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ichitaka05 03-01-2011 11:05 PM
FT86c Drift & Time Attack Races in GT5
 
I think most of us have fairly enough credit to buy several FT86 or already own several FT86 (like me), so thought to make FT86c Drift & Grip races!

Prob we'll have separate G's & regular races. Gonna have 2 Time Attack & 2 Grip races, but Drift, we'll have mix!

Yes, I knowOldSkoolToys did have some kind of planned race event... but ever happened, so I decided to make one!

I'm planning to do it mostly on weekend (high chances of Sundays) and it'll be like series races.

First race will be held at Tsukuba (both drift & grip) and here's few regulation.

Drift:
Tires Spec: Comfort Soft or lower
HP: stock to high as you want
other upgrades: anything goes on upgrades
Solo runs: You have 2 chances of solo runs and will be scored by several ppl.
Run & Chase: Will have run & chase and judge will decide who's the winner is (unless one more time occur).

Time Attack:
Tires Spec: Racing Soft or lower
HP: stock to high as you want
Other upgrades: Same as Drift, anything goes on upgrades
Time: You have 30 mins to put down the fastest score & no, ppl will be there on the track when you're time attack (prob good idea to tell em heads up).

Grip:
Tire Spec: Racing Hard or lower (sorry Dragon, but I gonna be picky.)
Tires Spec: Racing Soft or lower
HP: stock to high as you want
Other upgrades: Same as Drift & TA, anything goes on upgrades
Race: Everyone will be lined up as first come... except TA Champ. He/She will be lined up last (can't win all of em) and will be raced how many the judge decided (prob 5~10 laps)

If you think, you're wanna try out, just post which one you wanna do & your PSN ID & I'll start adding the names

Drift:
1. me - PSN:G-Impact

FT86-Concept

Time Attack:
1. me - PSN:G-Impact


Grip:
1. me - PSN:G-Impact


G's FT86-Concept

Time Attack:
1. me - PSN:G-Impact


Grip:
1. me - PSN:G-Impact

Date & Track
March 12 - Tsukuba Drift/TA Practice
March 13 - Tsukuba Drift/TA Race Event
March 26 - Suzuka East Drift/TA Practice
March 27 - Suzuka East Drift/TA Race Event

lil side not, my time zone is Mountain Time Zone

Dragonitti 03-03-2011 09:44 PM
I'm in, no worries about Race Hard or lower as I have a different method of tuning my cars now....:)

I think what you need to do is set a participation date. Give me a date/track/and time your room will be open with the time zone you are in, so everyone know when to join that room based on their time zone.

Drifting should be done D1/FD style with a Start point and end point Section of the track rather than the whole course. Competition will move faster that way. Section of the track should be designated by you for each event, since you are the one putting it together. Tandem runs are going to be somewhat of a challenge to judge as spectators/judges, as you are only allowed to focus on one car during the "spectator" mode. There are going to be parts where you won't be able to see what the other car is doing due to camera angle. It MAY be possible if everyone stays focused on the Lead car that they will be able to keep an eye on both.

Time Attack should be pretty easy as the fastest time is updated on everyone's screen.

Eventually it should open up to beyond the FT86 and separated by FWD, RWD, AWD and only restriction would be to meet the Performance Points requirement. Maybe a 300, 500, 700pp classifications. One week 300pp class cars and FWD, another week 500pp class AWD only cars....etc.

Dark 03-03-2011 10:39 PM
when Can I find you? Need drift session from you guys.

Giccin 03-04-2011 12:12 AM
I'd play if I actually bought the game. lol

ichitaka05 03-04-2011 12:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonitti (Post 28299)
I'm in, no worries about Race Hard or lower as I have a different method of tuning my cars now....:)

I think what you need to do is set a participation date. Give me a date/track/and time your room will be open with the time zone you are in, so everyone know when to join that room based on their time zone.

Drifting should be done D1/FD style with a Start point and end point Section of the track rather than the whole course. Competition will move faster that way. Section of the track should be designated by you for each event, since you are the one putting it together. Tandem runs are going to be somewhat of a challenge to judge as spectators/judges, as you are only allowed to focus on one car during the "spectator" mode. There are going to be parts where you won't be able to see what the other car is doing due to camera angle. It MAY be possible if everyone stays focused on the Lead car that they will be able to keep an eye on both.

Time Attack should be pretty easy as the fastest time is updated on everyone's screen.

Eventually it should open up to beyond the FT86 and separated by FWD, RWD, AWD and only restriction would be to meet the Performance Points requirement. Maybe a 300, 500, 700pp classifications. One week 300pp class cars and FWD, another week 500pp class AWD only cars....etc.
Thanks for the advice. Yeah, when it get few people to sign up, I was going to assign the day & time... but I'll say it right now. I'm prob will do it March 12 & 13. March 12 been practice and main event in 13th.

As for the Drifting, yeah I was going to do one section of course. That's why I've chosen Tsukuba for the first one. Cuz most ppl know D1 section for Tsukuba.

As for judging. Solo, there will be 2 judges (one of em will be me) and judges have total of 50 points each and after the each run judges will add both score and rank the drivers.

Tandem. Going to have 3 ppl going to be judging. 2 of them from someone competing and they'll get 10 points each to rate the driver. So one judge will view driver A. other judge will view driver B. I'll be the final judge & look at whichever and rate the same (10 points).

is that make sense?

For other layout races. I'm thinking about that... but as for now, let's stay on FT86. When FT86 championship goes well, we'll do other class races.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark (Post 28308)
when Can I find you? Need drift session from you guys.
Log on right now and find me and add me as a friend. We can do some drifting lesson. I'll be on for another 3 hrs tonight. :thumbup:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Giccin (Post 28337)
I'd play if I actually bought the game. lol
You should buy it! It's fun~:)

Giccin 03-04-2011 12:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 28349)
You should buy it! It's fun~:)
I'm going to get addicted and buy the Logitech Racing wheel set. :l I know it.. then build a model after a car seat. ._.

I've gone to that extreme before. :bonk:

ichitaka05 03-04-2011 12:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Giccin (Post 28352)
I'm going to get addicted and buy the Logitech Racing wheel set. :l I know it.. then build a model after a car seat. ._.

I've gone to that extreme before. :bonk:
Dooooooooooo it! Doooooooooo it! :bellyroll:

LOL It's all good. I got DrivingForce GT (friend gave it to me) and it's really fun!

Giccin 03-04-2011 01:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 28358)
Dooooooooooo it! Doooooooooo it! :bellyroll:

LOL It's all good. I got DrivingForce GT (friend gave it to me) and it's really fun!

I was debating.. G27 and the DF.GT. @_@ OR.

New lens for my camera... :x

ichitaka05 03-04-2011 01:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Giccin (Post 28360)
I was debating.. G27 and the DF.GT. @_@ OR.

New lens for my camera... :x
iirc one of the member here have G27 and he was enjoying it a lot. As for the DF GT, they're not too bad, just gotta have few driving options on.

Hm... new lens for camera is always good.

Giccin 03-04-2011 03:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 28367)
iirc one of the member here have G27 and he was enjoying it a lot. As for the DF GT, they're not too bad, just gotta have few driving options on.

Hm... new lens for camera is always good.

Hmm.. G27 because it feels like an actual car going from 1-5/6 or.. DFGT that costs half as much and still does the same thing.. but has the S+ S- like feel. :E

And lens wise.. was thinking of getting a 24-70L or 24-105L. :iono:

But.. now that I want GT5 because of you..
遊びましょう!:burnrubber:

ichitaka05 03-04-2011 03:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Giccin (Post 28421)
Hmm.. G27 because it feels like an actual car going from 1-5/6 or.. DFGT that costs half as much and still does the same thing.. but has the S+ S- like feel. :E

And lens wise.. was thinking of getting a 24-70L or 24-105L. :iono:

But.. now that I want GT5 because of you..
遊びましょう!:burnrubber:
Yeah, DFGT do awesome job for the game. IMO if you gonna play racing game 24/7 (like me) then it's worth every penny buying G27 w Playseat... but if you gonna do once a while kinda thing, it's best to go w DFGT (cuz cheaper).

As for the lens... I'm not too knowledgeable, so can't help out. Want to buy DSLR to make better pics for all the racing events I go... but my friend has somewhat nice one, so I'm letting her take all the pics :)

Yeah, you should get it! FYI, first time playing the game, it take ridiculously LONG loading time to go in & out of place in GT5 & I really mean it. Ask everyone who own GT5 knows this... BUT after it that it loads up quickly.

遊ぼ～:happyanim:

RRnold 03-04-2011 04:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 27888)
I think most of us have fairly enough credit to buy several FT86 or already own several FT86 (like me), so thought to make FT86c Drift & Grip races!

Prob we'll have separate G's & regular races. Gonna have 2 Time Attack & 2 Grip races, but Drift, we'll have mix!

Yes, I knowOldSkoolToys did have some kind of planned race event... but ever happened, so I decided to make one!

I'm planning to do it mostly on weekend (high chances of Sundays) and it'll be like series races.

First race will be held at Tsukuba (both drift & grip) and here's few regulation.

Drift:
Tires Spec: Comfort Soft or lower
HP: stock to high as you want
other upgrades: anything goes on upgrades
Solo runs: You have 2 chances of solo runs and will be scored by several ppl.
Run & Chase: Will have run & chase and judge will decide who's the winner is (unless one more time occur).

Time Attack:
Tires Spec: Racing Soft or lower
HP: stock to high as you want
Other upgrades: Same as Drift, anything goes on upgrades
Time: You have 30 mins to put down the fastest score & no, ppl will be there on the track when you're time attack (prob good idea to tell em heads up).

Grip:
Tire Spec: Racing Hard or lower (sorry Dragon, but I gonna be picky.)
Tires Spec: Racing Soft or lower
HP: stock to high as you want
Other upgrades: Same as Drift & TA, anything goes on upgrades
Race: Everyone will be lined up as first come... except TA Champ. He/She will be lined up last (can't win all of em) and will be raced how many the judge decided (prob 5~10 laps)

If you think, you're wanna try out, just post which one you wanna do & your PSN ID & I'll start adding the names

Drift:
1. me - PSN:G-Impact

FT86-Concept

Time Attack:
1. me - PSN:G-Impact


Grip:
1. me - PSN:G-Impact


G's FT86-Concept

Time Attack:
1. me - PSN:G-Impact


Grip:
1. me - PSN:G-Impact

Date & Track
March 12 - Tsukuba Drift/TA Practice
March 13 - Tsukuba Drift/TA Race Event
March 26 - Suzuka East Drift/TA Practice
March 27 - Suzuka East Drift/TA Race Event
Ichi, you have my psn name but I'm going snowboarding this weekend @ Mammoth so I won't be online. I would like to join a race in the furture though.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Giccin (Post 28360)
I was debating.. G27 and the DF.GT. @_@ OR.

New lens for my camera... :x
I was debating on getting a steering wheel and seat but don't play as much as I did before. I say if you are going to get a wheel/seat, go with the G27 since its probably the best bang for your buck.

What kind of camera do you have? I currently have a 20D with a L 70-200mm f/4 zoom lens. I sold my 50mm f/1.4 and my Tokina 10-17 fisheye. I want get back into it again but this time go with a Nikon D700. That's wishful thinking though and a lot of $$!

ichitaka05 03-04-2011 04:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RRnold (Post 28428)
Ichi, you have my psn name but I'm going snowboarding this weekend @ Mammoth so I won't be online. I would like to join a race in the furture though.
I'm not gonna twist your arm to join... well maybe :bellyroll: It's all good, when you can just join.

Giccin 03-04-2011 05:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RRnold (Post 28428)
I was debating on getting a steering wheel and seat but don't play as much as I did before. I say if you are going to get a wheel/seat, go with the G27 since its probably the best bang for your buck.

What kind of camera do you have? I currently have a 20D with a L 70-200mm f/4 zoom lens. I sold my 50mm f/1.4 and my Tokina 10-17 fisheye. I want get back into it again but this time go with a Nikon D700. That's wishful thinking though and a lot of $$!
G27 runs at 300~ish I believe. I'd love to get it if I wasn't so torn between a lens and a console item. Lol

I have a t1i atm. 18-55 kit because I can't seem to sell it. 50mm 1.4 for walk around.. 55-250mm for the scenery shots I take whenever hiking/camping. I've been borrowing lens from my friends to see which works best since I'll be upgrading bodies soon. 60D, t3i or MarkDII.

I have the funds to purchase the MarkDII and 1-2 more L lens but.. problem is.. if the 86 comes out in a year I need the money for that and to probably for my school transfer soon. So I have about.. 700-800 ish saved as of right now for side "Fun" stuff.

RRnold 03-04-2011 06:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Giccin (Post 28432)
G27 runs at 300~ish I believe. I'd love to get it if I wasn't so torn between a lens and a console item. Lol

I have a t1i atm. 18-55 kit because I can't seem to sell it. 50mm 1.4 for walk around.. 55-250mm for the scenery shots I take whenever hiking/camping. I've been borrowing lens from my friends to see which works best since I'll be upgrading bodies soon. 60D, t3i or MarkDII.

I have the funds to purchase the MarkDII and 1-2 more L lens but.. problem is.. if the 86 comes out in a year I need the money for that and to probably for my school transfer soon. So I have about.. 700-800 ish saved as of right now for side "Fun" stuff.
Nice!! Mine came with the kit lens too and I've seen folks on FredMiranda practially giving them away. That's an awesome forum too BTW and have so many sweet deals.

Yeah, the steering wheel, seat, concole and game, you're probably looking at about $1500. I've gotten away with just the analog controller and if/since you have other hobbies, I say no on the steering wheel and yeah for the camera lenses. A PS3 is fun in all but nothing beats an awesome picture and most of the time, you only have that moment to capture it!

I say go for the glass! The FT will only get better as the years go by. I see no rush to get the 1st generation unless you have to. .02

Giccin 03-04-2011 07:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RRnold (Post 28439)
Nice!! Mine came with the kit lens too and I've seen folks on FredMiranda practially giving them away. That's an awesome forum too BTW and have so many sweet deals.

Yeah, the steering wheel, seat, concole and game, you're probably looking at about $1500. I've gotten away with just the analog controller and if/since you have other hobbies, I say no on the steering wheel and yeah for the camera lenses. A PS3 is fun in all but nothing beats an awesome picture and most of the time, you only have that moment to capture it!

I say go for the glass! The FT will only get better as the years go by. I see no rush to get the 1st generation unless you have to. .02
I've never heard of Fredmiranda. I've been using "photography on the net" most of the time. Since most of them are pros and can probably give me more of a statistical advice than my friends can lol; however, I'll definitely give them a look.

I have the PS3 console. I really don't need the seat since I can just connect it to the desk I'm using now and lock the wheels of my chair in. Lol. I just need the steering wheel+peddles as well as the game.

RRnold 03-04-2011 08:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Giccin (Post 28446)
I've never heard of Fredmiranda. I've been using "photography on the net" most of the time. Since most of them are pros and can probably give me more of a statistical advice than my friends can lol; however, I'll definitely give them a look.

I have the PS3 console. I really don't need the seat since I can just connect it to the desk I'm using now and lock the wheels of my chair in. Lol. I just need the steering wheel+peddles as well as the game.
There are pros on FM too! :happy0180: I'm sure majority of the members on POTN are on FM!

http://www.fredmiranda.com/hosting-d...1/2sunrise.jpg
http://www.fredmiranda.com/hosting-d...68midnight.jpg
http://www.fredmiranda.com/hosting-d...01/164668d.jpg
http://www.fredmiranda.com/hosting-data//501/2mad.jpg

4agze 03-04-2011 08:20 PM
ichi whats the average time of the FT86 on nur ring?

Giccin 03-04-2011 08:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RRnold (Post 28450)
Absolutely beautiful shots:coolpics::coolpics:~~

I'll give it a try. Only thing I'm not comfortable with is Canon users and Nikon users constantly arguing which one is better. Lol Or one side trying to convert the other. Its good to see there are other photographers on here. Haha. :>

RRnold 03-04-2011 09:08 PM
That's what I hated about POTN was the irrelevant and immature brand loyalist on that forum. I guess I haven't really missed much. That's why I recommended FM since they are more exclusive and a mellow photography forum w/out all the b/s.

The classifieds is unreal! Majority of the members cycle through their gear very frequently so you'll probably find the best deals on bases w/minimal accuations and prime lenses for like 60% off new and only used for a couple months etc. I highly recommend that site over POTN anyday! :happy0180:

Sorry Ichi... carry on!! Vrooom, vroom! ;)

ichitaka05 03-04-2011 11:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4agze (Post 28451)
ichi whats the average time of the FT86 on nur ring?
IDK, I'll try em out tonight & let you know.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RRnold (Post 28456)
That's what I hated about POTN was the irrelevant and immature brand loyalist on that forum. I guess I haven't really missed much. That's why I recommended FM since they are more exclusive and a mellow photography forum w/out all the b/s.

The classifieds is unreal! Majority of the members cycle through their gear very frequently so you'll probably find the best deals on bases w/minimal accuations and prime lenses for like 60% off new and only used for a couple months etc. I highly recommend that site over POTN anyday! :happy0180:

Sorry Ichi... carry on!! Vrooom, vroom! ;)
Yeah what's up w this off topic I'm not involved in? I feel left out :bellyroll:

It's all good. This thread is in the off-topic section, so I don't care. Talk much as you guys want.:happy0180: ...til Hachi say no. :bellyroll:

Zaku 03-05-2011 12:02 AM
Sweet, I just need to get my PS3 fixed.

IGN: Azai

I hope I can learn so me better driving techs from your guys. Do you guys play with a driving stick or Dual shock?

ichitaka05 03-05-2011 12:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaku (Post 28470)
Sweet, I just need to get my PS3 fixed.

IGN: Azai

I hope I can learn so me better driving techs from your guys. Do you guys play with a driving stick or Dual shock?
Drifting regular controller. Grip, depends on my mood. If I feel like pulling out my DFGT. :)

Giccin 03-05-2011 02:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaku (Post 28470)
Sweet, I just need to get my PS3 fixed.

IGN: Azai

I hope I can learn so me better driving techs from your guys. Do you guys play with a driving stick or Dual shock?
Dual shock! :P Ichi is convincing me to buy a DFGT. :l Although I wish it had.. a clutch peddle...

Quote:
Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 28471)
Drifting regular controller. Grip, depends on my mood. If I feel like pulling out my DFGT. :)
In the process of purchasing the game... :bonk:

ichitaka05 03-05-2011 04:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Giccin (Post 28475)
Dual shock! :P Ichi is convincing me to buy a DFGT. :l Although I wish it had.. a clutch peddle...

In the process of purchasing the game... :bonk:
Yes, I'm guilty of charge :happyanim:

Dragonitti 03-06-2011 12:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4agze (Post 28451)
ichi whats the average time of the FT86 on nur ring?

I haven't re-ran the burg yet with my GSport, but last I ran a hot lap/Time Attack, it clocked a 7:04

Zaku 03-06-2011 08:00 PM
which driving wheel are you guys using? Logitech? or Fenatec or Thrustmaster?
Picking up my fixed PS3 prolly thursday, need a couple of hours to get cars in GT

ichitaka05 03-06-2011 08:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaku (Post 28610)
which driving wheel are you guys using? Logitech? or Fenatec or Thrustmaster?
Picking up my fixed PS3 prolly thursday, need a couple of hours to get cars in GT
Wheel, I'm using DFGT

Dragonitti 03-06-2011 09:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaku (Post 28610)
which driving wheel are you guys using? Logitech? or Fenatec or Thrustmaster?
Picking up my fixed PS3 prolly thursday, need a couple of hours to get cars in GT

I'm probably going to go Fanatec. The dead zone on the G27 was not my favorite thing. The Fanatec GT2 wheel supposedly doesn't suffer from dead zone in the center.

Zaku 03-06-2011 10:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonitti (Post 28614)
I'm probably going to go Fanatec. The dead zone on the G27 was not my favorite thing. The Fanatec GT2 wheel supposedly doesn't suffer from dead zone in the center.
I don't think I'll go that hard core for a wheel g27 or fanatec Gt2, but the carrera and the logitech force gt seems great, what are your experiences if you've used them? oh and any opinion on that red HkS controller made just for racing games,

ichitaka05 03-07-2011 01:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaku (Post 28620)
I don't think I'll go that hard core for a wheel g27 or fanatec Gt2, but the carrera and the logitech force gt seems great, what are your experiences if you've used them? oh and any opinion on that red HkS controller made just for racing games,
I have DFGT and they're not bad. It work well that's for sure. Just need few assistant on or it doesn't drive well... but other than that, it's nice. I did look into HKS controller once... but I didn't buy, cuz it's wired. If you don't mind wire then it might be good. I don't like to have wire around me, so I didn't buy it.

RRnold 03-07-2011 08:59 PM
So how did the race setup go this past weekend?

ichitaka05 03-07-2011 09:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RRnold (Post 28702)
So how did the race setup go this past weekend?
LOL no, here's the schedule. I've posted on first post :happy0180:

Quote:
Date & Track
March 12 - Tsukuba Drift/TA Practice
March 13 - Tsukuba Drift/TA Race Event
March 26 - Suzuka East Drift/TA Practice
March 27 - Suzuka East Drift/TA Race Event

XpLiCiT_CaShh 03-08-2011 10:06 PM
I'l be keen for this (Even if im just making up the numbers)
:scared0016:

No pro at the online PS thing so add me please!
PSN: XpLiCiT_CaShh

ichitaka05 03-08-2011 10:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by XpLiCiT_CaShh (Post 28845)
I'l be keen for this (Even if im just making up the numbers)
:scared0016:

No pro at the online PS thing so add me please!
PSN: XpLiCiT_CaShh
It might be hard due to time zone difference, but you're more than welcome to join. :happy0180:

XpLiCiT_CaShh 03-08-2011 10:18 PM
Possibly could work out this weekend.

Spent a couple of grand the last 2weeks taking my partner on trips away.. so this weekend is wash the holden and sit on my backside.. Might as well do some 86 drifting =D

ichitaka05 03-08-2011 10:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by XpLiCiT_CaShh (Post 28847)
Possibly could work out this weekend.

Spent a couple of grand the last 2weeks taking my partner on trips away.. so this weekend is wash the holden and sit on my backside.. Might as well do some 86 drifting =D
LOL ic, yeah, planning to do it this weekend, so I'll update as time comes.

Dark 03-09-2011 03:03 PM
Add you guys up tomorrow. I have test today. :(

ichitaka05 03-09-2011 10:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark (Post 28988)
Add you guys up tomorrow. I have test today. :(
Ah~ not fun. GL on the test :happy0180:.... while I have fun time drifting~ :bellyroll:

Dark 03-10-2011 12:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 29047)
Ah~ not fun. GL on the test :happy0180:.... while I have fun time drifting~ :bellyroll:
Damn, it's online test... I will have it done by 12 and hop into the steering wheel for an hour.


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