All the "track" model needs to have is the turbo's brakes, an uprated suspension and AirCon/Carpet/Radio/Power Window/Rear seat/Sound insulation delete (option for the cry babies :P). Front fixed bucket seat dealer option. All but front airbags delete would be nice too. Because you know the jackass feds would never let a car without that slide.

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I know few of em. They never raced w their car, but they have role cage.

Anyways, answer to the Toyota/Lexus role cage then yes, they have several Toyota place (in Yokohama JAPAN) that can install TRD role cage for your cars. iirc even Super GT uses TRD role cage in their IS's (example: Wedsport's IS250). BUT like you said, it's ridiculously expensive!!!!!!

I honestly dont' think we should talk alot about after market parts too much until we at least know what this car can do.

You know those individuals who put a bunch of name brand aftermarket parts on their cars, but end up "making it worst" than stock performance and lessen the longevity of their cars?

Well, there will be rapid aftermarket response for this car, guaranteed. This is what TRD is for. Aftermarket bits that the dealers can get in on the action with. For those not afraid of the threat of voiding an entire warranty over a set of coilovers for example, there are a whole lot of good companies that will make product for this car.

Secondly, it will need it. This is supposed to be an inexpensive, entry level sports car. This means a couple of things, compromise on cost of parts, and trading off some handling in the name of comfort (and wider market for increased sales). It WILL need improvement. Even the wonderfully stock handling Miata can be made MUCH better.

As for the brand-name whores, well what can you do? They likely fall into the 'E' category I put above. They don't care if the car is faster, only if it looks and sounds faster. You know the ones, the 'sponsor' collectors. They buy one part from every single aftermarket company so they can throw a bunch of stickers on the cars. No help for them. Let them pose.

However if someone is putting on a bunch of track caliber (real brands like Bilstein, Koni, EBC, Goodridge, etc... not Megan and K-Sport) parts and tries to track the car and has trouble with the setup, there is a good chance that they will have someone help them and learn some things.

On a side note, I kind of foresee this car garnering a bit of a 'chick-car' reputation like the Miata and Celica. Probably what Toyota is hoping for from a sales perspective too. 80:20 Show to Go ratio maybe?

You know i see some white girls drive the evo....

and they're pretty hot..:bellyroll:

Something about it seems arrousing.

Hot chicks in real performance cars is the most wonderful sight in the world!

I almost got in an accident about 3 weeks ago because I saw this super clean all black AE86 driving up the opposite way from me. Checking out the car, then saw the driver was a gorgeous Asian girl. So I kept checking and came very close to rear-ending the car in front of me. Oops.

Fixed that for you :w00t:

Yes, much better. :respekt:

... why does everyone want a turbo and/or a lot if power in this car? I just want something flyweight and precise! gah!

Even if I am adding power, even forced induction, later, I want to be able to get performance suspension/brakes without a turbo (or worse, V6!) engine, or a loaded interior.

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Really. I want this to be a small, simple, performance oriented car. for all of you guys pining for more power and beefier transmission and sone luxury and this and that... these cars exist. go get a Mustang / Z / Genesis.

None of these are agile, sub 3000lb cars.

why are u so against turbos craig??? and how on earth will that comprimise any weight?? turbos weigh about 10kg (including the extra weight from the manifold weight difference) and the there is the IC with piping lets say another 10-20 kg MAX... oh no... all that to potentionaly double the power... how the fuck is that bad and how will that make the car anything but flyweight???

Hm... I agree with both point of views. Craig's view as simple lightweight fr car, enough hp to have fun and other view as have turbo option for tuned track ready high hp car can beat other heavyweight FR cars.

It doesn't have to be one option engine only. It could have (my estimation)

• NA engine: 185~200hp/165~187tq, 6sp, 2600~2750lbs
• Turbo (small turbo) engine w 220~245hp/180~192tq, 6sp, 2660~2810lbs.

That give both of em bout .07~.08hp per lbs to work with.

If they want lightweight, high rev, NA car that don't need to worry too much bout boost control & oil pressure and other etc and just have fun can go for NA, while if they want a lightweight, high rev, turbo car that can put bigger turbo and other after market stuff for track to make other car eat your dust while having fun can go for turbo.

I don't see any reason to have NA ONLY or TURBO ONLY. More option = more people buying this car = success

I have no problem having a turbo and NA version. The Silvia managed to pull it of excellently for generations (Silvia Q's and Silvia K's) only that the NA version really was not that much to shout about. Is that your preoccupation Craig?

I expect the NA version of the FT-86 to be awesome and the Turbo version to be as good, maybe even better (but slightly more expensive). I do not want nor expect the turbo version to be a supra "replacement" nor a Z06/gt-r/porsche killer, just a competent, more powerful version of a lightweight, agile sports car. An MR-2 turbo, or Silvia K's, or a cheap RX-7 Turbo if you will.

What's the issue, really? It's not as if they wont make the NA version in lieu of the Turbo.

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^^ Basically what ichitaka said.

Is part of your concern maybe that Toyota has a crappy history of NA performance when there are NA and Turbo trims levels?

With the Supra and MR2 in North America, the NA versions seemed like after-thoughts to sell a few more cars. Especially the North American MR2, with its 5SFE (Seriously, Toyota?). Plus there is almost no power-oriented aftermarket for the NA cars.

But I think a lot of the Turbo assumptions come from the fact that it's supposed to have a Subaru engine. Subaru + Performance = Turbo in most people's minds. (And personally for me Turbo = Performance, but I'm a Supra guy so that can't be helped.)

However the good news for you is that the GT5 car is NA. Polyphony Digital takes their relationship with the manufacturers pretty seriously, and if they made the car NA in the game, it's because they had a very good reason from Toyota to do so.

The closest current engine that could do the job is Subaru's EJ204 AVCS NA engine. I don't know anything about this engine beyond what is on Wikipedia, but 190 HP NA sounds about up your alley. 190 HP out of 2.0L means it's got to rev. Plus 190 Hp in 2700 lbs would be quite respectable and suitable to their price target, I think.

If there is no turbo engine, 190 HP would be my minimum acceptable number, if there's no way to cram in an EJ257, or hybrid EJ22G (turbo Legacy bottom/EJ20G heads).