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Stang70Fastback 03-06-2016 09:16 PM

Do you insure aftermarket parts?
 
Hey guys. So this is the first car I've owned where I'm putting some legitimately nice aftermarket parts on the car, and I'm starting to wonder what I should be doing from an insurance standpoint. I suppose most things, such as coilovers, can't be stolen, but they can be damaged in a collision. My wheels CAN be stolen, which is my biggest worry.

Do you guys have your aftermarket wheels covered by your insurance policy? Do you add other parts too? Or do you not, and just hope nothing bad happens? Not really sure what the best option is. GEICO already told me it would be an extra $10-15/mo to insure my wheels. I've also read that sometimes other mods such as coilovers, and other suspension components, can cause them to drop you entirely.

Jordan Silveira 03-06-2016 10:31 PM

Hey Stang,

First off I love your car! I wish I could get a Series Blue but I will probably have to settle with a HyperBlue. I actually am with Geico as well and own a 2013 Scion tC Release Series 8.0 where I put aftermarket wheels on, OEM Audio+ system, Spec D head and tail lights, amongst other things. Well long story short, I was T boned and my passenger door speakers were damaged along with both of my Five Axis SF7 wheels on that side and none of these were aftermarket parts were insured and Geico is replacing all of it no questions asked. Now I know this is a little different than what your asking since your speaking about theft but just figured I'd help where I could.

Stang70Fastback 03-06-2016 10:43 PM

Haha, thanks! Hyperblue is nice too! It's not like you won't put different wheels on anyway :P

That's interesting. I would think they would only replace stuff with OEM equipment, as technically that is what you are insured for. Or at least cut you a check for the value of the OEM equipment and leave you to make up the difference. Very interesting that they're covering all of your parts without any questions!

Jordan Silveira 03-06-2016 10:55 PM

Believe me I was surprised too. However they owe me as much with the trouble I have gone through with this accident. I really wouldn't wish GEICO upon my worst enemy in an accident. I am going to get rid of my tC as soon as I get it back in hopes of getting an 86!

Stang70Fastback 03-06-2016 10:56 PM

Hmm, I've had nothing but the best experience with GEICO, if I'm honest, lol.

aegisdrgn 03-06-2016 11:07 PM

when the accident is not your fault, the other insurance will cover your parts, no problem.

When the accident is your fault, is when your insurance will have issue with aftermarket parts if they aren't explicitly insured/declared to the insurance at the time of policy renewal.

spicyricecake 03-06-2016 11:08 PM

I just dropped ~2.5k on the set up as well even with the great deals I got, so I'm wondering the same thing.
But our series blue wheels (retail) is about 1700 at the dealership, so it's not like Geico wouldn't have to pay that much to buy our wheels back anyway.

Stang70Fastback 03-06-2016 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by aegisdrgn (Post 2571320)
when the accident is not your fault, the other insurance will cover your parts, no problem.

When the accident is your fault, is when your insurance will have issue with aftermarket parts if they aren't explicitly insured/declared to the insurance at the time of policy renewal.

So it sounds like if someone steals your wheels, you'll be SOA. Still, starting to sound like I shouldn't bother with it. If someone else hits me, everything is fine (which makes sense), and I just have to not be dumb enough to crash my own car, in which case I deserve to pay for new parts. And if my wheels get stolen, my car came with the STi wheels, so I'd imagine I'd get at least SOME decent value for them which would help offset the difference.

Rifle 03-06-2016 11:15 PM

Let a coworker drive, had about $12.5k in parts. Was able to save roughly $5k when I stripped it (which was illegal since if was still bank owned... Technically they owned it once the accident happened).. Non insured parts. Winded up losing about $7.5k in damaged parts and non recoverables.

Kostamojen 03-06-2016 11:29 PM

If you are concerned about insurance and getting your money back for your car, you SHOULD NOT be modifying it or buying aftermarket parts in the first place.

Stang70Fastback 03-06-2016 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kostamojen (Post 2571339)
If you are concerned about insurance and getting your money back for your car, you SHOULD NOT be modifying it or buying aftermarket parts in the first place.

I don't intend to get a cent back from this car. I intend to drive it into the ground. That doesn't mean I wouldn't like to protect my investment if it makes financial sense to do so. Otherwise I wouldn't have any insurance on the car at all aside from the minimum required by law...

Kostamojen 03-07-2016 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Stang70Fastback (Post 2571342)
Q: That doesn't mean I wouldn't like to protect my investment if it makes financial sense to do so.

A: I don't intend to get a cent back from this car. I intend to drive it into the ground.

You just answered your question right there.

Keep full coverage, drive it to the ground. If you wreck it and loose the aftermarket parts, it wont matter since you don't intend to get a cent back from this car because its not an investment in the first place its an expense.

Stang70Fastback 03-07-2016 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Kostamojen (Post 2571395)
You just answered your question right there.

Keep full coverage, drive it to the ground. If you wreck it and loose the aftermarket parts, it wont matter since you don't intend to get a cent back from this car because its not an investment in the first place its an expense.

I don't see the logic in your argument. Just because I don't expect to get the value back from the car when I'm done with it, doesn't mean I shouldn't bother insuring anything on the car if it's cheap/easy enough. Just because I don't expect to get a cent back from the car doesn't mean it won't matter if $3000 worth of wheels and tires are stolen...

jawn 03-07-2016 12:54 AM

On the topic of wheels, OEM replacements for regular wheels, tires, and TPMS are anywhere between $400-$600 per corner MSRP depending on what they pro-rate your tires to at the time of the theft.

Assuming a $500 dollar deductible, you'll still probably get cut a check for $1100-$1900 dollars. I guess it just depends on what risk you're comfortable with. Assuming they pay out for full-boat OEM replacements at MSRP, you can still get into a set of decent wheels and tires for very little out of pocket. If you're rocking Volks or something similarly spendy, I'd consider the increase in premium for aftermarket parts coverage, but if you're on Enkeis or something more mundane, it's probably not worthwhile.

Stang70Fastback 03-07-2016 01:11 AM

I'm on HRE FF15 18X9s with 255/35R18 Michelin PSS tires. I got the set at a good discount, but normally that wheel and tire combo would cost me around $3500 to buy offhand.

jawn 03-07-2016 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Stang70Fastback (Post 2571434)
I'm on HRE FF15 18X9s with 255/35R18 Michelin PSS tires. I got the set at a good discount, but normally that wheel and tire combo would cost me around $3500 to buy offhand.

Yeah, I dunno. Personal decision. I'd rather just keep saving money as per usual, and hope I won't have to use it. The longer you own your car (without having your wheels stolen), the less valuable the aftermarket parts insurance is. Assuming $10 per month, if you own your car for 5 years, you'd have paid $600 dollars towards something you won't ever get back.

If it helps you sleep at night, then I'd get it. $10 dollars per month isn't the end of the world. I'm not in a high-theft area and my Enkeis cost basically the same as the stockers do at MSRP, so I didn't bother.

Kostamojen 03-07-2016 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jawn (Post 2571419)
On the topic of wheels, OEM replacements for regular wheels, tires, and TPMS are anywhere between $400-$600 per corner MSRP depending on what they pro-rate your tires to at the time of the theft.

Assuming a $500 dollar deductible, you'll still probably get cut a check for $1100-$1900 dollars. I guess it just depends on what risk you're comfortable with. Assuming they pay out for full-boat OEM replacements at MSRP, you can still get into a set of decent wheels and tires for very little out of pocket. If you're rocking Volks or something similarly spendy, I'd consider the increase in premium for aftermarket parts coverage, but if you're on Enkeis or something more mundane, it's probably not worthwhile.

This. You get covered for the MSRP of the stock parts, which in turn you can use for aftermarket if you so choose. I've had it happen before.

extrashaky 03-07-2016 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kostamojen (Post 2571395)
You just answered your question right there.

Keep full coverage, drive it to the ground. If you wreck it and loose the aftermarket parts, it wont matter since you don't intend to get a cent back from this car because its not an investment in the first place its an expense.

That makes no sense whatsoever. Just because he doesn't intend to sell the car doesn't mean he shouldn't protect the value of it and its components if it makes financial sense to do so.

His scenario: Insurance is available for the parts. He buys it. Parts are damaged. Insurance pays to replace them.

Your scenario: He doesn't buy the insurance. Parts are damaged. He has to shell out his own money to replace them.

Your scenario just throws away money for no reason.

Tcoat 03-07-2016 09:34 AM

I checked with my insurance company and for about $5k in parts the premium increase would be about $20 a year. Pretty damn cheap piece of mind when/if I decide to add anything.

Ashikabi 03-07-2016 09:44 AM

I have been considering this too as my car is getting rather expensive. Does anyone know if you can add aftermarket parts to your policy under theft only? I'm not very concerned about breaking my own parts but if the car were stolen and not recovered or stripped then I'd be out quite a bit of money

Tcoat 03-07-2016 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashikabi (Post 2571591)
I have been considering this too as my car is getting rather expensive. Does anyone know if you can add aftermarket parts to your policy under theft only? I'm not very concerned about breaking my own parts but if the car were stolen and not recovered or stripped then I'd be out quite a bit of money

Depends on your company I would guess. I have the option of doing just comprehensive (theft, disaster, etc), collision (I hit somebody) or both. Nether one will pay if I do something like hit a pot hole and bend a rim or something like that though so you have to look closely at the conditions.

Stang70Fastback 03-07-2016 11:03 AM

Just got off the phone with GEICO. I'm a bit apprehensive to mention things like coilovers, because I've heard that once you start playing with suspension, it's possible that they freak out entirely and drop you (or maybe that's just a complete rumor.)

In any event, I now have $2500 worth of wheels covered and it added a whopping $2.16/mo to my payments. Definitely worth it since I live in Chicago, lol. Car is garage parked, but obviously gets street parked in some situations depending on who/where I am visiting.

Kostamojen 03-07-2016 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 2571565)

Your scenario just throws away money for no reason.

Welcome to car modifying 101

And like was stated, you are sti covered for the cost of the OEM original parts so its not like you won't get a significant chunk money if something is damaged or stolen.

Stang70Fastback 03-07-2016 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kostamojen (Post 2571708)
Welcome to car modifying 101

And like was stated, you are sti covered for the cost of the OEM original parts so its not like you won't get a significant chunk money if something is damaged or stolen.

You still aren't making sense. If you look at my post just above yours, you'll see that it wound up costing me just a little over $2.13 a month to insure my $2500 wheels. In what world does that not make sense to do?

pinski 03-07-2016 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Stang70Fastback (Post 2571723)
You still aren't making sense. If you look at my post just above yours, you'll see that it wound up costing me just a little over $2.13 a month to insure my $2500 wheels. In what world does that not make sense to do?

I think you made the right call - the decision is basically whether or not you want to cover something out of pocket if you lose it, aka basic risk mitigation. Since you have very nice and expensive wheels on your car, I would've made the same call, given how little it was to add them to your premium.

For me, I've got a set of used Forgestars. I doubt anybody would try to steal them, especially since I live in an area where that sort of thing is pretty rare, so for me personally it doesn't make sense (not as high a risk and much lower replacement cost).

As another Geico subscriber, did you end up broaching the coilover subject with them? Interested minds want to know, lol. :)

Ashikabi 03-07-2016 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pinski (Post 2571754)
I think you made the right call - the decision is basically whether or not you want to cover something out of pocket if you lose it, aka basic risk mitigation. Since you have very nice and expensive wheels on your car, I would've made the same call, given how little it was to add them to your premium.

For me, I've got a set of used Forgestars. I doubt anybody would try to steal them, especially since I live in an area where that sort of thing is pretty rare, so for me personally it doesn't make sense (not as high a risk and much lower replacement cost).

As another Geico subscriber, did you end up broaching the coilover subject with them? Interested minds want to know, lol. :)

I'm also interested in the coils

jawn 03-07-2016 12:35 PM

Do you guys even know what it costs to replace the OEM shocks and struts? It's like $1500 dollars including the top hats.

Stang70Fastback 03-07-2016 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinski (Post 2571754)
As another Geico subscriber, did you end up broaching the coilover subject with them? Interested minds want to know, lol. :)

Haha, no. I was afraid it would raise a red flag, lol. I figure nobody is going to steal them. If someone else hits me, they'll be replaced (according to a post earlier in this thread.) If I cause an accident of any sort, I'll eat the difference. Besides, if I ever have to replace more than one or two after an at fault accident, I've probably got bigger problems to worry about, lol.

Ashikabi 03-07-2016 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jawn (Post 2571761)
Do you guys even know what it costs to replace the OEM shocks and struts? It's like $1500 dollars including the top hats.

I did not know. But that is a substantial quantity. Probably worth it to not mention coils then

Bowen 03-07-2016 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stang70Fastback (Post 2571631)

In any event, I now have $2500 worth of wheels covered and it added a whopping $2.16/mo to my payments. Definitely worth it since I live in Chicago, lol. Car is garage parked, but obviously gets street parked in some situations depending on who/where I am visiting.

Just goes to show it never hurts to ask! I too think you made a good call.

As far as security purposes go, do you run locking lug nuts?

Stang70Fastback 03-07-2016 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jawn (Post 2571761)
Do you guys even know what it costs to replace the OEM shocks and struts? It's like $1500 dollars including the top hats.

Well in that case, it might not really be worth it anyway! Though the issue is one coilover is several hundred, whereas if an accident slightly bends one strut, a replacement of just that one part is pretty cheap.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowen (Post 2571766)
Just goes to show it never hurts to ask! I too think you made a good call.

As far as security purposes go, do you run locking lug nuts?

I bought a set of black McGuard spline drive nuts, which came with a set of locking nuts. It's something, I suppose.

On an unrelated note, kind of annoyed that the locking nuts don't come with the same free-spinning base as the regular ones, lol.

aegisdrgn 03-07-2016 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashikabi (Post 2571591)
I have been considering this too as my car is getting rather expensive. Does anyone know if you can add aftermarket parts to your policy under theft only? I'm not very concerned about breaking my own parts but if the car were stolen and not recovered or stripped then I'd be out quite a bit of money

Theft is covered under the comprehensive policy, not the collision/liability policy. If you don't already have comprehensive then prepare for a big rate increase.

Ashikabi 03-07-2016 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aegisdrgn (Post 2571860)
Theft is covered under the comprehensive policy, not the collision/liability policy. If you don't already have comprehensive then prepare for a big rate increase.

I do have comprehensive, didn't know if you could add parts just to that

Kostamojen 03-07-2016 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stang70Fastback (Post 2571723)
You still aren't making sense. If you look at my post just above yours, you'll see that it wound up costing me just a little over $2.13 a month to insure my $2500 wheels. In what world does that not make sense to do?

You are paying twice to insure your wheels is the problem. If you want to just give money to insurance companies thats your prerogative.

You also might want to check that insurace to see if it even covers curb damage or pothole damage.

Stang70Fastback 03-07-2016 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kostamojen (Post 2571933)
You are paying twice to insure your wheels is the problem. If you want to just give money to insurance companies thats your prerogative.

You also might want to check that insurace to see if it even covers curb damage or pothole damage.

I'm not paying twice. I'm paying a VERY small premium to account for the fact that replacing one of those wheels will cost more than replacing the factory wheels. Potholes, they are covered under your collision policy. I'm currently paying $370.50/6 months for collision. I'm now adding $13 to that total. That is most definitely not "paying twice."

extrashaky 03-07-2016 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kostamojen (Post 2571708)
Welcome to car modifying 101

No, that has nothing to do with modding. There are some risks you accept. You have to accept that you don't get your money back out of mods when you sell the car. You have to accept that if you modify your car outside of design limits, it might break. That's modding 101.

You don't have to just accept that someone can steal your rims or ram your car on the street when you can buy insurance to hedge against that risk.

Insurance has nothing to do with modding. Insurance has to do with managing risk. There's a risk that someone may run a red light and smash your car, so you get uninsured motorist insurance to hedge against that risk. There's a risk your house could burn down, so you get homeowner's insurance to hedge against the financial loss off all your belongings. You have a risk of having to pay for medical coverage if you get sick or injured, so you purchase health insurance to hedge against the risk of going broke from medical bills.

You're arguing against hedging against a financial risk to your mods because you don't expect to get anything back from them. Taken to its logical conclusion, your argument means that if we're all gonna die anyway, there's no point in buying health insurance. If you get sick, you might as well just go on and die.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kostamojen (Post 2571933)
You are paying twice to insure your wheels is the problem.

You really have no idea how insurance actually works.

Ashikabi 03-07-2016 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 2572088)
No, that has nothing to do with modding. There are some risks you accept. You have to accept that you don't get your money back out of mods when you sell the car. You have to accept that if you modify your car outside of design limits, it might break. That's modding 101.

You don't have to just accept that someone can steal your rims or ram your car on the street when you can buy insurance to hedge against that risk.

Insurance has nothing to do with modding. Insurance has to do with managing risk. There's a risk that someone may run a red light and smash your car, so you get uninsured motorist insurance to hedge against that risk. There's a risk your house could burn down, so you get homeowner's insurance to hedge against the financial loss off all your belongings. You have a risk of having to pay for medical coverage if you get sick or injured, so you purchase health insurance to hedge against the risk of going broke from medical bills.

You're arguing against hedging against a financial risk to your mods because you don't expect to get anything back from them. Taken to its logical conclusion, your argument means that if we're all gonna die anyway, there's no point in buying health insurance. If you get sick, you might as well just go on and die.



You really have no idea how insurance actually works.

I suspect kosta thought where it said "pay twice" it meant "pay double" as opposed to being charged more than once

Stang70Fastback 03-07-2016 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashikabi (Post 2572102)
I suspect kosta thought where it said "pay twice" it meant "pay double" as opposed to being charged more than once

I think we all understood what he meant, but it still isn't correct. I'm not paying double, or twice, or whatever else you want to call it. I'm paying a TINY bit more to account for the fact that my car is now WORTH a little bit more. Why this counts as double paying, I have no idea...

Ashikabi 03-07-2016 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stang70Fastback (Post 2572108)
I think we all understood what he meant, but it still isn't correct. I'm not paying double, or twice, or whatever else you want to call it. I'm paying a TINY bit more to account for the fact that my car is now WORTH a little bit more. Why this counts as double paying, I have no idea...

I suppose any cost you incur street the original purchase is paying twice, it's just the second time it's a miniscule quantity comparatively

spicyricecake 03-07-2016 04:47 PM

shit I'll pay an extra 3 bucks every month (36 bucks yearly) to insure my 2200 wheels + 900 dollar tires (after installation, tpms, etc) in the case that some shit hole hits my car. Granted, the STI wheels would be quoted at 1700 just for the wheels if going through the dealership directly, that's still 500 bucks less than what my wheels are worth.
in 5 years that'd be $180, which is 8% of what I paid for the wheels alone.

I don't know about you, but that sounds worth it to me for the peace of mind.


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