing that lawyers and mechanics are the guys you can't trust. So, of course I'll be looking into any business I lean toward putting my money with.



Yeah....do some research.... especially on their current product / wiring harnesses and feedback.


Google is your friend.

Tcoat 04-01-2016 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeRM (Post 2578801)
Is there any info online regarding a swap for LS1 like this?
.


Yes. And many here told you it was a bad plan. You choose to get smart.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeRM (Post 2598193)
Thanks for your OPINIONS, but save it for Dr. Phil.



Enough with the lectures and sounding like hipocrits. Come to my thread and lecture me like I'm clueless, yet you don't even refer to my link to see the pricing!



.

You asked for opinions you got them. If they were not what you wanted to hear too bad.
Not sure you understand what hypocrite means. Nobody else here asked about a swap and then turned on the people that replied.




Oh and this is a public forum so this is not "your thread" and anybody that wishes may read and respond.

Summerwolf 04-01-2016 01:14 PM

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