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VerusEric 02-15-2016 12:49 AM

Front Splitter Endplates - Verus Engineering
 
We wanted to add another part to our line-up that adds front end down force. We wanted something that no one else had made yet, something effective, and something a bit sexy :cheers:. Below is what we designed, the predicted performance of the unit, and a few photos of the parts on the shop car. These were designed to go on our front splitter, but may be able to install on other units as well.

Front Splitter Thread

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/b...d1d8dbeaca.jpg

Design:
The front splitter endplates were designed to increase front end downforce of the vehicle for improved performance at high rates of speed. By creating a high pressure pocket of air above the splitter and in front of the front wheels, we are able to increase front end downforce. By reducing the airflow that hits the wheel head on, we also reduce the airflow into the wheel well and thus lift generated in the wheel well.

Like all of our analysis before, each analysis was done using a half-car analysis since no yaw testing was completed. This is done using symmetry down the centerline of the car. Significantly less computational processing power is necessary when using a half-car model and was the reason behind this analysis approach. The meshing of the car is done using first a surface mesh and then volume mesh. To find a suitable mesh size for the analysis, a grid convergence study was done. A volume mesh count of 10 million cells was considered within the room of accuracy using mesh sensitivity analysis.

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/b...5d0a10fc79.png
Fig 1: Vehicle in CFD software

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/b...e5e332a796.png
Fig 2. Vector Plot of Front Splitter Winglet

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/b...47c926a05b.png
Fig. 3: Streamline Plot of Front Splitter Winglet Test

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/b...680e58f10e.png
Fig. 4: Scalar Plot of Front Splitter Winglet CFD Analysis

Numerical Data:
The front splitter endplates increase downforce and drag according to our CFD analysis. The additional front downforce comes with a penalty of increased drag, however the l/d (lift over drag ratio) for this component is favorable. To put in another way, the amount of down force this part produces is significant compared to the amount of drag increase.

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/b...fd708c7b6c.png

Conclusion:
With a bit of math, at a mere 100 MPH, these two pieces add an expected 40 lbs of down force to the car. These can be used to help balance out a rear wing or allow the end user to run a bit more wing angle for faster times.

As we have said before, real world benefits may differ as this is a computational analysis. Something as simple as ride height or wheel choice can vary results, as well as various other aspects. Real world results could be better or worse than what is shown above. Keep in mind we did NOT vary any of these aspects and kept it a very simple A to B comparison with the results outlined above.

Photos:
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...ps0gyphzrd.jpg
Testing 3D prototypes. I used these 3D printed plastic units for about 2000 miles without issue, carbon fiber should be plenty strong.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...psyyxf8swu.jpg
Prototypes to production. Molds were created from a thicker 3D print we created as a plug.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1506/...afc86e4d_h.jpg
Multiple photos of the carbon unit installed on the shop car.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1645/...f9e88a2f_b.jpg
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1668/...b8e211a2_b.jpg

We will have more photos soon with nicer wheels :thumbsup:.

These will be available shortly and we will post when FT-86 SpeedFactory and our other vendors place these on their websites.
-http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/ft-86sf-velox-front-splitter-dry-carbon-fiber-endplates-2013-ft86.html#.Vse3_fkrJhF

Updated photos:
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...ps5yuk3fhx.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...psqegbzhpt.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...psr8q5hm5m.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...psr8r93if7.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1578/...04992a13_b.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1672/...ee934b7b4e.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1549/...1023e627_z.jpg

8R6 02-15-2016 01:58 PM

ahhhhh so thats what this piece is! i saw it on ig, but just thought it was a piece stuck on the sides of a splitter. i was actually going to make one of my own, but more similar in design like the ones found on the ATS-V and vette and other GM cars.

continuecrushing 02-15-2016 04:03 PM

woohoo! The parts list keeps growing! Awesome!

ja1217 02-16-2016 12:07 PM

Do you think these in combination with the race splitter would be enough to balance out a wing like the APR GT-250?

There are the numbers that APR advertises for the wing:

http://aprperformance.com/wp-content...250_cfd_01.png

I had been leaning towards running a 5 inch splitter instead of the Velox unit as I didn't think 3 inches would be enough but these end plates may change that and I like that they also function as mini fender flares for larger tires.

VerusEric 02-16-2016 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ja1217 (Post 2549686)
Do you think these in combination with the race splitter would be enough to balance out a wing like the APR GT-250?

There are the numbers that APR advertises for the wing:

http://aprperformance.com/wp-content...250_cfd_01.png

I had been leaning towards running a 5 inch splitter instead of the Velox unit as I didn't think 3 inches would be enough but these end plates may change that and I like that they also function as mini fender flares for larger tires.

That will depend on what AOA you plan on running. Yes, these will help balance out a rear wing :thumbsup:.

philooo 02-16-2016 09:58 PM

The real question to ask is ... When is Velox will be selling their last piece of the puzzle ;) ? A Velox wing that match the splitter with endplate ?

quinceyc 02-18-2016 09:25 PM

Quick question. How are the aero balance (F/R)of splitter and diffuser on this thread is different from the aero balance posting on the diffuser thread?

VerusEric 02-18-2016 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quinceyc (Post 2553467)
Quick question. How are the aero balance (F/R)of splitter and diffuser on this thread is different from the aero balance posting on the diffuser thread?

Looks like we accidentally flip flopped front and rear on one of the data sets, I will look over our documents and correct whichever one is in error.

A close up picture with nicer wheels. Will get more as I have free time to take more pictures.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...psugspetig.jpg

VerusEric 02-19-2016 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quinceyc (Post 2553467)
Quick question. How are the aero balance (F/R)of splitter and diffuser on this thread is different from the aero balance posting on the diffuser thread?

Looks like I swapped front to rear balance from the diffuser data in the diffuser thread. Will get with FT86 SpeedFactory and correct this, thanks for catching it.

Units are now on the website: http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/ft-8...l#.Vse3_fkrJhF

Few more photos as of recent.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...ps5yuk3fhx.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...psqegbzhpt.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...psr8q5hm5m.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...psr8r93if7.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...psrhr1jmka.jpg

Kwaziekeller 02-25-2016 10:44 PM

Loving mine... and the wheel deflectors. Ready for warmer overnight lows so I can put my RPF1's and Direzza ZII's back on! Lots of front end grip even on my "winter" Continental DWS.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...222_165715.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...222_165639.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...222_165651.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...222_161325.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...2_171908_1.jpg

cdrazic93 02-26-2016 12:42 AM

jesus Eric, you just keep pumpin em out dontcha?! lol

cdrazic93 02-26-2016 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philooo (Post 2550596)
The real question to ask is ... When is Velox will be selling their last piece of the puzzle ;) ? A Velox wing that match the splitter with endplate ?

Im guessing finned skirts. Or underplate.

VerusEric 02-26-2016 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdrazic93 (Post 2560620)
jesus Eric, you just keep pumpin em out dontcha?! lol

Doing our best. No longer a part time gig, this is my life now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdrazic93 (Post 2560622)
Im guessing finned skirts. Or underplate.

We have both in the works along with other aero development items. Time is hard to come by but more updates to come on all of it soon-ish.

:cheers:

philooo 02-26-2016 05:02 PM

I am very curious to see about the advantage of side skirts, but I would assume undercarriage would beat it easily ;)

Personally I vote for a VELOX X-WING ;)

ATL BRZ 03-01-2016 01:51 AM

My end plates came in today!

http://i.imgur.com/B7QS1WV.jpg

Installation was a breeze and I took her out for some photos afterwards.

http://i.imgur.com/vc5LRnF.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/0zVBZLb.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WRPIqFp.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/a4gamat.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pLxqm4S.jpg

johan 03-01-2016 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ (Post 2564517)
My end plates came in today!

Installation was a breeze and I took her out for some photos afterwards.

Epic! Love it! thanks for the great pix. :bow:

VerusEric 03-19-2016 03:21 PM

Few more photos from locals and others who sent in pictures:

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1611/...da4a94ec_b.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1718/...ba1ef952_b.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1605/...332e443d_b.jpg

Kwaziekeller 04-02-2016 03:39 AM

I finally have a pic with my summers on... but it was right after a rain storm and the car is DIRTY... the dirt makes the endplates stand out more tho lol. I need to wash her and get some nice pics in a scenic spot!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...401_050806.jpg

cocoy_labuyo 04-13-2016 06:31 PM

Do you guys know if this can be installed over an STI lip?

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VerusEric 04-13-2016 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cocoy_labuyo (Post 2621033)
Do you guys know if this can be installed over an STI lip?

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Potentially, personally know of one guy making it work with his *plastic lip of your choice* style splitter. It requires some custom fabrication but he states it made a noticeable difference in front end stability.

cocoy_labuyo 04-13-2016 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeloxEric (Post 2621041)
Potentially, personally know of one guy making it work with his *plastic lip of your choice* style splitter. It requires some custom fabrication but he states it made a noticeable difference in front end stability.

Oh nice. I'll most likely do the same. Thanks!! Time
to purchase mine then

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VerusEric 04-27-2016 03:09 AM

Neat photo mash-up our web-developer did on his own car with our CFD picture.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1578/...04992a13_b.jpg

Are there any other components you'd like to see us produce from dry pre-preg carbon as well? Let us know!

Ashikabi 04-27-2016 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeloxEric (Post 2634918)
Neat photo mash-up our web-developer did on his own car with our CFD picture.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1578/...04992a13_b.jpg

Are there any other components you'd like to see us produce from dry pre-preg carbon as well? Let us know!

Functional canards.

IceFyre13th 04-27-2016 05:13 PM

Rear spoiler that can replace my Scion boomerang.....

Scuba86 04-27-2016 07:39 PM

Side skirts?

VerusEric 04-27-2016 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashikabi (Post 2635033)
Functional canards.

Work in progress, likely 4 months out though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IceFyre13th (Post 2635628)
Rear spoiler that can replace my Scion boomerang.....

Boomerang?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scuba86 (Post 2635865)
Side skirts?

3rd set of prototypes are due in shortly, these should be production ready in the coming weeks.

Ashikabi 04-27-2016 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeloxEric (Post 2635886)
Work in progress, likely 4 months out though.



Boomerang?



3rd set of prototypes are due in shortly, these should be production ready in the coming weeks.

So by the time I can afford the splitter I'll have another couple grand of parts to buy... great... gonna need some kind of chart showing the functionality of the canards... maybe wind tunnel and track testing, and a deposition by at least one senator that they do function... Just to piss off the haters

VerusEric 04-28-2016 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashikabi (Post 2635890)
So by the time I can afford the splitter I'll have another couple grand of parts to buy... great... gonna need some kind of chart showing the functionality of the canards... maybe wind tunnel and track testing, and a deposition by at least one senator that they do function... Just to piss off the haters

We know they work, the real question is how much do they actually do? We're quite excited to undertake this project because we honestly want to learn more! There is not A LOT of data on dive planes and we hope to learn a bit by trying a few different shapes, angles, etc.

Not many people know this but one of the primary function of a dive plane is to help seal the side of the car with vortices, not actual front end downforce, though they generally produce downforce as well :thumbsup:.

We'll work on having all forms of functionality legality checked off as well :party0030: :party0030: .

IceFyre13th 04-28-2016 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeloxEric (Post 2635886)
Boomerang?

Boomerang = Factory Scion spoiler......could also be called a bat'leth.....if your a star trek fan.

I would like something like this. http://www.ebay.com/itm/LRB-Speed-MA...9We2lZ&vxp=mtr

Mounting would cover the holes made by the factory spoiler, adjustment rods connected to a license plate frame mount.....made out of aluminum........just an idea

VerusEric 06-30-2016 08:09 PM

We made a slight revision to the end plates by adding our logo to the sides of them. These were out of stock for a few weeks but we now have plenty more back in stock!

http://67.media.tumblr.com/399661dd3...cvho1_1280.jpg

http://67.media.tumblr.com/996532d92...cvho1_1280.jpg

Any questions, let us know.

Eric

Ashikabi 06-30-2016 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeloxEric (Post 2693961)
We made a slight revision to the end plates by adding our logo to the sides of them. These were out of stock for a few weeks but we now have plenty more back in stock!

http://67.media.tumblr.com/399661dd3...cvho1_1280.jpg

http://67.media.tumblr.com/996532d92...cvho1_1280.jpg

Any questions, let us know.

Eric

I just ordered a splitter and plates from ft86 on Sunday. I haven't received shipping notification yet. Will my end plate thingies have the logo?

VerusEric 06-30-2016 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashikabi (Post 2693964)
I just ordered a splitter and plates from ft86 on Sunday. I haven't received shipping notification yet. Will my end plate thingies have the logo?

I believe so. We're back ordered on splitters right now, I have another order of splitters shipping out today to FT86SpeedFactory so I would expect them to start shipping mid next week.

Thanks,
Eric

Ashikabi 06-30-2016 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeloxEric (Post 2693967)
I believe so. We're back ordered on splitters right now, I have another order of splitters shipping out today to FT86SpeedFactory so I would expect them to start shipping mid next week.

Thanks,
Eric

Thanks boss

Ashikabi 07-11-2016 11:42 AM

So where are we at on that Velox GT Wing?

Takumi788 07-11-2016 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashikabi (Post 2701846)
So where are we at on that Velox GT Wing?

Please tell me this is happening and not a sick joke. I am in the market for a gt wing and this comment has made me throw out all other wing options. Will not buy a wing till this comment is confirmed true or false. lol.

Ashikabi 07-11-2016 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Takumi788 (Post 2701875)
Please tell me this is happening and not a sick joke. I am in the market for a gt wing and this comment has made me throw out all other wing options. Will not buy a wing till this comment is confirmed true or false. lol.

It was hinted at in another thread. I'm looking at selling my Rocket Bunny wing for Voltex but Velox would certainly be an option. If Eric made it mount like the RB wing I'd love him forever ;) ;)

Takumi788 07-11-2016 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashikabi (Post 2701885)
It was hinted at in another thread. I'm looking at selling my Rocket Bunny wing for Voltex but Velox would certainly be an option. If Eric made it mount like the RB wing I'd love him forever ;) ;)

I was just about to pull the trigger on a Voltex 1s within this week until I saw your comment.

Ashikabi 07-11-2016 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Takumi788 (Post 2701897)
I was just about to pull the trigger on a Voltex 1s within this week until I saw your comment.

Eric should be along shortly but I doubt he will confirm anything other than "they are looking into it". If you want it this year you should probably just get the Voltex and save the packaging so you can sell it later. Shouldn't take much of a hit on a Voltex wing

VerusEric 07-11-2016 01:38 PM

We've been developing a rear wing since the beginning of the year, we're trying to have first articles ready by the end of the year. It's our own design/profile, should be interesting. To say we have a lot of free time right now would be an absolute lie so if you're interested in a wing in the near future, I would, by all means, *not wait for ours*.

We do have a goal of offering a universal wing to compete against Voltex and APR units though, because who doesn't love an underdog?!?!? Learning a lot and should be neat when all is said and done.

Thanks,
Eric

G-awesome 07-11-2016 07:03 PM

man....how much products are you guys developing atm? I heard of a few but it seems like the list keeps growing! Now I wish I didn't get the sard cf wing yet...I may sell it in the future then. :D


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