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warmwetness 01-23-2016 07:33 AM

Please help me save my baby!
 
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I bought a 2016 halo frs before the new year, with 1500 miles on it, i was in an accident. The car was hit on the front drivers side and spun out 180 degrees. The frame member on the front right crinkled. My questions are, after putting my car on a framerack and having it straightned... Is it still track worthy? Is it road worthy? Does anybody have track time with a "rebuilt"? Or is the structural integrity of my frs done? Can this damage be easily repaired? Any input would be very appreciated... Thank youAttachment 129733Attachment 129734Attachment 129735Attachment 129736

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warmwetness 01-23-2016 07:51 AM

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Elliryx 01-23-2016 08:17 AM

If you don't mind me asking. Are you at fault? If not, Go after the other guy insurance they should cover everything. But If you are at fault have your insurance fix it. I wish you good luck. The reason I asked is I was involved in a TBone accident but it wasn't my fault the other guy insurance paid for everything including after market add ons. I hope everything works out for you.

Ashikabi 01-23-2016 09:05 AM

They "should"be able to fix it 100% . Otherwise they wouldn't use the frame rack. But if you don't let insurance cover it, you might as well total it cuz you can't afford to fix it yourself

RichardsFRS 01-23-2016 10:24 AM

That's an expensive project you bought. Check out the journals, some one else in here bought a wreck and its gorgeous now. But they were a body person

mdm 01-23-2016 01:01 PM

OT: as a potential FR-S buyer and forum member for 2 weeks only, I am getting a bit uneasy, seeing so many "I just crashed" reports on the forum already.

Packofcrows 01-23-2016 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mdm (Post 2519530)
OT: as a potential FR-S buyer and forum member for 2 weeks only, I am getting a bit uneasy, seeing so many "I just crashed" reports on the forum already.

Just wait. Its snowing in many areas.

Ashikabi 01-23-2016 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mdm (Post 2519530)
OT: as a potential FR-S buyer and forum member for 2 weeks only, I am getting a bit uneasy, seeing so many "I just crashed" reports on the forum already.

People break their toys when they aren't careful. Drive it like your Corolla and you'll be just as safe. Drive it like a toy and you might wreck it too. But what's the point of a toy if you can't drive it?

pLaydEad86 01-23-2016 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashikabi (Post 2519538)
People break their toys when they aren't careful. Drive it like your Corolla and you'll be just as safe. Drive it like a toy and you might wreck it too. But what's the point of a toy if you can't drive it?

This^ but seriously be careful out there.

Ashikabi 01-23-2016 03:19 PM

Go get on a mustang forum, I'll bet there are plenty of people wrecking those too. Or really anything funner than an accord

weederr33 01-23-2016 03:26 PM

Game over, man. Game over.

Tcoat 01-23-2016 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mdm (Post 2519530)
OT: as a potential FR-S buyer and forum member for 2 weeks only, I am getting a bit uneasy, seeing so many "I just crashed" reports on the forum already.

Like the others said don't sweat it. For every one of those "I crashed" cars there are tens of thousands that didn't. People just don't post "drove today and didn't crash" so the numbers look skewed. Be willing to bet that these cars are not crashed any more often than anything else that is predominately driven by the demographic that normally buys these.

Ashikabi 01-23-2016 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2519628)
Like the others said don't sweat it. For every one of those "I crashed" cars there are tens of thousands that didn't. People just don't post "drove today and didn't crash" so the numbers look skewed. Be willing to bet that these cars are not crashed any more often than anything else that is predominately driven by the demographic that normally buys these.

i.e.: 70 year old Canadians

Tcoat 01-23-2016 03:40 PM

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i.e.: 70 year old Canadians


Not exactly the "normal" demographic but ya us too (still a ways from 70 but closer to that than 30 so I will give you that one)

Marco_86 01-23-2016 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mdm (Post 2519530)
OT: as a potential FR-S buyer and forum member for 2 weeks only, I am getting a bit uneasy, seeing so many "I just crashed" reports on the forum already.

If something like this is scaring you off you probably shouldn't buy the car though.

KR-S 01-23-2016 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mdm (Post 2519530)
OT: as a potential FR-S buyer and forum member for 2 weeks only, I am getting a bit uneasy, seeing so many "I just crashed" reports on the forum already.

As long as you use your right foot to brake, you should be fine. :D

Ashikabi 01-23-2016 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KR-S 86 (Post 2519651)
As long as you use your right foot to brake, you should be fine. :D

Rest in pepperinos.

PNW FRS 01-23-2016 04:08 PM

Reality check...
 
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Originally Posted by mdm (Post 2519530)
OT: as a potential FR-S buyer and forum member for 2 weeks only, I am getting a bit uneasy, seeing so many "I just crashed" reports on the forum already.

Just because the 86/BRZ/FR-S is a great "Driver's Car" doesn't mean everyone who buys one is a "driver." Know your rig... understand its (and your) limitations... and drive uber defensively (cuz people have a hard time "seeing" this car.... believe me!), and you've got a good chance of not becoming an Insurance Industry Statistic.

And in the interest of fairness and impartiality... the opinion above is not "86-specific" -- it applies to any car that puts a nice grin on your face when you take it out on the road...

Good luck with your buying decision.

mdm 01-23-2016 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KR-S 86 (Post 2519651)
As long as you use your right foot to brake, you should be fine. :D

:w00t:

KR-S 01-23-2016 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mdm (Post 2519681)
:w00t:

Glad you're being a good sport about it (hopefully) :)

warmwetness 01-23-2016 05:21 PM

To clear any misunderstanding.... I bought the car new, and recently crashed. I would just like to know if after a unibody has been "straightned" is it still strong and rigid enough to be tracked or in autox events? And if anybody has crashed their track car, straightened it, and its been ok? I ask because that was the original intent for the car. I wanted a dd that would see the track a few times a year.

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Tcoat 01-23-2016 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by warmwetness (Post 2519717)
To clear any misunderstanding.... I bought the car new, and recently crashed. I would just like to know if after a unibody has been "straightned" is it still strong and rigid enough to be tracked or in autox events? And if anybody has crashed their track car, straightened it, and its been ok? I ask because that was the original intent for the car. I wanted a dd that would see the track a few times a year.

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Yep it is. Many, many buy much worse damaged cars expressly to convert them to dedicated track. It will be as good as new. Some things such as paint will be better than new. No worries.

warmwetness 01-23-2016 05:46 PM

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Yep it is. Many, many buy much worse damaged cars expressly to convert them to dedicated track. It will be as good as new. Some things such as paint will be better than new. No worries.

Thank you ! Thats what i wanted to know. If after a chassis has been hit and bent, if they get fixed properly and still used in motorsports!! Thank you for answering that! Being a previous owner of an mr2, i have fallen inlove with light small cars. And the thought of just buying this one and not being able to use it to its potential was eating me alive. Here she is before the collision Attachment 129759 thank you everybody for the replies.


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Tcoat 01-23-2016 05:50 PM

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Thank you ! Thats what i wanted to know. If after a chassis has been hit and bent, if they get fixed properly and still used in motorsports!! Thank you for answering that! Being a previous owner of an mr2, i have fallen inlove with light small cars. And the thought of just buying this one and not being able to use it to its potential was eating me alive. Here she is before the collision Attachment 129759 thank you everybody for the replies.


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Really hard to tell from pics but from the looks of yours there likely isn't any significant structural damage (if any). The body took the impact and gave like it is supposed to in order to protect you. As nasty as body damage can appear that does not mean the structure is damaged.

humfrz 01-23-2016 05:51 PM

I figure you're car will fix up and be OK.

Nice driveway!


humfrz

Tcoat 01-23-2016 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 2519744)
I figure you're car will fix up and be OK.

Nice driveway!


humfrz

Not to sure about that angle though. Would think the car would slide off.
Oh wait...maybe that is what happened.

warmwetness 01-23-2016 06:41 PM

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There are two beams that extend into the engine bay.. In the pictures, the left side seemed to have bent a little bit (you can see the tiny crease) and thats why im concerned. The front part of the unibody was hit hard and the car spun out 180 degrees. So the unibody was damaged and the insurance company is going to put it on a frame rack... This is the picture of the crease Attachment 129760
Everything else seems ok. From what i see. The doors and trunk all line up and close perfect. But i know for a fact the beam that took the impact isnt straight anymore.. That being said... It should still be repaired properly right? It isnt impossible? Im just worried about my car being back to 100% and drive like it did before.... Any advice on frame/ unibody repair, bracing, or strengthening is welcome. Anybody with experience on this please chime in.

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Tcoat 01-23-2016 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by warmwetness (Post 2519798)
There are two beams that extend into the engine bay.. In the pictures, the left side seemed to have bent a little bit (you can see the tiny crease) and thats why im concerned. The front part of the unibody was hit hard and the car spun out 180 degrees. So the unibody was damaged and the insurance company is going to put it on a frame rack... This is the picture of the crease Attachment 129760
Everything else seems ok. From what i see. The doors and trunk all line up and close perfect. But i know for a fact the beam that took the impact isnt straight anymore.. That being said... It should still be repaired properly right? It isnt impossible? Im just worried about my car being back to 100% and drive like it did before.... Any advice on frame/ unibody repair, bracing, or strengthening is welcome. Anybody with experience on this please chime in.

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That is a concern level 0. They can fix that up and you will never know.

humfrz 01-23-2016 06:48 PM

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Not to sure about that angle though. Would think the car would slide off.
Oh wait...maybe that is what happened.

Here ya go @Tcoat ...... now, you can go work that kink out of your neck ..... :D

Yes, it's a slow day in Puyallup ........ ;)


humfrz

RichardsFRS 01-23-2016 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2519725)
Yep it is. Many, many buy much worse damaged cars expressly to convert them to dedicated track. It will be as good as new. Some things such as paint will be better than new. No worries.

If you ever had a car put on a rack it won't be good as new nor will it drive the same. I had one that was put on a rack and it never drove the same. But it will drive ok. I noticed lots of tire wear in that side and always felt like lt was running over small bumps. I'm sure you'll noticed drive difference. I thought you bought it that way

Also I'm surprised the insurance company would recommend the rack. The frame has been kinked and now lost its integrity of its design. Not really safe

Tcoat 01-23-2016 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RichardsFRS (Post 2519812)
If you ever had a car put on a rack it won't be good as new nor will it drive the same. I had one that was put on a rack and it never drove the same. But it will drive ok. I noticed lots of tire wear in that side and always felt like lt was running over small bumps. I'm sure you'll noticed drive difference. I thought you bought it that way


You had one that wasn't done right but that does not mean for one second that none are. More come off the rack perfect than not. You should have taken it back as unacceptable if you had those sort of issues.
The level of damage on the OP's car will not requires a straightening rack anyway.

warmwetness 01-23-2016 07:10 PM

Lmao these comments are hilarious. But thank you @Tcoat for assuring my car should be saved. Anyways my daughter and wife were both in the vehicle and im surprised how safe it felt. Any chance anybody could recommend a good collision repair facility in south florida?

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warmwetness 01-23-2016 07:12 PM

Or any advice on how i should go about choosing one?

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warmwetness 01-23-2016 07:19 PM

The insurance quoted me a "unibody pull" on the estimate, and i can see that nasty crease in the engine bay, on that left (drivers side) beam... For that damage it should go on a straightening rack right? I mean the beam clearly bent if it has a crease right? The car doesnt pull to the sides when i drove it after the collision. But i can see the bent beam in the bay. Does anybody have an idea as to what "unibody pull" could mean?

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Tcoat 01-23-2016 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by warmwetness (Post 2519825)
Or any advice on how i should go about choosing one?

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Find out who your insurance company recommends then use somebody else!Just ensure whoever does it will guarantee a colour match. The whites have been know to be very difficult to get right.

humfrz 01-23-2016 07:32 PM

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The insurance quoted me a "unibody pull" on the estimate, and i can see that nasty crease in the engine bay, on that left (drivers side) beam... For that damage it should go on a straightening rack right? I mean the beam clearly bent if it has a crease right? The car doesnt pull to the sides when i drove it after the collision. But i can see the bent beam in the bay. Does anybody have an idea as to what "unibody pull" could mean?

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A reference:

http://www.ehow.com/info_7933294_unibody-pull.html

Meet my friend ...... she can be very helpful ..... :D


humfrz

warmwetness 01-23-2016 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2519832)
Find out who your insurance company recommends then use somebody else!Just ensure whoever does it will guarantee a colour match. The whites have been know to be very difficult to get right.

I will try to find the best facility possible and request oem parts and the oem "halo" color... I work at a toyota dealer and know first hand what happens behind the scenes... Should i insist on a toyota facility? Or just a prestigious collision facility?

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Ashikabi 01-23-2016 07:37 PM

Colision specific

RichardsFRS 01-23-2016 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by warmwetness (Post 2519824)
Lmao these comments are hilarious. But thank you @Tcoat for assuring my car should be saved. Anyways my daughter and wife were both in the vehicle and im surprised how safe it felt. Any chance anybody could recommend a good collision repair facility in south florida?

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OK or you can keep reassuring yourself it'll be okay but think about, you were the one asking for reasurrance, I just gave you an opinion based on experience. He gave you what you wanted to hear. He sugarcoated I didnt

Ashikabi 01-23-2016 07:39 PM

I don't feel TCoat sugar coated anything. With current technology I'm confident they can repair it properly


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