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DuMa 09-02-2012 09:05 PM

they need to bring back the datsun 510 concept.

http://www.datsunnissandrivers.com/u...n/neo510-1.jpg

http://www.dieselupload.com/files/1/neo510gt8.jpg

http://www.datsunnissandrivers.com/u...n/neo510-2.jpg

hotaka 09-03-2012 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jdmitr (Post 417265)
Bottom line is they need to make a modern looking version of the s15 silvia. They would sell sooo many of them....hell I would buy one. If they make any thing like the concepts above you can guarantee they won't sell well. Personally I absolutely get sick looking at them.

yeah i'd be ok with it if it was shaped for performance, but it doesn't look aerodynamic at all...

although it looks rigid

_F-R-S_ 09-03-2012 09:43 PM

that silvia lol.... i hate all concept cars..

Dadhawk 09-04-2012 10:25 AM

All I can say is, wow, that's ugly, and no FWD is not a competitor to a RWD car. Sorry Nissan.

One last thing (and yes, I'm repeating myself) Nissan if you do anything modernize and build the MID4 you let me down with in the 80's!

Until you do, I will not buy a car from you. :paddle:

http://zhome.com/History/Images/MID-4_5.jpg

Turbowned 09-04-2012 10:31 AM

Good gawd people at Nissan, this is not difficult! Soup up the Juke motor, put it in an S15 test mule, put suspension borrowed from the Z in it, and then design a chassis that looks as sexy as the original Silvias. Charge $25k. Done and done! Now build it and make money!

http://www.aspecperformance.com/images/S15.jpg

PLUS

http://image.trucktrend.com/f/268521...uke-engine.jpg

PLUS

http://www.370z.com/Portals/0/Magazi...suspension.jpg

EQUALS

http://www.featurepics.com/FI/Thumb3...und-685436.jpg

lordgrover 09-04-2012 10:58 AM

TBF, the FT86 was a dazzler.
What we have now is a watered down, 'safe' option. Still pretty darn good, but not the concept we were 'sold' two years ago.

mike2100 09-04-2012 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Turbowned (Post 420808)
Good gawd people at Nissan, this is not difficult! Soup up the Juke motor, put it in an S15 test mule, put suspension borrowed from the Z in it, and then design a chassis that looks as sexy as the original Silvias. Charge $25k. Done and done! Now build it and make money!

That would make waaayyy too much sense.


But I totally agree. I was thinking the same thing.

FT-86GOD 09-04-2012 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DuMa (Post 418266)
they need to bring back the datsun 510 concept.

:respekt: Looks a lot like a Toyota KE70...... Love it......

DantKR 09-04-2012 11:42 AM

Da fq is that ugly thing?

mines13 09-04-2012 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DantKR (Post 420898)
Da fq is that ugly thing?

You are just too young to get it I guess...

Asterisked Accolade 09-04-2012 12:24 PM

Man, Nissan's renderings just don't do a thing for me. I preferred the 90's Nissans' styling more than anything they've put out in the last 10 years. (With the 350 & GT-R as an exception.)

vh_supra26 11-23-2012 06:45 PM

NEW Nissan 240SX in the works
 
http://www.gtchannel.com/sites/defau...O_v6_water.jpg

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Nissan wants its segment back.

Following the image blow the Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ have dealt to Nissan’s reputation as the dominant purveyor of Japanese sporty cars, development has begun (and is likely stepped up) on a car rumored to be the replacement of the Silvia, called the 240SX, in North America.

Our source inside Japan got hold of an illustration of an engine being developed by Nissan, designated W53F PF, which was recently leaked to a prominent Japanese car magazine. The "53" in its code most likely refers to the same platform designation used by the Nissan 370Z and Infiniti G sedans. And, judging from the illustration, our source suggests it is an inline-4 with a turbocharger or supercharger; this is of particular significance, because before Nissan canned plans for a Silvia successor in the wake of the Great Recession a few years ago, it was to be built with either a turbocharged or supercharged inline-4. Coincidence? We don't think so.

The engine appears smaller than 2.0 liters in displacement, and may be sharing some components with the current Nissan Juke's 1.6-liter turbo inline-4, which is codenamed MR16DDT. If Nissan were to produce this engine, the new Silvia would be armed with about 200 bhp and 217 lb.-ft. of torque, making it quick off the line and likely able to beat the FR-S/BRZ from 0-60. Another possibility is a new engine based on Mercedes-Benz's 1.8 liter that currently powers the C180. As unlikely as it might once have been, Nissan and MB have formed an engine and platform-sharing partnership, so this is certainly a viable option. However, if dropped into the Silvia, our source tells us that since the turbo 1.8-liter engine only makes 156 bhp and 184 lb.-ft., peaking from 1600 to 4200 rpm—which would make the car a step behind its Scion and Subaru rivals—we can expect it to be tuned by Nissan to put out at least 200 bhp.

We also were able to snag a top secret rendering of what the car should look like. The styling is hot, with an organic Japanese fusion of geometric shapes, surprising but attractive angles, and flowing curves that make it appear as if it will "cut" through the wind very efficiently.

If these early, basic fundamentals are what they appear to be, then in the affordable, fun-to-drive, front-engine/rear-drive sports coupe arena, Nissan will indeed have a proper counterpunch to the FR-S/BRZ.
http://www.gtchannel.com/blog/new-240sx

Snoopyalien24 11-23-2012 06:51 PM

Not bad... another member and I always said that they were going to use the Juke engine.

Let the wars begin! Bring back the mid 90s competition!

Mazda you're next!

Honda, screw you and your civic, bring back the Teggy and S2k!

P.S. that render is ugly imo

Bring to the plate lightweight, RWD, cheap with estimated power outputs.

Texas BRZ 11-23-2012 07:33 PM

If it's going to be anywhere close to the driving experience and resemblance to their 370Z or G37, I don't think I'll want to consider it.

If it happens, I hope it truly does put out a great fight with the BRZ / FR-S... Nissan is going to really have to understand what the enthusiast desires, even though the vast majority of buyers give priority to options and comfort rather than the purity of the driving experience.

We'll see what plays out, and I hope the competition is a reality...

zenki_levin 11-23-2012 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24 (Post 571984)
P.S. that render is ugly imo

Yea man, that is truly awful. :barf:

SubarooMike 11-23-2012 08:27 PM

WTF is this?! It looks like a damn cross over. http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/u...0/28972052.jpg

RaceR 11-23-2012 08:35 PM

Nissan needs to make a rival to the twins. Not the Genesis. That car kinda looks fat and heavy. Im afraid it is.

Otherwise, Nissan bring it on! ... but first, fire the people who designed that front end!

Burrcold 11-23-2012 08:36 PM

I highly doubt this is going to happen, but I'll be happy if it does! As others have said, I would love the return of the cheap RWD wars!

fatoni 11-23-2012 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24 (Post 571984)
Not bad... another member and I always said that they were going to use the Juke engine.

Let the wars begin! Bring back the mid 90s competition!

Mazda you're next!

Honda, screw you and your civic, bring back the Teggy and S2k!

P.S. that render is ugly imo

Bring to the plate lightweight, RWD, cheap with estimated power outputs.

mazda never left. :thumbsup:

_F-R-S_ 11-23-2012 08:45 PM

Im still saving for the supra

serialk11r 11-23-2012 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RaceR (Post 572088)
Nissan needs to make a rival to the twins. Not the Genesis. That car kinda looks fat and heavy. Im afraid it is.

Otherwise, Nissan bring it on! ... but first, fire the people who designed that front end!

I think it's just the problematic Maxima styling, it looks about the same size as the FRS to me.

I don't understand why designers are trying to get so fancy these days with chrome shit and giant weird shape grilles. Keep it simple, just a normal rectangular opening at the bottom, and nothing more. What's the sudden craze with the ginormous badges and enormous gaping holes?

Burrcold 11-23-2012 08:57 PM

It's so stupid that they would even try to incorporate their "corporate grille". The car won't be a high volume seller, like the 86/FRS/BRZ, so why bother trying to make it look exactly like every other model? Stupid.

RaceR 11-23-2012 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by serialk11r (Post 572109)
I think it's just the problematic Maxima styling, it looks about the same size as the FRS to me.

I don't understand why designers are trying to get so fancy these days with chrome shit and giant weird shape grilles. Keep it simple, just a normal rectangular opening at the bottom, and nothing more. What's the sudden craze with the ginormous badges and enormous gaping holes?

I would not mind if it was a little bit larger (for more rear seats space). Just afraid they add way too much weight.

+1 on the design thoughts.

Snoopyalien24 11-24-2012 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 572095)
mazda never left. :thumbsup:

They have forgotten the whole "keep it cheap" mentality

For $27k you had to get a convertible, 2 seater, with a small trunk
Vs. the now-new FRS/BRZ for around the same and a Hard roof, proper trunk (not gonna mention a sorta 4 seater) but 2 seats and storage. Plus 200hp and a very happy aftermarket

Also, I miss their Rx-7 niche

But after most real JDM cheap sports cars 'left' the MX5 has been there, but just there

fatoni 11-24-2012 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24 (Post 572673)
They have forgotten the whole "keep it cheap" mentality

For $27k you had to get a convertible, 2 seater, with a small trunk
Vs. the now-new FRS/BRZ for around the same and a Hard roof, proper trunk (not gonna mention a sorta 4 seater) but 2 seats and storage. Plus 200hp and a very happy aftermarket

Also, I miss their Rx-7 niche

But after most real JDM cheap sports cars 'left' the MX5 has been there, but just there

you can get a miata for like 23k. also, typically two seater convertibles are more expensive than the 4 seater coupes and the aftermarket for the frs is abolutely dismal compared to that of the miata. imo, mazda is the only company that hasnt forgot about the cheap light rwd car. in over 20 years the miata has only gained a couple hundred pounds.

dem00n 11-24-2012 11:36 AM

Looks like a G35.

Snoopyalien24 11-24-2012 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 572692)
you can get a miata for like 23k. also, typically two seater convertibles are more expensive than the 4 seater coupes and the aftermarket for the frs is abolutely dismal compared to that of the miata. imo, mazda is the only company that hasnt forgot about the cheap light rwd car. in over 20 years the miata has only gained a couple hundred pounds.

You're right about Mazda keeping themselves light and in the market with the Miata, but I was comparing apples to apples

6speed vs 6speed versions of the car (Both new and 2013 models)

that which is this much

Plus for 300lbs more, you get a hard roof, trunk, more interior space, more power and torque.

What I want to conclude at is: Mazda has kept this 'great' formula for years. But what they NEED to do is innovate and make it better, now that Toyobaru is hurting them and Nissan wants a piece of the cake, like that fat kid in elementary

Snoopyalien24 11-24-2012 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 572692)
you can get a miata for like 23k. also, typically two seater convertibles are more expensive than the 4 seater coupes and the aftermarket for the frs is abolutely dismal compared to that of the miata. imo, mazda is the only company that hasnt forgot about the cheap light rwd car. in over 20 years the miata has only gained a couple hundred pounds.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hachivic (Post 572071)
Yea man, that is truly awful. :barf:

Quote:

Originally Posted by SubarooMike (Post 572082)
WTF is this?! It looks like a damn cross over. http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/u...0/28972052.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaceR (Post 572088)
Nissan needs to make a rival to the twins. Not the Genesis. That car kinda looks fat and heavy. Im afraid it is.

Otherwise, Nissan bring it on! ... but first, fire the people who designed that front end!

They should let Infiniti design it for them BUT making it ala S15 :D

245hp, 220(?)lb-ft (maybe have NA v6 options and FI I-4 options)
6 - speed manual
Wheelbase 99.4 in (2,525 mm)
Length 175 in (4,445 mm)
Width 66.7 in (1,694 mm)
Height 50.6 in (1,285 mm)
Curb weight 2650–2800 lb (1200–1270 kg)

Slap an S16 badge and call it a day

I will go for that no matter what (and I think they will make a killing in the market if they do that?

Wes 11-24-2012 12:55 PM

It gives me the image of the genesis.. don't likee

ngabdala 11-24-2012 01:02 PM

They will probably put a CVT in it :lol:

fatoni 11-24-2012 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24 (Post 572717)
You're right about Mazda keeping themselves light and in the market with the Miata, but I was comparing apples to apples

6speed vs 6speed versions of the car (Both new and 2013 models)

that which is this much

Plus for 300lbs more, you get a hard roof, trunk, more interior space, more power and torque.

What I want to conclude at is: Mazda has kept this 'great' formula for years. But what they NEED to do is innovate and make it better, now that Toyobaru is hurting them and Nissan wants a piece of the cake, like that fat kid in elementary

as far as sreet prices go even the six speed is cheaper. especially if you settle for a brand new 2012. for the miata, the 5 speed might even be better than the 6 so i wouldnt really consider that an upgrade. i think we also have to consider the penalty of a convertible is at least 100 lbs and almost 2 grand so i think if we want the closest apples to apples comparison it should be against the vert frs.

imo, innovation is almost the enemy of cars like this. the frs and cars like it are simple, quintessential sports cars. how do you make a miata better? its philosophy since day one has been one of lightness that whole car and driver as one. innovation has taken us away from that. sure things like the gtr and 918 are awesome but at what cost? i dont think we need to change a formula that has worked for just about the entire history of automobiles.

blur 11-24-2012 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 572792)
how do you make a miata better?

Ditch the hardtop convertible for a ragtop.

I think the new one is on the right track though.

fatoni 11-24-2012 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blur (Post 572818)
Ditch the hardtop convertible for a ragtop.

I think the new one is on the right track though.

you know they still offer the ragtop right?

blur 11-24-2012 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 572824)
you know they still offer the ragtop right?

Oh wow I didnt even realize.

Dimman 11-24-2012 04:16 PM

Squished FX45?

fatoni 11-24-2012 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimman (Post 572985)
Squished FX45?

why not? they did that to a beetle and then BOOM...911.

gmookher 11-24-2012 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ngabdala (Post 572789)
They will probably put a CVT in it :lol:

Then I take my money elsewhere, despite being a former Nissan employee...must have a decent 6spd, or no dice

bestwheelbase 11-24-2012 11:25 PM

New 240 would be cool. Something to match the old one we've got.

ngabdala 11-25-2012 12:01 AM

Lol yeah. A CVT would never happen or else :paddle:

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmookher (Post 573408)
Then I take my money elsewhere, despite being a former Nissan employee...must have a decent 6spd, or no dice


itisthumper 11-25-2012 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24 (Post 571984)
Not bad... another member and I always said that they were going to use the Juke engine.

Let the wars begin! Bring back the mid 90s competition!

Mazda you're next!

Honda, screw you and your civic, bring back the Teggy and S2k!

P.S. that render is ugly imo

Bring to the plate lightweight, RWD, cheap with estimated power outputs.

Swapped civic > teggy


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