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Dzmitry 05-24-2022 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2 (Post 3524891)
The new gen is pretty stout as it is. Provided it doesn't morph into a yugo when the Temps climb like the first Gen did it might not need tuning. I've read that the new vette ecu was recently cracked but they couldn't find any gains naturally aspirated.
Agreed, but the Vette isn't as focused on getting decent mpg and emissions ratings as the twins are likely. So I'm sure there will still be a little bit to squeeze out (just maybe not as much). If you're talking in pure stock form, there might not be much other than reducing the small dip there is in torque now. But changing out exhaust parts that hold a catalytic converter and tuning up for it are guaranteed to give you a little power.

OkieSnuffBox 05-24-2022 11:05 AM
I'm not concerned about a 91/93 tune that might make 5whp more. I want an E85+header tune (flex fuel kit) and hold out hope that Edelbrock will make a CARB legal supercharger kit for the 2nd gen.

I also got an email back from OFT. They said they are working on their own 2022 BRZ and it's currently their top priority, but also don't have a release date or any idea when that might be.

_____That_-_GUY_____ 05-24-2022 11:11 AM
I'm not as much concerned about big HP gains from a tune, more like getting rid of rev hang, improving engine breaking, maybe flat foot shifting. Junk like that.

Yoshoobaroo 05-24-2022 12:12 PM
I don’t think the rev hang is bad once you’re in the higher rev range. Once im over 4.5k it’s responsive enough for downshifting and heel/toe. It’s not like the ZC6 where the whole rev range was pretty bad.

mav1178 05-24-2022 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3521928)
And the Ram truck forum is screaming "FUCKING RICERS".
There is simply no way to blame one certain group.
It is the sum total of everybody that felt "For off road use ONLY" did not apply to them or was just a industry inside joke. This includes the coal rollers, pop and bang tune posers, sports car crowd, muscle heads, and so on and so on. Not one or two sub groups.
The only group I can think of that would be exempt would be the "Let get the highest mileage possible through mods" Prius forum (yes that is a thing).

And just so that anybody thinks this is a new issue they were talking about this back in the late 70s when the emissions control stuff first appeared. The only difference was that all the tunes and mods were mechanical and not electronic back then so it was almost impossible for them to get evidence to enforce.
I am very late on this thread but to add to TCoat's comment, another push to crack down on this actually came as the result of the VW emissions cheating scandal.

The fact that a stock, well disguised ECU tune can circumvent *all* emissions testing out on the market was such a slap in the face that there was no other alternative but to start heavily enforcing existing guidelines and chase after those that use a similar route.

We can blame the government all we want but auto makers themselves also made the landscape not friendly for enthusiasts as a whole.

Tcoat 05-24-2022 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 3525162)
I am very late on this thread but to add to TCoat's comment, another push to crack down on this actually came as the result of the VW emissions cheating scandal.

The fact that a stock, well disguised ECU tune can circumvent *all* emissions testing out on the market was such a slap in the face that there was no other alternative but to start heavily enforcing existing guidelines and chase after those that use a similar route.

We can blame the government all we want but auto makers themselves also made the landscape not friendly for enthusiasts as a whole.
Yep the makers have played a part.
The auto makers will also start campaigning against the nasty, evil, ICE engines (even their own) as the clock ticks closer to the 2035 "all" EV mandate that they have agreed with. We are already seeing the beginnings of this.

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/lE...ev-lineup.webp

“This investment will help usher in more affordable electrified vehicles for U.S. consumers, significantly reduce carbon emissions, and importantly, create even more American jobs tied to the future of mobility.”

https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-...on-investment/

LRNAD90 05-24-2022 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox (Post 3525143)
I'm not concerned about a 91/93 tune that might make 5whp more. I want an E85+header tune (flex fuel kit) and hold out hope that Edelbrock will make a CARB legal supercharger kit for the 2nd gen.

I also got an email back from OFT. They said they are working on their own 2022 BRZ and it's currently their top priority, but also don't have a release date or any idea when that might be.
I reached out to Edelbrock over a month ago asking if they had any development plans and got zero response..

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3525167)
Yep the makers have played a part.
The auto makers will also start campaigning against the nasty, evil, ICE engines (even their own) as the clock ticks closer to the 2035 "all" EV mandate that they have agreed with. We are already seeing the beginnings of this.

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/lE...ev-lineup.webp

“This investment will help usher in more affordable electrified vehicles for U.S. consumers, significantly reduce carbon emissions, and importantly, create even more American jobs tied to the future of mobility.”

https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-...on-investment/
Sad Times..

OkieSnuffBox 05-24-2022 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by LRNAD90 (Post 3525227)
I reached out to Edelbrock over a month ago asking if they had any development plans and got zero response..
They can't work on developing a kit until they have a tuning solution.

ECUTek never bothered cracking the ND2 Miata ECU, so Edelbrock never developed a kit for the ND2, but they have one for the ND1.

Blighty 05-31-2022 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox (Post 3525233)
They can't work on developing a kit until they have a tuning solution.

ECUTek never bothered cracking the ND2 Miata ECU, so Edelbrock never developed a kit for the ND2, but they have one for the ND1.
HKS have a turbo and a ECU kit on their testbed racer.

They have a bolt on turbo and a supercharger releasing in june. Also mastery ECU, though its late.

Brz-123 05-31-2022 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox (Post 3525233)
They can't work on developing a kit until they have a tuning solution.



ECUTek never bothered cracking the ND2 Miata ECU, so Edelbrock never developed a kit for the ND2, but they have one for the ND1.
Quite a possibility. I spoke to them over the phone. They are UK HQd and we don't have GR86s landing before August 2022, so nothing can be done till then anyway and they mentioned they have a big backlog and this is not sure yet, if it will be a priority but they couldn't confirm either way.
My gut feel is similar that they won't invest time in it as the EU / UK volumes will be so low that it won't really sell except may be in the US. EU production can only happen till June 2024, so we expect about 1500 cars to land UK way in these 2+ yrs..

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mike2100 06-01-2022 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Blighty (Post 3526531)
HKS have a turbo and a ECU kit on their testbed racer.

They have a bolt on turbo and a supercharger releasing in june. Also mastery ECU, though its late.
Where can we go to keep up with development on this stuff? HKS USA website still says their supercharger will be released in Feb 2022. Obviously we're passed that.

Blighty 06-01-2022 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mike2100 (Post 3526767)
Where can we go to keep up with development on this stuff? HKS USA website still says their supercharger will be released in Feb 2022. Obviously we're passed that.
HKS Japan GR866 parts
https://www.hks-power.co.jp/en/picku..._86/index.html

HKS GR86 Racecar dev blogs
https://www.hks-power.co.jp/en/event...ack/index.html

FrickingReallySlow 06-01-2022 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Blighty (Post 3526911)
nice, so piggy back ECU it is I guess... not "cheap" compared to OFT but still a solution. Open loop only looks like 700$ for the HW without tune. If you want closed loop ability as well its $1K.

https://www.hksusa.com/products/f-con-is/147


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