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WNDSRFR 06-17-2015 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Target70 (Post 2289813)
I get it all the time with the OFT tune, but I noticed recently since it has started to heat up outside I don't get it as bad. Winter it smelled pig rich. Also when I ran my E-85 tune last year I almost couldn't smell it at all, and when I did, it smelled pleasant :D

I've had the complete opposite experience.
I have no smell when I run gas but with E85 my car always smells like a bar. I'm worried some day I may be pulled over and accused of DUI!

raven1231 06-17-2015 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WNDSRFR (Post 2290075)
I've had the complete opposite experience.
I have no smell when I run gas but with E85 my car always smells like a bar. I'm worried some day I may be pulled over and accused of DUI!

same here. Love the smell though!

Tectoniic 06-17-2015 10:22 AM

Officially joined the waiting list!

Now the agonizing wait begins :thumbup:

TM 06-17-2015 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Target70 (Post 2289925)
are you still running the original starter battery with the 1.5 setup? I can't remember if it will fit, but you could try out the new starter batt. I managed to get 2.0 to fit with the 1.5 kit with some washers and longer screws between the top block and one of the side braces, plus cutting off the inside lip of the battery tray. If interested I'll post some pics.

Yeah, still running the original starter battery with the 1.5 dump pack. Some pics would be great.

FingR-S 06-17-2015 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Target70 (Post 2289813)
I get it all the time with the OFT tune, but I noticed recently since it has started to heat up outside I don't get it as bad. Winter it smelled pig rich. Also when I ran my E-85 tune last year I almost couldn't smell it at all, and when I did, it smelled pleasant :D


Thanks for the info! I'm running 91 and only get the occasional smell from time to time at WOT. If I turn the ESC off and just run with ESC tune, no smell.
I haven't been curious enough to drive out of my way and try e85. I'll just get a beer and fries :)



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Target70 06-18-2015 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TM (Post 2290229)
Yeah, still running the original starter battery with the 1.5 dump pack. Some pics would be great.

My layout is pretty much the same, the dual dumps are just about 1/2'' wider than the battery tray and brace.

http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/P6180005.jpg

http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/P6180001.jpg

I forgot the nuts, I just used whatever I had around that would work as a spacer, and used some longer screws.
http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/P6180002.jpg

It's dark and really hard to see, so I highlighted the end of the tray. I just ran it through a table saw and cut the lip off the side so the battery could overhang.

http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/P6180004.jpg

TM 06-21-2015 06:19 AM

Anyone here running something other than the OTS tune? Wondering how much extra horsepower can be squeezed out from a custom tune...

fenton 07-03-2015 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TM (Post 2285947)
Did you ever get this resolved?


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Yes @dtek did get this resolved. Dtek is actually in Australia so he took his US based kit and converted it to RHD. This meant extending a bunch of wires. Long story short there was one extension that was not up to snuff for the amount of watts that ESC was pulling.

Once he fixed that issue he is back to where he should be.

fenton 07-03-2015 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TM (Post 2294578)
Anyone here running something other than the OTS tune? Wondering how much extra horsepower can be squeezed out from a custom tune...

I was running a custom tune of Shiv's but it was on a different controller and charger....i was making ~230 whp on 93 octane.

Shiv's standard tune is VERY good....a custom tune will only maybe get another 5 or so HP out of it(on standard fuel) but it will be more aggressively tuned to the knock threshold.

I also had a "custom" tune(from different tuner) before going to shiv's OTS map and i was only making 197hp whereas shiv's was making 208....he has the most experience and seat time with the ESC.

keen as 07-22-2015 11:17 PM

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I installed a second hand USA kit from Gary in NJ, and made longer cables to fit RHD in Australia. Thanks Gums for giving me the dump cable and to dtek for converting the USA tune for my A01G ROM.


I converted the throttle switch by reversing the folds of the bracket. I plan to get the Procede soon.


The cables are in a temporary position until I decide the final length and location, probable under the manifold.

Sojhinn 07-22-2015 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keen as (Post 2331561)
I installed a second hand USA kit from Gary in NJ, and made longer cables to fit RHD in Australia. Thanks Gums for giving me the dump cable and to dtek for converting the USA tune for my A01G ROM.


I converted the throttle switch by reversing the folds of the bracket. I plan to get the Procede soon.


The cables are in a temporary position until I decide the final length and location, probable under the manifold.


Nice job sir. Didn't know Gary left us.


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DAEMANO 07-22-2015 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sojhinn (Post 2331564)
Nice job sir. Didn't know Gary left us.

See what happens when you take some time off? The whole place goes to pot! Hahaha!

DON'T DO IT AGAIN.

Sojhinn 07-22-2015 11:23 PM

Phantom FTS Electric Supercharger Owners Thread
 
LOL


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Gary in NJ 07-23-2015 07:48 PM

Looks great Lawrence. Enjoy it. I sure did.

Gums 07-26-2015 04:10 AM

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Inspired by @fenton
I like it!

Sojhinn 07-26-2015 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Gums (Post 2335238)
Inspired by @fenton
I like it!


High temperature paint?


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raven1231 07-26-2015 09:48 AM

Makes it resemble the vortech blower

Gums 07-26-2015 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sojhinn (Post 2335301)
High temperature paint?

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Yes, from a local hardware chain. Masking the controller and all the cables took most of the time.

I was inspired by Mighty Car Mods [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QL9veQaNg"]Black Intercoolers Mythbusted - YouTube[/ame]

Figured it may help keep the controller a bit cooler.

FatFree 08-20-2015 02:41 PM

Phantom FTS Electric Supercharger Owners Thread
 
I'm interested in purchasing the phantom esc but I can't find out who to PM.

Edit: never mind. I figured it out. This post can be deleted

Namuna 08-20-2015 05:50 PM

Got word that my number is up and any day now the hand of god (aka Robfts) will be tapping my shoulder to let me get a Phantom kit!!

And so here are some general questions for you owners:
  1. Any reason to NOT order the batteries now, and wait to get the kit first?
  2. Recently Rob posted about a 12v-to-24v charger (http://www.batterystuff.com/battery-...ll/MC24EX.html) is this in lieu of getting the Phantom Aux Charger, or in addition to, or what?
  3. Any particular tools, tapes, wires, meters, etc... That I should get that would help the process along?

Thanks.

DAEMANO 08-20-2015 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Namuna (Post 2364226)
Got word that my number is up and any day now the hand of god (aka Robfts) will be tapping my shoulder to let me get a Phantom kit!!

And so here are some general questions for you owners:
  1. Any reason to NOT order the batteries now, and wait to get the kit first?
  2. Recently Rob posted about a 12v-to-24v charger (http://www.batterystuff.com/battery-...ll/MC24EX.html) is this in lieu of getting the Phantom Aux Charger, or in addition to, or what?
  3. Any particular tools, tapes, wires, meters, etc... That I should get that would help the process along?

Thanks.

First off, congratulations. You're going to love how the Phantom ESC transforms your car. Now on to the questions.

1. If you've sent payment to Rob or are doing so soon, order your batteries now. They may take a few days to a week to arrive.

2. I think @Robftss was saying that the linked 24v charger could be used in lieu of the Phantom branded Aux charger. He or @fenton can confirm this.

3. Items to have
a. Zip ties (large and small)

b. Electrical tape

c. Some extra wire loom (large diameter and small for cable dressing).

d. 3M adhesion promoter (1 pack should be enough). To make sure the voltmeter double sided tape sticks to the adhesion resistant interior trim. [ame="http://www.amazon.com/3M-6396-Adhesive-Promoter-Packets/dp/B00RY8L9U6/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1440107931&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=3m+6396+adhesion+promoter"]Amazon.com : 3M 6396 Adhesive Promoter 3 Packets : Office Products[/ame]

e. An extra set of hands is helpful, but not neeeded.

f. Have the installation video (for the Phantom ESC and the PROcede if needed) bookmarked on your phone, tablet or laptop for quick reference.

g. If you're tuning with an OpenFlashTablet, have the ESC tune map loaded on the OFT. If you have access, later step up to e85.

h. If you're installing the PROcede controller have the PROcede software loaded on your laptop and at least @Sojhinn 's latest map downloaded. You can also test out @KoolBRZ 's

i. you probably won't need a voltmeter, but just in case having one laying around could help.

j. a magnetic small parts tray to keep fasteners from getting lost.

k. time, don't do this in a hurry. It's relatively quick but take your time anyhow.

l. and the basic hand tools for the kit install.
Holler on the forums if you run into any issues during your install. One of us is bound to be watching.

LucidMomentum 08-20-2015 06:40 PM

I guess I can post in this thread now! Copying my posts from the build thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by LucidMomentum (Post 2360655)
It's installed! The temptation to drive with it without a tune is killing me...

*EDIT* Pics:

http://i.imgur.com/kPUyzFg.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/yRVfB39.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ycbbXuA.jpg

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Originally Posted by LucidMomentum (Post 2360789)
So I went for a drive with @KoolBRZ's "D" tune, with the throttle switch set to around %80 activation.

For starters, your tun without the ESC is really good. It feels great and the extra oomph at the low end is great.

However, when I got the urge to push the pedal down... The ESC is something else. You feel it kick in, the voltage drops, and bam you're at 70 mph before you know it.

Then you back off, coast back down to 55 and the voltage is at 28.4 again.

So I took it on the highway, and I basically ran out of MPH on the car before I got below 15 V of boost. I'm not sure in what world you'd need the full 90 seconds of boost.

It's really something. I think I'll change the throttle position closer to 60-70% if I can, and that'll be just fine for me...

I can imagine how great this will be with morel linear control. You all have done such great work and I really can't be happier with it. I don't think I'll really need any more power after this, especially with the Procede to refine it.

Also thanks to @tyrantcf for letting me pay him back over time for the ESC. I'm basically making his new car payments for the next few months, but it's worth it. :happyanim:


godzuki 08-20-2015 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAEMANO (Post 2364245)
First off, congratulations. You're going to love how the Phantom ESC transforms your car. Now on to the questions.

1. If you've sent payment to Rob or are doing so soon, order your batteries now. They may take a few days to a week to arrive.

2. I think @Robftss was saying that the linked 24v charger could be used in lieu of the Phantom branded Aux charger. He or @fenton can confirm this.

3. Items to have
a. Zip ties (large and small)

b. Electrical tape

c. Some extra wire loom (large diameter and small for cable dressing).

d. 3M adhesion promoter (1 pack should be enough). To make sure the voltmeter double sided tape sticks to the adhesion resistant interior trim. Amazon.com : 3M 6396 Adhesive Promoter 3 Packets : Office Products

e. An extra set of hands is helpful, but not neeeded.

f. Have the installation video (for the Phantom ESC and the PROcede if needed) bookmarked on your phone, tablet or laptop for quick reference.

g. If you're tuning with an OpenFlashTablet, have the ESC tune map loaded on the OFT. If you have access, later step up to e85.

h. If you're installing the PROcede controller have the PROcede software loaded on your laptop and at least @Sojhinn 's latest map downloaded. You can also test out @KoolBRZ 's

i. you probably won't need a voltmeter, but just in case having one laying around could help.

j. a magnetic small parts tray to keep fasteners from getting lost.

k. time, don't do this in a hurry. It's relatively quick but take your time anyhow.

l. and the basic hand tools for the kit install.
Holler on the forums if you run into any issues during your install. One of us is bound to be watching.

If you're a perfectionist like I am you'll want to have:

1. mini/micro fuse (forget what amp rating, but it was red) and soldering iron to replace the standard size fuse that the kit comes with.
2. Something to plug up the sound tube hole in the firewall (what you chose depends on whether you intend to fish the wires through there or not). I went with some rolled up foam gasket.

Namuna 08-20-2015 07:34 PM

thanks for the replies guys, VERY helpful!

...Looks like there's a sale going on with the dump batteries (which makes them cheaper than the starter batts), should I just buy 3 dump batts and use 1 as the starter?
Dumps:
http://www.batterymart.com/p-Big-Cra...6-Battery.html

Starter:
http://www.batterymart.com/p-odyssey-pc680-battery.html

Thanks.

DAEMANO 08-20-2015 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Namuna (Post 2364337)
thanks for the replies guys, VERY helpful!

...Looks like there's a sale going on with the dump batteries (which makes them cheaper than the starter batts), should I just buy 3 dump batts and use 1 as the starter?
Dumps:
http://www.batterymart.com/p-Big-Cra...6-Battery.html

Starter:
http://www.batterymart.com/p-odyssey-pc680-battery.html

Thanks.

No problemo.

Try to stick with Rob's recommendations (2x ETX16 dumps, 1x Odyssey starter). They've been tested to work, are cheap and very reliable, plus the included kit hardware is matched to these batteries.

Sojhinn 08-20-2015 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Namuna (Post 2364337)
thanks for the replies guys, VERY helpful!

...Looks like there's a sale going on with the dump batteries (which makes them cheaper than the starter batts), should I just buy 3 dump batts and use 1 as the starter?
Dumps:
http://www.batterymart.com/p-Big-Cra...6-Battery.html

Starter:
http://www.batterymart.com/p-odyssey-pc680-battery.html

Thanks.


Get the metal jacket pc680. It handles more heat.


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Namuna 08-20-2015 08:55 PM

Alright, just ordered the batteries.

for anyone interested, the dump batts are on sale for $85.95 each right now (Have to start from their home page http://www.batterymart.com and click through, using the direct link will show the $99.95 price).

Sojhinn 08-20-2015 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Namuna (Post 2364418)
Alright, just ordered the batteries.



for anyone interested, the dump batts are on sale for $85.95 each right now (Have to start from their home page http://www.batterymart.com and click through, using the direct link will show the $99.95 price).


Welcome aboard!


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continuecrushing 08-26-2015 12:04 PM

Well, after a long drive (not for me), hilarious "test drive", bump starting the car in front of a storage place in the pitch black and dealing with a weird fuse issue, @BRZ-y is now a new proud owner!

Sojhinn 08-26-2015 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shutter (Post 2370398)
Well, after a long drive (not for me), hilarious "test drive", bump starting the car in front of a storage place in the pitch black and dealing with a weird fuse issue, @BRZ-y is now a new proud owner!


What direction are you headed now shutter?


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continuecrushing 08-26-2015 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sojhinn (Post 2370400)
What direction are you headed now shutter?


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Not sure! Unfortunately I'm trying to figure out if I'm gonna keep the car or not, but some of the stuff on it needed to go!

I know the first time I try and merge/pass/not be slow I'll be sad haha since the ESC is gone

Namuna 08-26-2015 04:30 PM

Batteries in hand, the ESC kit shipped today! Can't wait!

So while I'm eagerly awaiting arrival I started thinking about future complimentary/synergistic upgrades to go with the Phantom.

Please do jump in with your thoughts and experiences.

1. Crawford Billet Power Blocks
Nope. Sadly I already got this upgrade before buying the ESC and come to find out there's very little to no performance gain to having this upgrade with the ESC, and actually can be a detriment.

2. UL or UEL Headers?
Can anyone clarify on this? I've read that some of the recently released UEL headers, like the OFH, gives good power on the low end and even get rid of the torque dip. But that's on their own, how do headers fare when combined with the ESC?

3. Short Shifter
ESC = faster RPM ramp-up IN the gear, so a shorter shift throw THROUGH the gears seems like a great partnership.

4. Aluminum Pulleys?
Anyone have experience with this in concert with FI in general, or with the ESC specifically? It seems like it would be a beneficial upgrade with the ESC?

5. Cold-Air Intake?
I know because of the size and shape of the ESC, there's not a lot of room or choices for 3rd party Intakes. Is it worth even trying to figure out a 3rd party solution vs. uses the OEM with a good filter?

That's what I can think of for now.
Thanks.

Sojhinn 08-26-2015 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Namuna (Post 2370804)
Batteries in hand, the ESC kit shipped today! Can't wait!

So while I'm eagerly awaiting arrival I started thinking about future complimentary/synergistic upgrades to go with the Phantom.

Please do jump in with your thoughts and experiences.

1. Crawford Billet Power Blocks
Nope. Sadly I already got this upgrade before buying the ESC and come to find out there's very little to no performance gain to having this upgrade with the ESC, and actually can be a detriment.

2. UL or UEL Headers?
Can anyone clarify on this? I've read that some of the recently released UEL headers, like the OFH, gives good power on the low end and even get rid of the torque dip. But that's on their own, how do headers fare when combined with the ESC?

3. Short Shifter
ESC = faster RPM ramp-up IN the gear, so a shorter shift throw THROUGH the gears seems like a great partnership.

4. Aluminum Pulleys?
Anyone have experience with this in concert with FI in general, or with the ESC specifically? It seems like it would be a beneficial upgrade with the ESC?

5. Cold-Air Intake?
I know because of the size and shape of the ESC, there's not a lot of room or choices for 3rd party Intakes. Is it worth even trying to figure out a 3rd party solution vs. uses the OEM with a good filter?

That's what I can think of for now.
Thanks.


1) sell them get some money.

2) can add power not a bad investment

3) I love my shifter wouldn't change it for a short shifter ever. I did upgrade to the mtec springs though.

4) wouldn't touch Em.

5) I installed mishimotos cold air intake as it was the only one with air straighteners. No issues yet. And I like it more too.


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BRZ-y 08-29-2015 02:16 PM

Hey guys, I finally have time this afternoon to install the v1.0 esc I picked up from @Shutter earlier this week. I am running stock headers and its the v1 dump pack. What tune should I be running with it? The only tune I can find from the open flash website is v2.02

I'm planning to upgrade the dump pack and go to the Procede. Looks like I'll be getting a UEL to keep current and get the most out of this thing.

Sojhinn 08-29-2015 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRZ-y (Post 2374088)
Hey guys, I finally have time this afternoon to install the v1.0 esc I picked up from @Shutter earlier this week. I am running stock headers and its the v1 dump pack. What tune should I be running with it? The only tune I can find from the open flash website is v2.02

I'm planning to upgrade the dump pack and go to the Procede. Looks like I'll be getting a UEL to keep current and get the most out of this thing.


Is it the v1 dump? Or the 1.5 dump? Also snag the esc tune from the open flash site.


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BRZ-y 08-29-2015 02:30 PM

Esc 1.0 what tune?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sojhinn (Post 2374093)
Is it the v1 dump? Or the 1.5 dump? Also snag the esc tune from the open flash site.

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site.


It's the v1 dump pack and the only esc tune I can find on the site is v2.02 which requires v1.5 dump pack and uncatted headers.....

http://www.openflashtablet.com/Autom...FRS/downloads/

Sojhinn 08-29-2015 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRZ-y (Post 2374097)
site.





It's the v1 dump pack and the only esc tune I can find on the site is v2.02 which requires v1.5 dump pack and uncatted headers.....



http://www.openflashtablet.com/Autom...FRS/downloads/

@Shutter what tune were you running?

I would recommend snagging the etx batteries then. I believe you could use the existing wiring that's on the v1 for the etx batteries fairly easily.




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continuecrushing 08-29-2015 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sojhinn (Post 2374103)
@Shutter what tune were you running?

I would recommend snagging the etx batteries then. I believe you could use the existing wiring that's on the v1 for the etx batteries fairly easily.




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v2.01 (ESC 1.5dump+ofh USDM only)

Namuna 09-02-2015 01:34 PM

Just wanted to share my 1st (and 2nd) impressions on my initial runs after installing the ESC.

1st Impression:
After install and taking her out for the first time, I have to say I was highly disappointed! After all the waiting and money spent and hours doing the install and tune...I didn't feel ANY difference in power vs what I had before! Stomping the gas in the lower gears (any gears really) wasn't doing anything different than before (particular 1st and 2nd gears and getting into 3rd, the infamous torque dip). I was noticing strange readings on the volt box (28.9v peak, the number not really going down by much at all during hard accelerations and especially the voltage going up to 31.0v and then going back to 28.9v).

Feeling bummed that I might've gotten a dud ESC or worse it was working fine and the gains were so minute I couldn't feel it, I wrote up an email to Rob with the details and his response was it sounded like something wasn't properly plugged in and that I should check the connections.

I pop the hood and low and behold I missed the biggest damned thing...I didn't connect the big connector from the dump pack to the controller! :bonk: :slap:

2nd Impression:
With the power now properly connected, the next startup and the voltbox now reads 28.4v. I take her out again and as I get into 2nd gear I put the foot down and this time instead of the usual hard rev of the engine but no particular pull... The car hard revs and then immediately JOLTS/BUCKS and I let out an auditory "HOLY SHIT" and have a grin from ear-to-ear as I experience for the first time this new power band the car now has.

Awwwwwww yeah!

DAEMANO 09-02-2015 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Namuna (Post 2377791)
Just wanted to share my 1st (and 2nd) impressions on my initial runs after installing the ESC.

2nd Impression:
With the power now properly connected, the next startup and the voltbox now reads 28.4v. I take her out again and as I get into 2nd gear I put the foot down and this time instead of the usual hard rev of the engine but no particular pull... The car hard revs and then immediately JOLTS/BUCKS and I let out an auditory "HOLY SHIT" and have a grin from ear-to-ear as I experience for the first time this new power band the car now has.

Awwwwwww yeah!

Glad you've gotten it setup and can enjoy the fun. Don't forget to update the owners configuration spreadsheet in the first post. Here's the link:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...Hic/edit#gid=0


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