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FRS Justin 07-17-2014 04:36 AM

Just float it like a bike room room as you let the clutch out......NEVER try to hold a steady rpm it doesn't work.......

Stealthy 07-17-2014 11:36 AM

This is the second manual car I've owned (first I've daily driven) and it really is tricky to get used to the start. In my four weeks of having the car it really is just muscle memory.

The main problem I first experienced was overthinking everything when starting. This includes looking at the rear view and getting intimidated, watching the revs too much, etc. Imo it gets easier when you just feel the car out and just not think too much of what to do.

A cue concept you can use to learn to is a unicycle, when one leg goes up (clutch) the other goes down (throttle).

litemup 07-17-2014 09:07 PM

Is anyone here not able to fully engage the clutch by rolling back on their heels?

litemup 07-17-2014 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FRS Justin (Post 1850859)
Just float it like a bike room room...

Your bike sounds cool.

jonboy99 07-17-2014 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by litemup (Post 1852413)
Is anyone here not able to fully engage the clutch by rolling back on their heels?

Not me. Very few people use the clutch while keeping their heel on the floor.

litemup 07-17-2014 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jonboy99 (Post 1852451)
Very few people use the clutch while keeping their heel on the floor.

Now, let's not be hasty and skew the answers. I'd like to hear a few peoples' unbiased replies.

Ubersuber 07-17-2014 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by litemup (Post 1852413)
Is anyone here not able to fully engage the clutch by rolling back on their heels?

Able to but don't.

One definitely uses ankle rotation to engage the clutch smoothly but the heel is off the floor.

jonboy99 07-17-2014 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by litemup (Post 1852464)
Now, let's not be hasty and skew the answers. I'd like to hear a few peoples' unbiased replies.

Too late - they'll all be biased now. I'd delete my answer but it would ruin the science.

litemup 07-17-2014 10:28 PM

crap

paulca 07-18-2014 02:46 AM

I sort of thought I knew what I did, but I'm not so sure anymore. It does stuff.

I know my heel is resting on the floor with the ball of my foot on the clutch (rather than using the dead pedal, but lets not go there again). When I push the clutch down however I think my heel lifts to allow for the long throw of the pedal, but then touches back down for the actual biting point as a reference/ankle pivot.

To be honest I'll need to take a video to see what exactly I do.

I remember asking my driving instructor this question and he didn't even know what he did and had to think about it.

Phantobe 07-18-2014 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by paulca (Post 1852824)
I sort of thought I knew what I did, but I'm not so sure anymore. It does stuff.

I know my heel is resting on the floor with the ball of my foot on the clutch (rather than using the dead pedal, but lets not go there again). When I push the clutch down however I think my heel lifts to allow for the long throw of the pedal, but then touches back down for the actual biting point as a reference/ankle pivot.

To be honest I'll need to take a video to see what exactly I do.

I remember asking my driving instructor this question and he didn't even know what he did and had to think about it.

There's a while nother thread about this lol. I had the same question too when I first started out.

I only leave my heel on the floor if I'm hovering over the clutch pedal. Other than that, heel off the floor.

FRS Justin 07-18-2014 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by litemup (Post 1852427)
Your bike sounds cool.

:party0030: Thanks lol!!!!

Natheria 07-18-2014 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by litemup (Post 1852413)
Is anyone here not able to fully engage the clutch by rolling back on their heels?

I adjusted the clutch so that i just slightly raise my heel on full clutch depress. It's a good medium for me even with the silly non linear clutch pressure.

The thing that still bugs me is that clutch reengagment and throttle sensitivity when cold is so jerky. I can understand if going into gear feels different but i cant understand why 1st and 2nd gear clutch is so dang hard to smooth out. Everyone mentions 2nd gear issues but I've never had any kind of actual shifting issues, just the clutch.

rs999 07-18-2014 08:10 AM

No stalls this morning. However, I learned a few tips from this morning's commute in:

1. Let the clutch out halfway before friction point before getting on the gas. My over-revving and lack of smoothness was caused by trying to balance gas and clutch from the bottom of the clutch

2. Turn on gear indicator in the MFD. It really helps since you can do a quick glance down to the MFD to check your gear before taking your next shift

I'm sure after a while I won't need the MFD gear indicator and I will be able to know by feel. But doing both of these things allowed me to be fast and somewhat smoother this morning.


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