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switchlanez 02-11-2016 11:26 PM

$56k LS3 Rocket Bunny Package
 
http://www.speedhunters.com/2016/02/...ls-ballsy-brz/

Key things:

"This Rocket Bunny-kitted BRZ will soon be homologated as a Brill Steel complete car, meaning it will eventually be available for purchase throughout the whole of Europe and the world."

"Enrico wanted to inject some serious fun into the compact chassis, and that called for removal of the original 2.0-litre flat-4. Its replacement, a tuned GM 6.2-liter LS3. The idea here was to keep everything as stock as possible, therefore maintaining factory-like street car reliability. This means that all creature comforts are retained, from the A/C to ABS, to a stock and fully-equipped cabin. The only thing is, the car now boasts a V8 soundtrack."

"Drive is sent via a twin-plate clutch to a T56 Tremec transmission and onto an R32 GT-R rear end via a custom prop shaft. Seeing as the car now develops close to triple the stock power, Brill Steel will also throw on Brembo/STI brakes front and rear to help cope with the newfound performance. Oh, and in case you are wondering about weight, the LS3 and transmission combo only weighs 20kg more than the stock ensemble, and actually shifts that weight further back in the chassis for a nice, balanced feel."

"Prices have yet to be announced, but Enrico thinks the complete car will probably sell for around the €50,000 (US$56,000) mark."

"The BRZ runs Bilstein adjustable dampers at each corner and a choice of wheels depending on what the client wants. Valenti taillights and Miura’s signature ducktail spoiler finish off what is one hell of a package."

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cdq85 02-11-2016 11:32 PM

Not really a huge fan of the wide body kits but if that price is true for everything (motor, tranny, brakes suspension, body kit, etc) , its not too bad at all.

Fang 02-11-2016 11:47 PM

i agree, the price isn't bad considering the mods

zooki 02-12-2016 12:25 AM

Are those wide body kits reversible? Can you just unscrew everything and go back to the stock look? Or are the fenders ruined?

swarb 02-12-2016 12:27 AM

"Prices have yet to be announced, but Enrico thinks the complete car will probably sell for around the €50,000 (US$56,000) mark."

Price has not been confirmed.

Seeing as the motor swap is 15-20k++ and the car around 25k I doubt the price will be anywhere near 50/56k.

Throwing a low number guesstimate out is a good way to build hype. It's not even finished. No intake/exhaust/brembos.

Cole 02-12-2016 12:33 AM

I'd be into it if the price was what they're quoting. But like @swarb said, it's quite optimistic.

Mr.ac 02-12-2016 02:14 AM

Would have been cheaper to buy a slightly older Z06.
Hell, even an SS Camero.

Just say'n.

Impureclient 02-12-2016 02:51 AM

^This. Even if this was near $56k, might as well and get a slightly used 2015 Stingray instead.

imaguitar 02-12-2016 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zooki (Post 2544917)
Are those wide body kits reversible? Can you just unscrew everything and go back to the stock look? Or are the fenders ruined?

I'm pretty sure you have to cut the fenders to do widebody kits.

humfrz 02-12-2016 04:44 AM

Yes, now that would be a fun machine to tool down to the feed store in ......:thumbsup:


humfrz

extrashaky 02-12-2016 05:53 AM

Neat car. Too bad the Rocket Ninny kit looks like it was raped by a Decepticon.

RichardsFRS 02-12-2016 07:24 AM

Beautiful, tranny and engine in that thing
I don't know much about GTRs so I can't speak for the rear end
I despise that crappy bolt on wide kit. It makes the car less
If they were going to go thru the trouble, why not just mold it in
I don't imagine they'll see a huge sales figure, so they would have time to do the body right. If they were selling 15 a month I can see, bolt it on and go but Everything about this car is right except that. It's a sleeper for sure and whoever buys this will have a ton of fun in it. For that price thought, I can have my Z06!

extrashaky 02-12-2016 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardsFRS (Post 2545097)
If they were going to go thru the trouble, why not just mold it in

It's for the posers, even though that isn't a poser car. That shitty Frankenstein look immediately identifies it visually as a Rocket Ninny kit. Molded in properly might make it look like it was just done by a skilled body man rather than actually bought from Rocket Ninny, which wouldn't carry the same street cred among the posers. They would rather have the name on the car rather than have it actually look good. This way the car will always be guaranteed to attract a bunch of other posers to surround the car and start masturbating each other.

Summerwolf 02-12-2016 08:26 AM

I would love it if it was 50K and stock bodied, lol.

raven1231 02-12-2016 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 2545099)
It's for the posers, even though that isn't a poser car. That shitty Frankenstein look immediately identifies it visually as a Rocket Ninny kit. Molded in properly might make it look like it was just done by a skilled body man rather than actually bought from Rocket Ninny, which wouldn't carry the same street cred among the posers. They would rather have the name on the car rather than have it actually look good. This way the car will always be guaranteed to attract a bunch of other posers to surround the car and start masturbating each other.

Now that's what I call a good time!

Tcoat 02-12-2016 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 2545099)
It's for the posers, even though that isn't a poser car. That shitty Frankenstein look immediately identifies it visually as a Rocket Ninny kit. Molded in properly might make it look like it was just done by a skilled body man rather than actually bought from Rocket Ninny, which wouldn't carry the same street cred among the posers. They would rather have the name on the car rather than have it actually look good. This way the car will always be guaranteed to attract a bunch of other posers to surround the car and start masturbating each other.

I agree 100% but as a point of clarification only, by the very definition you can not "masturbate" each other.

DarkSunrise 02-12-2016 09:51 AM

Considering that list of parts, the price is a bargain. Almost worth it for the LS3 engine swap alone if everything works as well as they claim. I even think the RB kit with ducktail spoiler looks good.

That said I personally would not take it over a similarly-priced C7 Vette, but if someone was looking for something lighter, smaller and more unique, I could see this being a great alternative.

Cole 02-12-2016 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardsFRS (Post 2545097)
Beautiful, tranny and engine in that thing
I don't know much about GTRs so I can't speak for the rear end
I despise that crappy bolt on wide kit. It makes the car less
If they were going to go thru the trouble, why not just mold it in
I don't imagine they'll see a huge sales figure, so they would have time to do the body right. If they were selling 15 a month I can see, bolt it on and go but Everything about this car is right except that. It's a sleeper for sure and whoever buys this will have a ton of fun in it. For that price thought, I can have my Z06!

A sleeper, you say? With a wide body kit, huge wheels, lowered, a nasty V8 burble coming from the exhaust? I didn't realize all those tell-tale mods stil equaled sleeper.

jegglz 02-12-2016 10:22 AM

cool idea, a turn key car with this much done do it i think is nice to have on the market.
This "rocket ninny" brigade is kinda sad to read though, does it really matter that much the parts exist? Sure the whole hoonigan and hard parkers can be a little annoying, but really easy to avoid....just do not go to there parking lot meet. Aero pieces in a general sense are kinda poser in general, does your 200whp frs actually need downforce? do you even regularly go to a track to utilize it? because otherwise there is not a big difference between that and a rocket bunny car. As for on this car it blatantly needs it, that much torque will still be realistically impossible to utilize, even with the wider rear tires.

Braces 02-12-2016 10:24 AM

Maybe Justin Beiber will buy it.

Tcoat 02-12-2016 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Braces (Post 2545175)
Maybe Justin Beiber will buy it.

And wrap it in chrome.

Nickosport 02-12-2016 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Impureclient (Post 2545008)
^This. Even if this was near $56k, might as well and get a slightly used 2015 Stingray instead.

If the execution on this is good it will outrun a stingray all day long. I like the stingray, but this would be much more fun. That said, If I had 56k to drop on a car it would probably be a used C63 AMG. Or maybe a pretty nice new Cayman, or a used 911. Either way, this car will be targeted at a niche market for sure.

NOHOME 02-12-2016 11:24 AM

My assumption is that for that price you supply the car, and it does not include the paint job.

Price-wise, that would put it in line for a comparable LS3 Miata conversion performed by Flying Miata.

olsonpg 02-12-2016 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 2545099)
It's for the posers, even though that isn't a poser car. That shitty Frankenstein look immediately identifies it visually as a Rocket Ninny kit. Molded in properly might make it look like it was just done by a skilled body man rather than actually bought from Rocket Ninny, which wouldn't carry the same street cred among the posers. They would rather have the name on the car rather than have it actually look good. This way the car will always be guaranteed to attract a bunch of other posers to surround the car and start masturbating each other.

Somebodies a little sensitive about Rb's over here. Did a Rb tease you as a little child or something.

Tcoat 02-12-2016 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olsonpg (Post 2545311)
Somebodies a little sensitive about Rb's over here. Did a Rb tease you as a little child or something.

Although he expressed it a little salty I get where he was coming from. I like the looks of a well done RB kit. But to ME well done includes filling the rivets and seam lines. Leaving them like that just screams "look at me I have a RB kit". It just doesn't seem complete for a $50+K car. Just my opinion please don't kill me.

olsonpg 02-12-2016 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2545348)
Although he expressed it a little salty I get where he was coming from. I like the looks of a well done RB kit. But to ME well done includes filling the rivets and seam lines. Leaving them like that just screams "look at me I have a RB kit". It just doesn't seem complete for a $50+K car. Just my opinion please don't kill me.

I would say because racecar... :iono:

Tcoat 02-12-2016 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olsonpg (Post 2545448)
I would say because racecar... :iono:

Actually on a real racecar then who cares about rivets and seams? The whole thing is that those probably would see little use as real racecars.

Clipdat 02-12-2016 01:14 PM

Great paint color!

strat61caster 02-12-2016 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cole (Post 2545169)
A sleeper, you say? With a wide body kit, huge wheels, lowered, a nasty V8 burble coming from the exhaust? I didn't realize all those tell-tale mods stil equaled sleeper.

To be fair lots of body-kitted, winged, loud rumbly 86's that aren't much faster (probably some slower) than stock.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOHOME (Post 2545241)
My assumption is that for that price you supply the car, and it does not include the paint job.

Price-wise, that would put it in line for a comparable LS3 Miata conversion performed by Flying Miata.

I sure hope not, but you might be right. I believe the one LS3 86 that's been on the market was asking somewhere around $46k:

Quote:

Prices have yet to be announced, but Enrico thinks the complete car will probably sell for around the €50,000 (US$56,000) mark.
Once they get the method down and mass produce the custom fabbed bits needed I imagine the two biggest costs of the build would be sourcing the chassis and motor, if the customer is fine with not using fresh off the boat components that could easily be done for under $30k, full RB is <$5k, wheels and tires to choice but can be done under $2k, Bilsteins are $1.6k, Brakes could be up to $4k I honestly don't know on that one but that basically leaves $10k for the custom fab, labor, electronics and profit.

If you're supplying the car then they've got an additional ~$30k for fab, labor, custom parts, and profit which seems way too expensive for an engine swap and some bolt ons as it's being advertised in the article. The Flyin' Miata V8 car supplies a new crate motor and a significant amount of chassis, suspension, and electronic modifications that are labor intensive. Here's their shopping list for the parts that doesn't include the new crate engine, ecu and transmission totaling ~$18k:

https://www.flyinmiata.com/V8/costsNC.php

Where Flyin Miata costs explode is seam welding the entire chassis, installing the wiring loom, new bushings all around, performance alignment, new fuel system install, dyno tuning, new insulation etc. Each of those things cost hundreds if not thousands easily eating up the remaining $20k of budget after factoring in the $12k for the engine/tranny/ecu combo.

Maybe the Brill guys plan on offering all those additional modifications, but right now it seems like an LS3 swap and some bolt-ons, which imo is feasible for the $25k-$35k they're charging if the car is included in the estimated $56k price.

8R6 02-12-2016 01:54 PM

basically a legitimate modern-day supra

drewbot 02-12-2016 02:00 PM

$50k and you don't even get the nicest sticky tires?

1/10 would not bang

/s

FR-Sky 02-12-2016 02:04 PM

I would get a 2jz instead =[

spitfire481 02-12-2016 02:06 PM

"all creature comforts are retained". car wont even run in the stage the pics are in. i never understood features of incomplete cars

Nessal 02-12-2016 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOHOME (Post 2545241)
My assumption is that for that price you supply the car, and it does not include the paint job.

Price-wise, that would put it in line for a comparable LS3 Miata conversion performed by Flying Miata.



If that was the case, then the price would be around 80k. That is MSRP for a new C7 Z06.

strat61caster 02-12-2016 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8R6 (Post 2545544)
basically a legitimate modern-day supra

I think you mean "Japanese Corvette".

MKIV Supra was a legitimate GT with comfy mannerisms, not a tin can with a big engine like this thing.

8R6 02-12-2016 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2545574)
I think you mean "Japanese Corvette".

MKIV Supra was a legitimate GT with comfy mannerisms, not a tin can with a big engine like this thing.

yeah i guess. i was trying to stay within the toyota family (besides the powertrain lol)

P86RAVES 02-12-2016 04:22 PM

I came in here ready to hate this and point out all the flaws.

I really like this.

Dadhawk 02-12-2016 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2545348)
Although he expressed it a little salty I get where he was coming from. I like the looks of a well done RB kit. But to ME well done includes filling the rivets and seam lines. Leaving them like that just screams "look at me I have a RB kit". It just doesn't seem complete for a $50+K car. Just my opinion please don't kill me.

That's pretty much where I am...love the color, love the drive train, and would actually love the aero if it didn't look like a stuck on piece of kit. The color (at least in the photos) comes very close to camouflaging the RB, probably the best I've seen, but not good enough.

Take all that off, put on some tires that fit in the standard body, I would be tempting particularly given that might trim as much as $10K off the price (how much is the RB kit installed by itself?)

Of course, you may need all that rubber to get the power down.

NOHOME 02-12-2016 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nessal (Post 2545567)
If that was the case, then the price would be around 80k. That is MSRP for a new C7 Z06.

And your point would be....?

FM has a line for their products and the same argument applies. You might be surprised to know that some people actually don't want a Corvette.

If I were put in a parking lot with a Vorshlag swapped FRS and a New Vette, and told to take one home, it would be the FRS even knowing that the Vette is a better car in many ways.

Then again, my car projects indicate that I am not a rational person.

ichitaka05 02-12-2016 07:18 PM

RS-R will be like "580hp? We beat ya!"
http://drivingline.prd.s3.amazonaws....-RSR-DN-03.jpg

^RS-R Coyote engine swap is a true sleeper car. Looks stock... til you hear it roar.

Back on topic, this article had a lot of contradiction like "The idea here was to keep everything as stock as possible" um... what part of RB kit was stock? or "Brill Steel will also throw on Brembo/STI brakes front and rear to help cope with the newfound performance." I hope just Brembo and not from STI, cuz they're reserved and not actually work for our cars.

There are several other things I would point out... I think, they did good job building that BRZ. Specially loving the color.


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