Scion Sucks because We're All Cowards - Jalopnik
 

An interesting read over at Jalopnik, about one blogger's opinion how to make Scion relevant here in the US again. Thoughts?

http://jalopnik.com/scion-sucks-beca...ium=socialflow

The goal here would be to target the minivan not to families (who may buy it anyway) but to that coveted young buyer, and pitch it as a sort of mobile party/fun/debauchery room

So what is the potential North America market of young buyers who want to buy a (presumably second or third) vehicle to be used as a mobile party room? 50 people?

When reading this, keep in mind that Torch is the most beautifully insane contributor to Jalopnik. Some other examples of his work, which should rarely be taken seriously despite the high level of technical detail:

http://jalopnik.com/would-you-rather...dit-1752829659

http://jalopnik.com/quick-question-w...d-i-1752561013

http://jalopnik.com/we-can-make-supe...y-m-1751586596

I don't think they should have dropped the XB. They should have left the previous gen like it was, boxy, and roomy. The new discontinued one is neither of those things. I loved our XB but the one and only problem it had would have cost us more than the whole car was worth. I have no regrets buying another scion. I know a bigger entity stands behind it in the form of Toyota. However I woulda bought the FRS anyway even if it were a honda

I am aghast at his selection of cars for the Proposed Line-Up. Either I am seriously out of touch with what automobile enthusiast and young buyers want or he is.

The FJ cruiser could've been a good candidate for Scion, if it was scaled back to a Jeep renegade proportion... The Land cruiser, not so much

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The oG is freakin legit. But this article is all basically saying they need to bring semi quirky cars like the S-FR to the US

As for quirky cars, how is Nissan Juke doing sales-wise?

My dad's xB is parked outside. He'd drive it more, but it's a deathtrap in side impact. Daihatsu continued making a second gen of the car, the Materia, but it never came to America, and they softened the styling too much. It wouldn't have sold even if it came to the US. It went from lovably ugly to just ugly.

The FR-S is our second Scion. We've owned Scions continuously since 2004. Other than the FR-S, there's nothing there for us right now.

Pretty well from what I understand. I think the Cube is a flop, though.

:thumbdown:This has already happened once in automotive history. The late 70s early 80s saw the highly popular custom van market targeted at young people for just those reasons. The manufactures jumped all over that craze and started putting out all sorts of factory made "shaggin' waggin's". Some of those vans were spectacular and can bring in big bucks today (if you could find them).

OK. I guess I am too young to remember that and too old to imagine what "young buyers" would want today...

Hell vans were so hot they even made panel versions of the Pinto and Vega to try to grab part of that market.

It's clickbait, crazy ideas to generate ad revenue and comments.

I know exactly one guy with a van (coincidentally also an 86) born in the last three decades, I don't think you're out of touch, as noted above Torch (the author) is a fringe guy.

Although my latest crazy fantasy is a quick 80's luxury sedan so the proposed OG would get at least a test drive out of me... But that's mostly because I can't afford quick little Euro 60-70's sedans and the 90's got to bloated.

This extended into the 80's and 90's as well. I was reminded this time this past weekend when driving down I-75 in Florida. One of the buildings was the Mark III factory where a lot of those custom vans were built. Place was all boarded up. Very sad...

The real true vans were the 70's version though. Mostly "home grown" with great airbrushing on the sides, and shag carpet in every crevice. Oh those were the days!

The things I would do for a Torchinsky-special Scion oG.

I actually like the Toyota Alphard and Vellfire and want either of them (if not both, preferably the Vellfire) to be brought here to the states. I don't think they should be under the Scion badge though; I really doubt a youth looking for a Scion wants a minivan. :iono:

scion should be killed, the people that buy scion are actually older than the people that buy toyota's. It was a dumb idea because toyota wanted to play at the you are too stupid to negotiate pricing model.

I think AIDS killed the shag waggon idea. If this van's a rockin...

I know lots of parents with minivans. I can't stand them. Fucking penalty box of driving. Even worse than a Forester.

I like Jalopink but they have said some serious questionable things in the past.

I read a popular ("popular" as in for the masses not something that was highly regarded by a lot of people) article that suggested that for many young people cars aren't a necessity like they used to be for older folk. That is, it used to be if one wanted to go and hang out with friends one had to get in one's car and go somewhere. If you wanted to see something in the next town you had to travel. Cars were a means of freedom. Now-a-days one just gets on FaceBook or goes watching YouTube clips.
I appreciate this is a generalisation and doesn't apply to everybody but there might an element of truth there.

If Scion now wants to sell mainstream vehicles, fine. But the entire fan base that they amassed for a certain type of vehicle (like the xB) AND do marketing designed for, isn't going to make them happy. I will admit a lot of mainstream Scion fans complain about the most pointless stuff ("put a turbo on the tC!!! put a turbo on the iM!!! the iA has no power and why does it look like a mazda!? the frs was a terrible supra replacement it only has 200hp!!!")
Also what I am curious about is why the Scion iA is a Scion is the US, but it's the Toyota Yaris Sedan here in Canada.

....errr if V12 is ever gonna be affordable & reliable.......that's probably the only chance

actually not gonna happen.


Reminds me top secret V12 supra

This is actually very insightful in my families case and I never really thought about it before. Neither of my kids (34 and 32 years old) drive and never had any interest in doing so. They both were very popular in school and such ( son was prom king in high school) and it baffled me how that was even possible. Even though they were at the cutting edge of social media they were certainly using it and did not need to travel or tie up a phone to communicate. Back in my day if you didn't have a car your social life was restricted to people in your immediate area or those that did drive. To use the phone you were tied to one spot in one room so conversations were usually brief and to the point.
I always figured that I somehow turned them off cars or driving due too my passion for both but now have a whole new perspective on the subject. I will have to look for this article or something like it.

I do not understand the marketing department of some large organisations.
There is a camera on the way that I am interested in. It has been officially announced by the manufacturer but not yet released. There are five (!!!) different model numbers for the same camera depending on which part of the world you are buying it in.

This one is easy. Scion has only been in Canada since 2010. Many areas were not even expected the o receive dealers until 2012. Since they wanted the car here sooner they released it as a Yaris.
Hard to believe but we are not part of the US and there is a long history of the same cars being released under different names or even brands here.

Bring on the T-LC!!!!!! My dream come true


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I normally enjoy most of the articles on Jalopnik, but I will admit that the "Blizzapalooza" nonsense they've hard-linked to the front page today reminds me way too much of the shit hole that weather.com has become.

I wish it was viably cool, but it would end up like he describes, a taxi, if it was to sell any it would have to be cheap, nobody is going to pay $25k for that thing.

NA 2JZ with D4-S, IRS, MT, LSD, stiffen the chassis a touch, cut some of the weight out :drool:

Basically I want a lightweight retro styled Altezza... or an E28 M5 but those are $30k+ now :(

There's a shift towards living in urban centres, partly because of the ease of transit, and partly because a lot of the younger crop can't afford houses at these prices (and with this job market).

And given the lousy traffic situations in many urban centres, those who choose to drive will likely opt for the most pain-free driving options, whether it be something like ZipCar, or our "glorious" future autonomous autopods.

While the roadside assistance guys were trying to get my car to start, we were all sharing this lament for bygone days and bygone cars. Even the BRZ has a bit too much tech for my liking (and it is already one of the comparative holdouts).

We're through the looking glass, people...

Better not let no scrubs drive it.
Because no, they don't want no scrubs...

I have an OG in the driveway right now, 1987 Toyota Cressida, gold with brown velour interior, rwd, inline 6

What is a Nissan Juke? Is it special because it doesn't have a box ? :bellyroll:

I pay close attention to car news/business, and I have to say that I've never heard of a Juke.

Seriously? It's been around for 5 years or so. A very small SUV (or rather a compact styled to look like a weird SUV), with 1.6L tubocharged engine, 190 HP, FWD or AWD, CVT or MT, 20-30k price range in the US.

Welcome to the forums.

I refute your statement. If you do pay close attention you would have read about this. Googling ""nissan juke"" (with quotation marks) returns About 15,900,000 hits and Googling "Nissan Juke" (no quotation marks) about 16,700,000.
I guess you haven't heard of the Juke-R either. That's the model with the GT-R engine stuffed into it. Built by Nissan.
http://autoweek.com/article/car-revi...-nissan-juke-r

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Scion should go away.

Cars are a disappointment. Whats next? Scion Supra? ewww...

actually there've been lots of articles stating this for years now. teens waiting later and later to get their licenses, percentage of adults with drivers licenses at all time lows, etc etc. i think the reasons that you state are definitely a factor, and i also think the way people parent today is reinforcing it. i'm only a year older than your kid, but when i was a kid, my parents let me walk to school, the arcade, the mall, my friend's house, by myself. i even went to a foreign country by myself when i was 13. it gave me a sense of independence so i couldn't wait to get a license of my own and be able to get around on my own. nowadays parents don't let their kids walk anywhere by themselves for fear of them getting kidnapped by pedos. the parents shuttle their kids everywhere, and they end up growing up with a sense that the person that has to drive is the one who got stuck with the chore. i used to volunteer and mentor teens at my church and was shocked when i'd drive them home and they didn't even know the directions to their house. they had no clue when it came to street names or freeway names. they were just that used to their parents picking them up, leaving everything to them, and immediately zoning out on the smartphone as soon as they got in the car. i feel like i knew where everything in my city was at by the time i was 12.

This made the news over here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...ddc_story.html

Almost made me cry.

It's Friday afternoon.
Weep for the sorry state of humanity on Monday morning...

WTF!? I was a free range kid!